Do you know for certain you are saved and will spend eternity with God

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Are you certain you have come to salvation in Christ and will spend eternity with God


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Zmouth

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Salvation is Eternal.
So if eternal then it can not be given nor taken away because it always was and will always be.

And if it can not be given or obtained since it always was it couldn't be obtained by the grace of God through their faith if they were saved before they existed.

And how can anything which is eternal be taken away if it endures without end.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
(2Ti 1:12)

Now you have me singing that song..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nope. You have your own private gospel. All i'm saying is I'm not buying it. Most believers aren't buying it not matter how often you repeat it.
from what I see your the only one here spreading it..lol

I do not have a private gospel. I am saved by grace through faith in the work of god. period. I was saved not by works of righteousness which I have done, am doing, or will do but by Gods mercy..Thats what the word ays and I am sticking to it.

 
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For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
(2Ti 1:12)
If you truly do want to see Jesus Christ our Lord and God then you need to do as Jesus asked.

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
 

Vdp

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You are wrong Depleted, we DID know Jesus through out the whole Bible. In the O.T. the "I AM" is Jesus, is the Son of God. So yes we did know Him in the first half of the Bible.
 
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You are wrong Depleted, we DID know Jesus through out the whole Bible. In the O.T. the "I AM" is Jesus, is the Son of God. So yes we did know Him in the first half of the Bible.
That is one big assumption to believe that I Am was Jesus Christ our Lord and God. Jesus Christ was conceived by God in his Mother Mary. You have nothing but your opinion that says it was Jesus speaking to Moses. If it was Jesus then he could have been seen.
 

Vdp

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God the Son is the "I am" and God the Son IS Jesus.

Why are you teaching the "I Am" is not God? Jesus said when you see the Father you see me. Jesus is the Son of God and the "I Am" is also the Son of God.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Could it be because you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That is one big assumption to believe that I Am was Jesus Christ our Lord and God. Jesus Christ was conceived by God in his Mother Mary. You have nothing but your opinion that says it was Jesus speaking to Moses. If it was Jesus then he could have been seen.

Um, Jesus said he existed before Abraham lived.

How do you explain that unless Jesus was God..
 
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God the Son is the "I am" and God the Son IS Jesus.

Why are you teaching the "I Am" is not God? Jesus said when you see the Father you see me. Jesus is the Son of God and the "I Am" is also the Son of God.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Could it be because you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
I am not teaching anything. Jesus is God, but God did not become man until he was conceived by God, and was born of Mary.

You have nothing that says Jesus was before he became man. God is one. He did not become man also until Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

Do you have scripture that is not true? Is it not an assumption that it was Jesus who was not yet, talking to Moses?
 

wolfwint

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Hope this works, this will be the first poll ever created by me.
If it doesn't work I will delete it , so if you are seeing this then it must have worked. :)
That's unless I can't work out how to delete it.

An interesting point came up on another thread and I wondered how many on
CC have the assurance of salvation and eternal life which will be spent with God.

For those who are sure, what makes you sure.

For those who don't know, what would it take for you to be certain.

If you don't think it is possible to be certain then why not.

Hopefully we can all learn something and be an encouragement to each other.
The word of god gives me this assurance! Praise the Lord!
 

Angela53510

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I am not teaching anything. Jesus is God, but God did not become man until he was conceived by God, and was born of Mary.

You have nothing that says Jesus was before he became man. God is one. He did not become man also until Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

Do you have scripture that is not true? Is it not an assumption that it was Jesus who was not yet, talking to Moses?
I'll make this simple! Well, I need to use the Greek, but you can look it up anywhere.

In the New Testament, Jesus called himself "I am" in Greek. Eight times alone in the book of John.

the bread of life" (John 6:35,48,51)."I am the light of the world" (John 8:12).
"I am the door of the sheep"(John 10:7,9).
"I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11,14).
"I am the resurrection, and the life" (John 11:25).
"I am the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6).
"I am the true vine" (John 15:1,5).
This is VERY important! In Greek, there are two ways to say "I am." One is just to use the Present Indicative Active Verb, first person singular εἰμι (aemi). Greek does not usually use the pronoun "I" but does, especially in this case.

In the above passages, and elsewhere when Jesus speaks of himself, he uses both the pronoun and the verb ἐγώ εἰμι (ego aemi) which is "I, I am." So it uses the 1st person singular pronoun,
"ego."

So what is the big deal about this? Well, the Septuagint or LXX, is the Greek version of the Old Testament. The Old Testament was translated into Greek around 300 BC, because the Jews were losing their Hebrew language after being taken into captivity in 586 BC by the Babylonians, plus the successful push by Alexander the Great to Hellenize the world.

