Is your church condemned?

[Johnlove]

I'm talking about and also Paul Is talking about progressive sanctification and I think you are talking about positional sanctification.

I am not talking about any sort of sanctification. Paul did not mention progressive or positional sanctification did Paul?

I am saying that one receives the Holy Spirit who gives him or her the instruction, direction, and the grace to follow what the Holy Spirit tells them. Then such people will become Spiritual Christians/Children of God. Paul did not say Children of God that was John’s description of a Spiritual Christian.

Paul explained it very well in the following scripture.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?”

 

[hornetguy]

And yet Paul still calls them "brothers"....

You're missing the boat, brother...

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I am not talking about any sort of sanctification. Paul did not mention progressive or positional sanctification did Paul?

I am saying that one receives the Holy Spirit who gives him or her the instruction, direction, and the grace to follow what the Holy Spirit tells them. Then such people will become Spiritual Christians/Children of God. Paul did not say Children of God that was John’s description of a Spiritual Christian.

Paul explained it very well in the following scripture.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?”

Hence Romans 12:1-2

 

[Johnlove]

And yet Paul still calls them "brothers"....

You're missing the boat, brother...

Yes it seems everyone has an opinion. Remember what Jesus said.
(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.”
Live his Word or you will be judged by it.

 

[fredoheaven]

I am in church all the time. Jesus Christ has made a home in me, and he is with me all the time. Everything I do is as Jesus would have me do. That is the worship Jesus seeks from people.

I know of no organized church that teaches what the apostles, so do not attend any church, other than my in home church.

This sounds creepy to me I guess. One cannot say he is a church because a church is a group of believers. What you are trying to do is against the will of many cult leader. Have you heard someone's claiming that he is the "appointed Son of God'? Oh well, seems you do have similarities. If you're not the same then surely there will be two of you but who the two of you is true?

 

[Johnlove]

This sounds creepy to me I guess. One cannot say he is a church because a church is a group of believers. What you are trying to do is against the will of many cult leader. Have you heard someone's claiming that he is the "appointed Son of God'? Oh well, seems you do have similarities. If you're not the same then surely there will be two of you but who the twWhen people are no longer able to listen to the truth they don’t want to hear, they begin to throw stones at the one given them the true message.

o of you is true?

When people are no longer able to listen to the truth they don’t want to hear, they begin to throw stones at the one given them the true message.

 

[fredoheaven]

When people are no longer able to listen to the truth they don’t want to hear, they begin to throw stones at the one given them the true message.

The true message is found in the scriptures that's true and you are saying that we no longer go to our church and that could not be true.The creepy thing is that seems you're judging and condemning many sound bible based church I know that I wouldn't do. Of course, your message is true to you but as far as the bible is concern what I said is also true.

 

[posthuman]

The true message is found in the scriptures that's true and you are saying that we no longer go to our church and that could not be true.The creepy thing is that seems you're judging and condemning many sound bible based church I know that I wouldn't do. Of course, your message is true to you but as far as the bible is concern what I said is also true.

not "many" sound churches -- he's condemning "all" of them, with the sole exception of the one consisting of himself, his la-z-boy and his dog.

and he said in another thread that he doesn't receive the word of God by reading it ((though scripture says faith comes from hearing the word)); he gets his own, personal, special extra-biblical revelation.

and he said that what he does with all of his time is attack the church ((so he scatters, not gathers))

and he said that it is our onus to defeat Satan and sin ((though it is Christ who has already done this))

and he said that scripture does not need to be explained to anyone ((though the Spirit gave teachers))

. .

this is how Joseph Smith got the mormon church started.
he claimed a supernatural power informed him that no church on earth had or practiced the true gospel.
he claimed that he alone had been given special extra-biblical revelation.
he attacked all of God's churches, drawing people to himself through vanity & sensuality.
he claimed it was man's duty to defeat sin, denying the work of the cross - that no one has truly 'repented' until they are completely sinless.
he claimed to speak ex-cathedra, without needing to be explained.


what's going on here is that he's denying the power of the cross and the empty tomb - that Christ has atoned for all sin and that He was raised again the third day, so that whoever believes in Him, putting their trust in His finished work which has defeated sin, will be saved. that Christ has sent His Spirit to daily renew us and is Himself working on, in and through us to purify us from all sin, if we but confess it, and love Him.

