DO NOT TOUCH IT!

[Magenta]

Literal in context of course. There is still parables, exegesis, metaphors and so on. Even the story of the mustard seed may not be taken taken literally. But I believe that Adam was created from dust, there were literal giants, the sea was parted, the sun did stay still, Jesus did do the miracles the bible describes, the three Jewish boys did survive the fire, Daniel was in a Lions den, there was literal hand writing on a wall, a donkey did speak, and so on. You get my point...

Of course much of it is literal, historical, and a true telling of the days of Jesus upon the earth. I would hope that any that think they know me even a little would understand that I accept that Sometimes with the little details, such as the dust of the earth, I think to myself, that is the elements of the earth, the smallest particles known at the time would not have been atoms or molecules after all, the Bible is not a science book. I do not think there is any harm in thinking such things, it is not like I am promoting evolution to think "elements of the earth" instead of thinking literal dust.

 

[Zmouth]

Does the Word come from the Light or does the Light come from the Word?

 

[thepsalmist]

IF the Tree of Life was a type or foreshadowing of Jesus Christ, or even Christ Himself, what could the tree of knowledge of good and evil have been a type or foreshadowing of? Self awareness? It seems the birth of the ego is in there somewhere, separation of self from Source, surely with pride so prominently involved... just wondering here, nothing serious expected, please don't attack me for thinking outside of the box like what happened in another similar thread.

I think it has a lot to do with covetry of God's throne ... that was the devils sin ... and it might just be THE lesson for all humanity ... the whole reason for all THIS. God is ruler ... not to be disputed ..."Man was never made to rule over himself".

 

[JosephsDreams]

I think it has a lot to do with covetry of God's throne ... that was the devils sin ... and it might just be THE lesson for all humanity ... the whole reason for all THIS. God is ruler ... not to be disputed ..."Man was never made to rule over himself".

Thats for sure

 

[Magenta]

I don't know. Maybe it was a knowledge of the history of the war with the fallen angels and satans rebellion? Some say the knowledge of the bible handed down to Moses was given to him from human history up until that time as recorded by Adam.

But that knowledge is not something that was passed down to all of us through the sin of Adam... whereas most people do end up with ego, the fallen nature of man through pride, separation from God requiring the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf to restore us, reconcile us to God, and save us from the sin nature. I say most because some who are not genetically the same as the rest of us seem to be somewhat exempt. I am talking about genetic malfunctions that are prevalent in cases of severe intellectual and adaptive functioning. I don't know what the PC term for it is any more... and maybe they need Jesus as much as we do. Please excuse my ignorance of some of these syndromes and how they affect anyone on a spiritual level.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Adam and eve were innately, probably two of the smartest people that ever lived. I also think they were physically way beyond what we might think possible in today's standards.

 

[Magenta]

I think it has a lot to do with covetry of God's throne ... that was the devils sin ... and it might just be THE lesson for all humanity ... the whole reason for all THIS. God is ruler ... not to be disputed ..."Man was never made to rule over himself".

Yes, that makes sense, that is the function of ego/pride, exalting one's self over another, and why Jesus tells us to think of others as ourselves, and Paul says Rather, in humility value others above yourselves. I have seen you use this word covetry before, is it as covetousness? The act of coveting?

 

[thepsalmist]

Yes, that makes sense, that is the function of ego/pride, exalting one's self over another, and why Jesus tells us to think of others as ourselves, and Paul says Rather, in humility value others above yourselves. I have seen you use this word covetry before, is it as covetousness? The act of coveting?

I see ... that's why spell-check keeps rejecting it ... yes I mean covetousness~

We all covet God's throne until we submit to God in Christ by trying to rule over ourselves.

 

[JosephsDreams]

But that knowledge is not something that was passed down to all of us through the sin of Adam... whereas most people do end up with ego, the fallen nature of man through pride, separation from God requiring the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf to restore us, reconcile us to God, and save us from the sin nature. I say most because some who are not genetically the same as the rest of us seem to be somewhat exempt. I am talking about genetic malfunctions that are prevalent in cases of severe intellectual and adaptive functioning. I don't know what the PC term for it is any more... and maybe they need Jesus as much as we do. Please excuse my ignorance of some of these syndromes and how they affect anyone on a spiritual level.

I have a lot of questions for Adam and Eve when I get to heaven. If I will even care about that sort of thing when I am there, that is.

 

[thepsalmist]

I have a lot of questions for Adam and Eve when I get to heaven. If I will even care about that sort of thing when I am there, that is.

Do we know that they will be in Heaven?

 

[JosephsDreams]

Does the Word come from the Light or does the Light come from the Word?

God said let there be light. So God spoke light into existence, but then again, God is light...

 

[Magenta]

Does the Word come from the Light or does the Light come from the Word?

Jesus is the living Word of God, and the Light of this world

 

[JosephsDreams]

Do we know that they will be in Heaven?

Well, for the sake of my curiosity, I hope so.
But, I think they will be there just because that outside of the one monumental sin, they are not mentioned in a negative way in the bible. They obeyed God and were fruitful, and the line of Jesus goes back to Adam, which to me has significance.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I think the more pertinent question (for me) is how secure are we in our salvation? I sometimes think I am not always so sure I am going there. Other times I think yes, absolutely.

 

[thepsalmist]

Well, for the sake of my curiosity, I hope so.
But, I think they will be there just because that outside of the one monumental sin, they are not mentioned in a negative way in the bible. They obeyed God and were fruitful, and the line of Jesus goes back to Adam, which to me has significance.

For your curiosity sake I hope so too. But we both know salvation has naught to do with obedience ... and I would have to study long and hard considering everyone in the geneaology of Christ to fathom a guess whether everyone in His line is saved.

 

[thepsalmist]

I think the more pertinent question (for me) is how secure are we in our salvation? I sometimes think I am not always so sure I am going there. Other times I think yes, absolutely.

Well then there is no lack of resources concerning that topic on this board ... hundreds of pages recurring daily ...

 

[JosephsDreams]

It makes for some conversation, but who really can say. So are people who lived before Jesus time judged the same way as people who lived after Him? Did Adam and Eve in their long lives come to know about something of Jesus through prayer?
Was it obedience or grace for them? Or both?

 

[JosephsDreams]

Well then there is no lack of resources concerning that topic on this board ... hundreds of pages recurring daily ...

I have read so much on it over the years. It comes down to where I just do my best and trust God in His love, mercy, grace, understanding and wisdom.

 

[thepsalmist]

It makes for some conversation, but who really can say. So are people who lived before Jesus time judged the same way as people who lived after Him? Did Adam and Eve in their long lives come to know about something of Jesus through prayer?
Was it obedience or grace for them? Or both?

There are scriptures that say that Jesus revealed himself to those in the grave ... and some did believe on God's promise of a messiah before Jesus walked the earth 2000 years ago.

 

[Tintin]

It's an argument from silence to suggest that Adam and Eve weren't saved. After all, they did raise their son, Seth in a godly manner and he raised his children in a godly manner etc. But I guess it's an argument from almost silence to suggest that they were saved. Hmm...