VVhat is the Significance of Jesus' Divinity?

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Today I've been chatting vvith an individual that doesn't believe in the Trinity (in the Trinitarian sense). He believes in Father God, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. He doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity. He does believe in Jesus' sacrifice and that His sacrifice is sufficient for salvation, for those that vvould believe and repent of their sins.

The question is, vvhat is the significance of Jesus being divine? VVhat is the significance of Jesus being God, instead of not being God? If Jesus isn't God, and He isn't divine, does that change anything? If He is, then vvhat repercussions are there for those that don't believe He is, but proclaim belief in Him as Savior (believing He died for them and resurrected, lived a sinless life by the povver of the Holy Spirit, etc)?

I suppose the question that arises is, is belief in Jesus as God a necessity for salvation? Can one be a born-again Christian vvithout the belief that Jesus is God?

See Hebrews 1.
Jesus is God.
Christians know this and tares dispute it
 
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thats an assumption bases on your own opinion.
Its a fact based upon scripture.

I already went over this with you in another thread, complete with scriptural examples.

Did you not learn anything?
 
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jaybird88

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Its a fact based upon scripture.

I already went over this with you in another thread, complete with scriptural examples.

Did you not learn anything?
yes i did learn something last time. i learned that if one tried hard enough they could cut bits and pieces of random scripture out of context from one end of the bible to another, then arrange them in a way to support whatever doctrine they wanted.
 
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yes i did learn something last time. i learned that if one tried hard enough they could cut bits and pieces of random scripture out of context from one end of the bible to another, then arrange them in a way to support whatever doctrine they wanted.
Show us one specific scriptural example of this...
 
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Show us one specific scriptural example of this...
already pointed out this same thing last time we had this exact same conversation on same subject. i was the one asking you to show scripture to support your belief. you never did. Jesus gives several teachings on salvation and i dont remember any of them saying trinity acceptance is required for salvation.
 
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already pointed out this same thing last time we had this exact same conversation on same subject. i was the one asking you to show scripture to support your belief. you never did. Jesus gives several teachings on salvation and i dont remember any of them saying trinity acceptance is required for salvation.
I always show scripture.

I cannot recall you ever posting any scripture.....you just mope along, page after page, thread, after thread....never lifting a finger to post any scripture....right?
 
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I always show scripture.

I cannot recall you ever posting any scripture.....you just mope along, page after page, thread, after thread....never lifting a finger to post any scripture....right?
what exactly would i need scripture for. im not the one telling people they will never receive salvation if they dont accept this or that.
 
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EVERYTHING....ponder this.....the highest Spirit in God's kingdom had to disrobe, take flesh, suffer and choose........the divinity of Christ is central to God reconciling the world unto himself.....to deny it is to reject Jesus as Yeshua, Messiah, Savior, God, Son of God........!
 
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what exactly would i need scripture for. im not the one telling people they will never receive salvation if they dont accept this or that.
You're just the one denying The Trinity.

No scripture denies The Trinity.
 
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You're just the one denying The Trinity.

No scripture denies The Trinity.
well just smack me down and holy smokes. something I can agree with you Bowman. There is a God.
 
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You're just the one denying The Trinity.

No scripture denies The Trinity.
your making no sense at all. "no scripture denies the trinity" what does that even mean?

its not a trinity debate bowman. why do you always try and turn it in to one. you turn everything into a trinity debate.

if someone asked you what the 5th commandment meant, honer father and mother, you would answer them by saying it means believe in the trinity doctrine.
 
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Study up...

your making no sense at all. "no scripture denies the trinity" what does that even mean?

its not a trinity debate bowman. why do you always try and turn it in to one. you turn everything into a trinity debate.

if someone asked you what the 5th commandment meant, honer father and mother, you would answer them by saying it means believe in the trinity doctrine.

If you knew your scriptures, then you would already be aware that The Word of God (debar Yahweh) delivered the Ten Commandments.

The first commandment literally reads, as thus…

Let there be (singular verb) to you no others (plural adjective ‘acherim’) gods (plural noun ‘elohim’) before
my Presences (plural noun ‘panim’) (Exo 20.3; Deut 5.7)


So...yes, the Ten Commandments most assuredly speak of The Trinity.

 
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Re: Study up...

If you knew your scriptures, then you would already be aware that The Word of God (debar Yahweh) delivered the Ten Commandments.

The first commandment literally reads, as thus…

Let there be (singular verb) to you no others (plural adjective ‘acherim’) gods (plural noun ‘elohim’) before
my Presences(plural noun ‘panim’) (Exo 20.3; Deut 5.7)


So...yes, the Ten Commandments most assuredly speak of The Trinity.

Let "us" make man in "our" own Image.
 
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Re: Study up...

Let "us" make man in "our" own Image.
Agreed.


Gen 1.26 - 27

And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. And God created (bara)the man in His own image; in the image of God He created (bara)him. He created (bara)them male and female.


This Gen 1 passage informs the reader that our Creator God is plural, via the usage of ‘us’ and ‘our’…repeated three times.

Immediately after this declaration, the creative verb ‘bara’ is utilized three successive times when once should have sufficed. Another clear indicator of The Triune Creator.


 
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Re: Study up...

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

The verses I have posted following 1 John 5:7 are to prove that in the verse the Word is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Also in that verse we are told that those three things are ONE! Through out the whole bible we are being told that the Lord Jesus Christ is God. There are many more verses that clarify that in the old and new testament but there is not a verse that will tell you otherwise.
 
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Re: Study up...

If you knew your scriptures, then you would already be aware that The Word of God (debar Yahweh) delivered the Ten Commandments.

The first commandment literally reads, as thus…
Let there be (singular verb) to you no others (plural adjective ‘acherim’) gods (plural noun ‘elohim’) before
my Presences(plural noun ‘panim’) (Exo 20.3; Deut 5.7)
So...yes, the Ten Commandments most assuredly speak of The Trinity.

i thought plural meant more than one how does it mean 3 and only 3. maybe i need to study up more.

and what does this have to do with salvation only for only those that believe the trinity? seems like nothing but but since you cant make it work your trying to spin it into a trinity debate.
 
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Re: Study up...

i thought plural meant more than one how does it mean 3 and only 3. maybe i need to study up more.
Just think of all those years that you read that verse in English, instead of the original Hebrew, thinking that it was singular.




and what does this have to do with salvation only for only those that believe the trinity? seems like nothing but but since you cant make it work your trying to spin it into a trinity debate.
The very first Commandment emanates from a Uniplural Creator....what do you think will be the plan of Salvation?

From as sterile monad?

Remember....you abhor scripture...so anything that we put forth will be akin to casting pearls before swine...
 
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Just think of all those years that you read that verse in English, instead of the original Hebrew, thinking that it was singular.
not an answer but ok


The very first Commandment emanates from a Uniplural Creator....what do you think will be the plan of Salvation?
From as sterile monad?
Remember....you abhor scripture...so anything that we put forth will be akin to casting pearls before swine...
not everyone reads it that way and i am not allowed to debate the trinity with you here, its not allowed. i know a place where we can debate it, send me a pm and i will give you a link.