Peter, The First Pope?
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I live in Spain, and I see this type of living byte hierarchy, the hierarchy, everywhere, not to mention the known vacation condos that many regular priests have been known to use. One of the many scandals this past year was such a condo where priests were taking young boys. Distasteful, but true.
As for Chicago, have you ever seen the home of the cardenal? Have you checked out the property of the church.
I went to a priest in charge of dealing with and caring for people with aids. I wanted to pray with them and read teh Word when wanted. The pries sitting behind a nice desk and an even nicer office told me these kids needed care, not someone reading the Bible to them or praying with them. Then he continued his telephone conversation telling someone how he had just returned from his vacation where he loved riding horeback on the beach, something I have never been able to afford, nor most who are here reading this.
If you do not know about the CC around the world, please do not challenge one who does know first hand, ok.
Having said this, I know I have family in Jesus Christ around this old world who call themselves Catholic, but they love Jesus Christ as Savior and God, for He is just that....God bless you always, and I pray you are in Jesus christ, amen
As for Chicago, have you ever seen the home of the cardenal? Have you checked out the property of the church.
I went to a priest in charge of dealing with and caring for people with aids. I wanted to pray with them and read teh Word when wanted. The pries sitting behind a nice desk and an even nicer office told me these kids needed care, not someone reading the Bible to them or praying with them. Then he continued his telephone conversation telling someone how he had just returned from his vacation where he loved riding horeback on the beach, something I have never been able to afford, nor most who are here reading this.
If you do not know about the CC around the world, please do not challenge one who does know first hand, ok.
Having said this, I know I have family in Jesus Christ around this old world who call themselves Catholic, but they love Jesus Christ as Savior and God, for He is just that....God bless you always, and I pray you are in Jesus christ, amen
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Can the word of God comfort a Catholic without them first and foremost seeking the approval of the fathers called apostolic succession?
Its really not that difficult to prove that the scriptures of themselves are no authority to any Catholic without first seeking the approval of sinful men call fathers as the same that Christ called a brood of vipers as His nemesis in any generation.. .
Just answer the question by looking at the scripture that infallibly informs us of what God declares to us. Do the Catholics put their trust in the teaching that should comfort us as to when a saint leaves here they go to sleep and not longer have any part here on earth forever more? Or do they turn into disembodied workers with a familial spirit that you must call patron saint and they are not asleep but reigning with their Queen Mother from heaven .
What does 1 Thessalonian 4 infallibly declare to us can we ignore the knowledge by porposily being ignorant of what it infallibly declares?
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.1Th 4:13
It is the practice of Catholicism to turn things upside down they have the saints that are asleep reigning with Christ while the born again ones that remain alive here are asleep. This is so they can build their own kind of faith base at the patron saint factory in Rome. Its the same thing the corrupted fathers did prior to Catholicism . Same pattern different fathers.
.Take away necromancy, the foundation of Catholicism. Catholicism crumbles.
Can the word of God comfort a Catholic without them first and foremost seeking the approval of the fathers called apostolic succession?
Its really not that difficult to prove that the scriptures of themselves are no authority to any Catholic without first seeking the approval of sinful men call fathers as the same that Christ called a brood of vipers as His nemesis in any generation.. .
Just answer the question by looking at the scripture that infallibly informs us of what God declares to us. Do the Catholics put their trust in the teaching that should comfort us as to when a saint leaves here they go to sleep and not longer have any part here on earth forever more? Or do they turn into disembodied workers with a familial spirit that you must call patron saint and they are not asleep but reigning with their Queen Mother from heaven .
What does 1 Thessalonian 4 infallibly declare to us can we ignore the knowledge by porposily being ignorant of what it infallibly declares?
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.1Th 4:13
It is the practice of Catholicism to turn things upside down they have the saints that are asleep reigning with Christ while the born again ones that remain alive here are asleep. This is so they can build their own kind of faith base at the patron saint factory in Rome. Its the same thing the corrupted fathers did prior to Catholicism . Same pattern different fathers.
.Take away necromancy, the foundation of Catholicism. Catholicism crumbles.