While there are small differences between the Masoretic Hebrew and the LXX sometimes, they both totally agree on this point. God, or YHWH in the Hebrew, was translated into Greek as
ἐγώ εἰμι, which is what Jesus said he was "I, I am."

So in the following passage, when Moses asked God about who he was to tell the Hebrew people who he was, God said:

"
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, I am has sent me to you.’” Exodus 3:14

So the Jews, 300 years before Jesus, translated YHWH as "I, I am" in Greek and used it as the sacred name of God. In fact, this name was considered sacred by the Hebrew Jews, and was not to be spoken by them. They began to call God, "Adoni" for fear of committing blasphemy by using the sacred name of God.

So, Jesus calls himself "I, I am" in front of the Pharisees, who were determined to keep every law with respect to respect God and to be saved. They were outraged! Especially because he did it over and over, along with making himself equal with God, and saying he was one with the Father. In fact, these were the turning points in which the Pharisees began to plot to kill Jesus.

Conclusion: Jesus called himself the same name in Greek in the New Testament, that was used of YHWH in the Old Testament. "I, I am!"

For further reading on this, click on this link:

http://www.icr.org/article/i-ams-christ/

(And yes, I have studied New Testament Greek in Seminary and just finished my first semester of Intermediate Greek, so I have read this for myself in the Greek, and in Hebrew in the OT because I have also studied and read Hebrew. Not to brag, of course but just to let you know his was not something I picked up on the Internet! )




 
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I'll make this simple! Well, I need to use the Greek, but you can look it up anywhere.

In the New Testament, Jesus called himself "I am" in Greek. Eight times alone in the book of John.



This is VERY important! In Greek, there are two ways to say "I am." One is just to use the Present Indicative Active Verb, first person singular εἰμι (aemi). Greek does not usually use the pronoun "I" but does, especially in this case.

In the above passages, and elsewhere when Jesus speaks of himself, he uses both the pronoun and the verb ἐγώ εἰμι (ego aemi) which is "I, I am." So it uses the 1st person singular pronoun,
"ego."

So what is the big deal about this? Well, the Septuagint or LXX, is the Greek version of the Old Testament. The Old Testament was translated into Greek around 300 BC, because the Jews were losing their Hebrew language after being taken into captivity in 586 BC by the Babylonians, plus the successful push by Alexander the Great to Hellenize the world.

While there are small differences between the Masoretic Hebrew and the LXX sometimes, they both totally agree on this point. God, or YHWH in the Hebrew, was translated into Greek as
ἐγώ εἰμι, which is what Jesus said he was "I, I am."

So in the following passage, when Moses asked God about who he was to tell the Hebrew people who he was, God said:

"
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, I am has sent me to you.’” Exodus 3:14

So the Jews, 300 years before Jesus, translated YHWH as "I, I am" in Greek and used it as the sacred name of God. In fact, this name was considered sacred by the Hebrew Jews, and was not to be spoken by them. They began to call God, "Adoni" for fear of committing blasphemy by using the sacred name of God.

So, Jesus calls himself "I, I am" in front of the Pharisees, who were determined to keep every law with respect to respect God and to be saved. They were outraged! Especially because he did it over and over, along with making himself equal with God, and saying he was one with the Father. In fact, these were the turning points in which the Pharisees began to plot to kill Jesus.

Conclusion: Jesus called himself the same name in Greek in the New Testament, that was used of YHWH in the Old Testament. "I, I am!"

For further reading on this, click on this link:

http://www.icr.org/article/i-ams-christ/

(And yes, I have studied New Testament Greek in Seminary and just finished my first semester of Intermediate Greek, so I have read this for myself in the Greek, and in Hebrew in the OT because I have also studied and read Hebrew. Not to brag, of course but just to let you know his was not something I picked up on the Internet! )




Everything was made through Jesus Christ our Lord and God, because he is God. But Jesus is God become man, and he was conceived by God in Mary his Mother. That is when Jesus Christ came into being. Jesus is also God, and God is called I Am. When Jesus said I Am he was telling us he is God. God is the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, now, but before Jesus it was the Father/I Am.

God did not conceive his Son in Heaven, did God? No God conceived Jesus the man here on earth to a woman. It was Jesus the man that gave us the Words his Father in heaven had him give us. If it was Jesus our Lord and God giving us those Words, then Jesus would not need be doing as his Father in heaven was telling him.
 
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Next to the loss of salvation crowd, the hyper-calvinists come in second for frustrating the Gospel.