. . but JL here is trying to teach you that "salvation" doesn't "save" -- he says the saved can go to hell. that even if you are saved, if you don't conquer sin yourself, so that you have no need of a savior, then no matter what trust you have in the Lord to keep you, you're going to hell. JL is telling you that Christ is worthless; that it all depends on you being as perfect as Christ.

he's not even giving you 1/2 of the gospel -- maybe 1/3. he's telling you that you live under Moses and that there is no sacrifice: one-shot deal; one sin, and "kablooie!" -- because he denies the one sacrifice that Christ made, which is sufficient for all, and by which all who are being sanctified have already been made holy.

this is whatchacall "a different gospel"

 

[fredoheaven]

not "many" sound churches -- he's condemning "all" of them, with the sole exception of the one consisting of himself, his la-z-boy and his dog.

and he said in another thread that he doesn't receive the word of God by reading it ((though scripture says faith comes from hearing the word)); he gets his own, personal, special extra-biblical revelation.

and he said that what he does with all of his time is attack the church ((so he scatters, not gathers))

and he said that it is our onus to defeat Satan and sin ((though it is Christ who has already done this))

and he said that scripture does not need to be explained to anyone ((though the Spirit gave teachers))

. .

this is how Joseph Smith got the mormon church started.
he claimed a supernatural power informed him that no church on earth had or practiced the true gospel.
he claimed that he alone had been given special extra-biblical revelation.
he attacked all of God's churches, drawing people to himself through vanity & sensuality.
he claimed it was man's duty to defeat sin, denying the work of the cross - that no one has truly 'repented' until they are completely sinless.
he claimed to speak ex-cathedra, without needing to be explained.


what's going on here is that he's denying the power of the cross and the empty tomb - that Christ has atoned for all sin and that He was raised again the third day, so that whoever believes in Him, putting their trust in His finished work which has defeated sin, will be saved. that Christ has sent His Spirit to daily renew us and is Himself working on, in and through us to purify us from all sin, if we but confess it, and love Him.

. . but JL here is trying to teach you that "salvation" doesn't "save" -- he says the saved can go to hell. that even if you are saved, if you don't conquer sin yourself, so that you have no need of a savior, then no matter what trust you have in the Lord to keep you, you're going to hell. JL is telling you that Christ is worthless; that it all depends on you being as perfect as Christ.

he's not even giving you 1/2 of the gospel -- maybe 1/3. he's telling you that you live under Moses and that there is no sacrifice: one-shot deal; one sin, and "kablooie!" -- because he denies the one sacrifice that Christ made, which is sufficient for all, and by which all who are being sanctified have already been made holy.

this is whatchacall "a different gospel"

Yap, this one right.

Thank you

 

[Johnlove]

The true message is found in the scriptures that's true and you are saying that we no longer go to our church and that could not be true.The creepy thing is that seems you're judging and condemning many sound bible based church I know that I wouldn't do. Of course, your message is true to you but as far as the bible is concern what I said is also true.

You are wrong in that I am not condemning any church. The written Word of God is doing the condemning. I asked if people’s church is condemned. Paul said that if anyone preached a different gospel than what Jesus/Apostles taught they are condemned.
Now you say that there are many churches that do teach what the Apostles taught, and I ask if that is true. Can you show me a church that teaches the following scriptures? These scripture are just some of God’s Word that almost no church teaches, and in fact teach the opposite.

(Galatians 1:7-8) “Not that there can be more than one Good News; it is merely that some troublemakers among you want to change the Good News of Christ; and let me warn you that if anyone preaches a version of the Good News different from the one you have already heard, he is to be condemned.”

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”


(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

 

[Ariel82]

My church teaches from the Bible. Maybe not as you would demand them too.

However I know we do not stand condemned before God's eyes because we have many who have been washed clean by the Blood of Christ.

John you once stated you were part of a church for years but left.

Why would you abandon God's children?

None of the apostles did.

God doesn't abandon people. He chastens and cleanses His own.

It saddens me to see any of His flock wander off alone with,a wolf.

 

[hornetguy]

I would imagine that most churches teach those scriptures... but very few teach YOUR interpretation/understanding of them.

Most Bible-believing churches have members that are fully capable of understanding (rightly dividing) what is being said.

You seem to be the only one here that is having trouble with that. It's called bending the scripture to fit your belief system.