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I read the Bible with the approval of our priests who constantly encourage us to read the bible. I receive great comfort in the scriptures. Don't you? As far as the charge of necromancy, that isn't taught anywhere by the church so please refrain from saying we do. I assume you do Bible studies that are led by someone, maybe attend a service led by someone. Guess what? These are sinful people too! Why criticize me for doing what you do as far as learning from another. Are Catholics the only ones that have sinful leaders?I don't think so. Please stop heing a hypocrite. As far as the other junk in your post, well, that's purely fantasy on your part. Before you make these weird accusations you should find out what the CC really teaches. Then maybe you. could follow the great command toward your Catholic brothers and sisters
The Roman Catholic church where? In south America their teaching is far different from north America. It is different again in China. Some teach the worship of Mary, others her 'veneration'. But they ALL believe in someone who can hear a million prayers at the same time, and deal with them. And that is to make them demi-gods.
Hi Nikki84
That is kind of strange to me? If we are lovingly commanded to study the scripture in order to seek the approval of God who alone wrote them .Why would you ignore that law and rather seek the approval of men?
Which one seeing no man can serve two masters . The things of God or those of men?
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
What would be the purpose of them asking you to read if you are not allowed to interpret His interpretation , the Bible in the end of the matter?
I cannot see into another heart.
Does the verse that I am offering below that shows the saints that leave here are asleep and not reigning on earth with Christ, as disembodied workers with a familiar spirits as that which you must call patrons saints.(The legion 3500 and rising)
Does that form of necromancy (seeking disemodied spirit gods) give you comfort? Or does your comfort come from the fathers which by you must measure your Catholic kind of faith because they ignore what the Holy Spirit is teaching us and its easier to walk by sight?
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then “we” which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1Th 4:13-18
They obviously do but do not say. You have a variety of 3500 and rising medallions needed to put a face on the legion(3500) when they come up. There are millions of what you must call patron saint medallions used as a idol imagine (teraphim) as a workers with a familiar spirit, called saint Christopher medallions that comforts and gives men safety in their travels. That’s the tip of the ice burg.
Who assigned them that work and gave a infallible approval?
By ignoring the teaching in the verse I offered that should comfort us it show the Catholic do seek after disembodied worker with a familiar spirit that they have named Patron saints. Do you need more proof than God has offered as a law of faith?
Seek after the fathers the skies the limit. Just believe them by having your faith in respect to them
If they are not led by the promise teacher comforter and guide. The Anointing Holy Spirit of Christ . Why would they call it a Bible study .Rather than a study of what the fathers believe is true.
There is nothing wrong form learning from anothers. Its why he put teachers in the church but having a faith in respect to them and not the Holy Spirit shows some put the horse before the cart. as in upside down.
Its not my place to criticize I offer my bread as my personal opinion..
We are warned of the ideology of the god of this world Satan the deceiver. He the antichrist (singular) has not form in respect those he deceives, the antichrists (plural men who do have form ) He infallibly informs us as a warning we do not need men to teach us ,because as it His word teaches us we abide in Him .
Why do you abide in men as they teach you? We already know what happened to Peter when Satan who has no form worked through Peter.. forbidding the Lord of Glory from doing what the father In heaven sent him to do..
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the “things that be of God”, but “those that be of men”. Mat 16:22
The thing is the Catholic want to make Peter the infallible daysman as a mediator between God and man as if it was Peter by which the gates of hell could never prevail against .If Christ did not rescue Peter the gate would of prevailed against Peter.
They are only weird to those who measure faith by men and not by the faith of Christ that works in the believer to both will and do His good pleasure. Doing the pleasures of men, the fathers, just shows you are following a different kind of faith. Nothing more and nothing less.
We already know what they teach by denying the authority of scriptures .It is why Christ said to pew sitters who worshiped the fathers through veneration because they would not measure faith by Christ measure it in respect to the fathers.
Why did he call the sinful fathers a brood of vipers if they had the faith of Christ, the faith of God in respect to Christ as do the Protestants ?Was it because they had the faith belonging exclusively to Christ in regard to the fathers, called apostolic succession?