My witness as a hyper-calvinist(and I used to be under this teaching but thank God he pulled me out of that garbage)," Jesus paid the price for some sins and it MAY be for you, so you may be the elect and it is my predestined obligation to tell you that Jesus Christ might have died for you.....if your one of the elect. But if not, forget it, he doesn't throw a life preserver to the non-elect."

Yeah, yeah I know that not one calvinist would witness like this........but its what is truly believed.
Wow! So you stink at being a loss-of-salvation person and a calvinist? That's all I got on this "let me take this any which way I feel at the moment without worrying if it fits into the flow of this thread" post.
 
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from what I see your the only one here spreading it..lol

I do not have a private gospel. I am saved by grace through faith in the work of god. period. I was saved not by works of righteousness which I have done, am doing, or will do but by Gods mercy..Thats what the word ays and I am sticking to it.

No you're saved because you merited it from your mighty faith even before knowing God. I really do get what you preach. I think you might be missing your own words though. You're the one who said it before. Flip flopping really doesn't make me forget you flipped before you flopped.

Again, Jedi mind tricks don't work for me, but I'm sure you'll keep trying as in maybe if you keep repeating I'll suddenly believe you.
 
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You are wrong Depleted, we DID know Jesus through out the whole Bible. In the O.T. the "I AM" is Jesus, is the Son of God. So yes we did know Him in the first half of the Bible.
Reread what I wrote before telling me when I'm wrong because THAT's what I said. Simply because no one said the Messiah's name would be Jesus, doesn't mean the Messiah wasn't in the OT.

Suggestion: read what was written before assuming "Oh goodie. I have a great argument for this tiny portion."
 
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Depleted

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That is one big assumption to believe that I Am was Jesus Christ our Lord and God. Jesus Christ was conceived by God in his Mother Mary. You have nothing but your opinion that says it was Jesus speaking to Moses. If it was Jesus then he could have been seen.
Not really that big an assumption since Jesus actually out-and-out said that. John 8:58.

You have less than your opinion since you don't understand Vdp was telling what the Bible says.

(Why is it everyone is set to argue so quickly they don't even give themselves time to think out what the other person said before they start? This seems to be the number 1 reason there is so much useless arguments on this board!)
 

Vdp

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"Actually the Bible speaks of nothing else but the right Way! Sure, it didn't name him for the first half of the book, but Way has a name in the second half. His name is Jesus. He is THE Way! It's all about him. It might help to stop taking the focus of the Bible to us. It's not about our beliefs. It's about The Way -- God!"

Here is what you said and i did reread it.

But it did name him Depleted. His name was "I AM".

Sorry to be nit picking but i see so many so called Christians trying to teach false Theology.

For all those who believe the Son of God, who today is Jesus, was not active in the O.T. i will tell you, go back and read the O.T. and see what God has to say before opening up your mouth and shoving your foot inside your mouth.
 

Angela53510

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Everything was made through Jesus Christ our Lord and God, because he is God. But Jesus is God become man, and he was conceived by God in Mary his Mother. That is when Jesus Christ came into being. Jesus is also God, and God is called I Am. When Jesus said I Am he was telling us he is God. God is the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, now, but before Jesus it was the Father/I Am.

God did not conceive his Son in Heaven, did God? No God conceived Jesus the man here on earth to a woman. It was Jesus the man that gave us the Words his Father in heaven had him give us. If it was Jesus our Lord and God giving us those Words, then Jesus would not need be doing as his Father in heaven was telling him.
Catholic, hey?

How many Scriptures do you need? Probably none, you will only believe what the priests say. Do me a favour and read the Bible, you may learn something.

Like the same name in Exodus 3 is the same name Jesus called himself in the New Testament. But then, this is all about Mary worship, isn't it? To put Mary in the top of the pile, you need to lose some if the Bible, don't you?
 
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Catholic, hey?

How many Scriptures do you need? Probably none, you will only believe what the priests say. Do me a favour and read the Bible, you may learn something.

Like the same name in Exodus 3 is the same name Jesus called himself in the New Testament. But then, this is all about Mary worship, isn't it? To put Mary in the top of the pile, you need to lose some if the Bible, don't you?
Angela, I am not sure this is Catholicism that Johnlove believes. He is believing that God the Father existed before Jesus which is not biblical. Jesus has always existed without beginning or ending. In fact he is seen in Daniel, Isaiah, and other places of the OT. The only time in human history that God had a beginning was when Jesus became a man otherwise God does not have a beginning, since he is the beginning and the end. So somewhere along the line Johnlove swallowed some unscriptural teaching that is confusing him about who Jesus is, hopefully he is not a closet Jehovah's Witness (JW). But thanks for at least encouraging him to read the Bible. God bless.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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I agree, somewhere along the way Johnlove has been deceived. :(