The Holy spirit isn't in the bible.

[MsSuzanna]

Trinitarians name 3 gods, then deny that they named 3 gods. God the son, God the Father , God the holy Spirit. everyone knows trinity makes zero sense , even trinitarians. Only difference is trinitarians are very reluctant to admit what everyone else knows. That trinity is nonsense.

Why didnt you say you are a jehovah witness?

 

[angel2u2]

Why didnt you say you are a jehovah witness?

hmmmmm, I don't think Jw's would let me put one foot in their kingdom hall. Ah but neither would any other church.

 

[angel2u2]

ok sweetie

don't tell me what I believe and I will return the favor

I don't pray to three gods

you don't even attempt an actual conversation, do you?

well, hay, I knew that at the get go

speaking of getting going...I shall

Oops, guess I accidentally hit another nerve.

 

[Tintin]

hmmmmm, I don't think Jw's would let me put one foot in their kingdom hall. Ah but neither would any other church.

That's because the Christian Church (not JWs) is a place for the teaching of God's truth.

 

[MsSuzanna]

hmmmmm, I don't think Jw's would let me put one foot in their kingdom hall. Ah but neither would any other church.

So you have a divine revelation huh? You dont believe in the trinity? Hmm, are you sure you are saved?

 

[angel2u2]

So you have a divine revelation huh? You dont believe in the trinity? Hmm, are you sure you are saved?

some, yep , yep

 

[angel2u2]

That's because the Christian Church (not JWs) is a place for the teaching of God's truth.

nope, it's cause I can't stop dancing, and cause sometimes i can't speak in english but only in german or french, and cause I prostrate myself before the Lord, shout for joy, have visions, and dreams from God, have angel friends etc.

 

[wisebeardman]

oh great, trying to turn this forum into BDF channel 2 eh?

 

[MsSuzanna]

some, yep , yep

Is Jesus God?

 

[roaringkitten]

the holy of spirit is in the bible but not the holy spirit. spirit is genitive when it says holy spirit or the holy spirit, and it's always translated into english in the nominative case. what the bible really says is 'the holy of spirit". Amazing that no one knows this./

What is the point of your thread?

 

[angel2u2]

Is Jesus God?

Jesus is the son of god. God created new human male seed that he used to fertilize Mary's egg with thus making Jesus the literal son of God and Mary. So, no Jesus isn't his own daddy. Jesus daddy is God, not Jesus, and there is only one God, God the Father.

 

[MsSuzanna]

Jesus is the son of god. God created new human male seed that he used to fertilize Mary's egg with thus making Jesus the literal son of God and Mary. So, no Jesus isn't his own daddy. Jesus daddy is God, not Jesus, and there is only one God, God the Father.

Wrong. Read John 8:24
Jesus said the same thing God said" I AM." Read John 1:1

 

[angel2u2]

What is the point of your thread?

to show that the bible either never said 'the holy spirit, or that it said it next to never. Thus far, i've discovered that the bible says 'the holy spirit" next to never. Assuming that a genitive the and genitive holy, and a genitive noun spirit counts. the significance of this is that ('i've only found one instance of 'the holy spirit ' in the bible.) the one instance of 'the holy spirit' in the bible lends heavy weight to it being a personification. If there were bunches of scripture saying 'the holy spirit", then the likely hood of it being a personification would be greatly reduced.

So either choose that the one use of 'the holy spirit' is a personification, something that makes sense.

or

decide that the one use of 'the holy spirit' indicates 3 gods that are one god but you only call them god when you aren't adding them up if you add the 3 gods up you call them persons, which of course makes zero sense.

 

[Daniel_I]

I suppose you are correct, however matthew 28.19 isn't scripture, and I think it's the only one that says that, or perhaps one of the very few. I did a feeble search and found no instances of a genitive holy spirit having a definite article in front of it.

So, I'm looking this up and here's what I see in both the "Textus Receptus" AND "Morphological GNT":

καί (kai - meaning "and") τοῦ (ho - from the root ὁ)ἁγίου(hagios - from the root ἅγιος meaning "of the holy") πνεύματος (pneuma - from the root πνεῦμα meaning "ghost")

So, it reads: "and of the holy ghost".

I suppose you are correct, however matthew 28.19 isn't scripture, and I think it's the only one that says that, or perhaps one of the very few. I did a feeble search and found no instances of a genitive holy spirit having a definite article in front of it.

So you admit that the text renders "and of the Holy Ghost" but you maintain that there's no instances of "the Holy Spirit." How does your admission here fit into your overall assertions? What are you trying to say in light of what you just accepted?

 

[MsSuzanna]

Jesus was fully man fully God. You do not understand the trinity and that is why you dont get it

 

[angel2u2]

Wrong. Read John 8:24
Jesus said the same thing God said" I AM." Read John 1:1

I say I am all the time, doesn't mean I am god. in john 8 Jesus said I am around 4 times, but all of them are translated as 'I am he' except for john 8.58. In john 8.58 Jesus was saying I am he, the christ.

I do not believe that God's words changed into a 2 cell fetus. I believe the word of god became flesh in a figurative sense, because Jesus is the fulfillment of the word of God.


Jeremiah 31:22 - How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.


the new thing God created was new human male seed. the woman in this verse is Mary, and compass a man means Mary went around a man to conceive.

Thus Jesus is the firstborn of this new creation. It's what "the firstborn of all creation" means.

 

[angel2u2]

Jesus was fully man fully God. You do not understand the trinity and that is why you dont get it

No one understands trinity, It is not understandable. One can only believe it or not believe it, but no one can understand it because it is a contradiction, and contradictions are not understandable. 3 is one is a contradiction.

 

[MsSuzanna]

No one understands trinity, It is not understandable. One can only believe it or not believe it, but no one can understand it because it is a contradiction, and contradictions are not understandable. 3 is one is a contradiction.

I understand it. The Holy Spirit taught me. It makes sense to me.

 

[Daniel_I]

Angel2u2 I'm still waiting on an answer, kind sir.

 

[MsSuzanna]

I say I am all the time, doesn't mean I am god. in john 8 Jesus said I am around 4 times, but all of them are translated as 'I am he' except for john 8.58. In john 8.58 Jesus was saying I am he, the christ.

I do not believe that God's words changed into a 2 cell fetus. I believe the word of god became flesh in a figurative sense, because Jesus is the fulfillment of the word of God.


Jeremiah 31:22 - How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.


the new thing God created was new human male seed. the woman in this verse is Mary, and compass a man means Mary went around a man to conceive.

Thus Jesus is the firstborn of this new creation. It's what "the firstborn of all creation" means.

Jesus was with YHWH from the beginning. That is why I gave you john 1:1. That also coincides with John 8:24.
God didnt make "special sperm" to create Jesus you foolish man! Mary immaculately conceived. Do you know what that means? Jesus is GOD. You cannot be reborn again without believing this! Jesus walked the earth fully man fully God.