 

[Johnlove]

My church teaches from the Bible. Maybe not as you would demand them too.

However I know we do not stand condemned before God's eyes because we have many who have been washed clean by the Blood of Christ.

John you once stated you were part of a church for years but left.

Why would you abandon God's children?

None of the apostles did.

God doesn't abandon people. He chastens and cleanses His own.

It saddens me to see any of His flock wander off alone with,a wolf.

I am not an apostle. Also you did not answer my question. Does your church teach the scripture that has been posted by me? You can believe your church is teaching the truth, but if it does not then it is sinning.

A church that teaches a different gospel that what Jesus taught is being dishonest. Read what Paul told us about how we should be with one who says he is a brother, but is dishonest.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

 

[Johnlove]

I would imagine that most churches teach those scriptures... but very few teach YOUR interpretation/understanding of them.

Most Bible-believing churches have members that are fully capable of understanding (rightly dividing) what is being said.

You seem to be the only one here that is having trouble with that. It's called bending the scripture to fit your belief system.

Your statement only says that churches have changed the true meaning of the scripture.

How does your church change the meaning of this scripture?
(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did” Jesus did not occasionally sin. Neither does a Child of God who walks as Jesus lived.

Or this scripture? (Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

Or this scripture? (Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

Or this scripture? (1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

Or this scripture? (1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

Now tell me just how I have interpreted scripture differently than what it says.

 

[ember]

false prophets make false statements

they wouldn't if they did not have an audience

 

[Ariel82]

*Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.*Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised*And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:*Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. - Hebrews 10:22-25

 

[Johnlove]

*Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.*Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised*And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:*Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. - Hebrews 10:22-25

Yes Hebrews was telling Christians they should assemble with his or her fellow Christians. But Paul told us to have nothing to do with those who are dishonest. I assemble with other Christians who are not dishonest.
Do you assemble with dishonest people? Are you dishonest? Do you keep God’s Commandments?

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

 

[hornetguy]

false prophets make false statements

they wouldn't if they did not have an audience

Yes.... I withdrew from this thread once, but foolishly got drawn back in.... like watching a train wreck...

thanks for the reminder, sis...... I'm out again...

 

[Johnlove]

false prophets make false statements

they wouldn't if they did not have an audience

Yes those who don’t want to hear the truth need to run away, or throw stones at the one who is bringing the truth to them.

By the way I know Jesus Christ/God came in the flesh. Jesus is my Lord and God, and only him do I follow.

(1 John 4:1-3) “My dear friends, not every spirit is to be trusted, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets are at large in the world. This is the proof of the spirit of God: any spirit which acknowledges Jesus Christ, come in human nature, is from God, and no spirit which fails to acknowledge Jesus is from God; it is the spirit of Antichrist, whose coming you have heard of; he is already at large in the world.

 

[valiant]

Paul says that if anyone preaches a different gospel that what the apostles taught they are condemned.

(Galatians 1:7-8) “Not that there can be more than one Good News; it is merely that some troublemakers among you want to change the Good News of Christ; and let me warn you that if anyone preaches a version of the Good News different from the one you have already heard, he is to be condemned.”

Some of what the apostles/Jesus taught follows does your church teach all of the following scripture?

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”


(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Matthew 23:8-9) “You, however must not allow yourselves to be called Rabbi, since you have only one Master, and you are all brothers. You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.”

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and

swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

Immoral lives: bad, wicked, dissolute, dissipated, profligate, referring to conduct, applies to one who acts contrary to or doesnot obey or conform to standards of morality,
Idolaters: a worshiper of idols.

Adulterers: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

Catamites: a boy or youth who is in a sexual relationship with a man.

Sodomites: a person who engages in sodomy.
Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex. Copulation with a member of the same sex.

Copulation: sexual intercourse.2.a joining together or coupling.

Thieves: a person who steals, especially secretly or without open force; oneguilty of theft or larceny.

2. Obsolete. a person who lends money at interest.

Drunkards: a person who is habitually or frequently drunk.

Drunk: being in a temporary state in which one's physical and mental facultiesare impaired by an excess of alcoholic drink; intoxicated:

Slanders: One who gives, a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.

Swindlers: to cheat (a person, business, etc.) out of money or other assets.
2 to obtain by fraud or deceit.

are you really 81 or are you LYING