Fill ye up then the “measure” of your fathers.Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mat 23:32
Again seeing no man can serve two master .Do we measure our faith in respect to Christ or men called father?
That is kind of strange to me? If we are lovingly commanded to study the scripture in order to seek the approval of God who alone wrote them .Why would you ignore that law and rather seek the approval of men?
Which one seeing no man can serve two masters . The things of God or those of men?
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
What would be the purpose of them asking you to read if you are not allowed to interpret His interpretation , the Bible in the end of the matter?
I cannot see into another heart.
Does the verse that I am offering below that shows the saints that leave here are asleep and not reigning on earth with Christ, as disembodied workers with a familiar spirits as that which you must call patrons saints.(The legion 3500 and rising)
Does that form of necromancy (seeking disemodied spirit gods) give you comfort? Or does your comfort come from the fathers which by you must measure your Catholic kind of faith because they ignore what the Holy Spirit is teaching us and its easier to walk by sight?
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then “we” which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1Th 4:13-18
They obviously do but do not say. You have a variety of 3500 and rising medallions needed to put a face on the legion(3500) when they come up. There are millions of what you must call patron saint medallions used as a idol imagine (teraphim) as a workers with a familiar spirit, called saint Christopher medallions that comforts and gives men safety in their travels. That’s the tip of the ice burg.
Who assigned them that work and gave a infallible approval?
By ignoring the teaching in the verse I offered that should comfort us it show the Catholic do seek after disembodied worker with a familiar spirit that they have named Patron saints. Do you need more proof than God has offered as a law of faith?
Seek after the fathers the skies the limit. Just believe them by having your faith in respect to them
If they are not led by the promise teacher comforter and guide. The Anointing Holy Spirit of Christ . Why would they call it a Bible study .Rather than a study of what the fathers believe is true.
There is nothing wrong form learning from anothers. Its why he put teachers in the church but having a faith in respect to them and not the Holy Spirit shows some put the horse before the cart. as in upside down.
Its not my place to criticize I offer my bread as my personal opinion..
We are warned of the ideology of the god of this world Satan the deceiver. He the antichrist (singular) has not form in respect those he deceives, the antichrists (plural men who do have form ) He infallibly informs us as a warning we do not need men to teach us ,because as it His word teaches us we abide in Him .
Why do you abide in men as they teach you? We already know what happened to Peter when Satan who has no form worked through Peter.. forbidding the Lord of Glory from doing what the father In heaven sent him to do..
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the “things that be of God”, but “those that be of men”. Mat 16:22
The thing is the Catholic want to make Peter the infallible daysman as a mediator between God and man as if it was Peter by which the gates of hell could never prevail against .If Christ did not rescue Peter the gate would of prevailed against Peter.
They are only weird to those who measure faith by men and not by the faith of Christ that works in the believer to both will and do His good pleasure. Doing the pleasures of men, the fathers, just shows you are following a different kind of faith. Nothing more and nothing less.
We already know what they teach by denying the authority of scriptures .It is why Christ said to pew sitters who worshiped the fathers through veneration because they would not measure faith by Christ measure it in respect to the fathers.
Why did he call the sinful fathers a brood of vipers if they had the faith of Christ, the faith of God in respect to Christ as do the Protestants ?Was it because they had the faith belonging exclusively to Christ in regard to the fathers, called apostolic succession?
Fill ye up then the “measure” of your fathers.Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mat 23:32
Again seeing no man can serve two master .Do we measure our faith in respect to Christ or men called father?
Its the Holy Spirit that Indwells in us that teach us what the Scriptures are saying. We do not need to listen to the false teaching of the Catholic Church. And yes the teachings of the Catholic Church are false.
The Holy Spirit in Romans 3:23 and Romans 5:12 clearly teaches all have sinned and all applies to Mary. To say Mary was sinless is a lie.
How can anyone claim they are following God and at the same time teach and believe Mary was sinless? They cannot.
Its not so much you actually believe Mary was sinless, its also the fact since you believe Mary was sinless that you look to Mary as your god. You Pray to Mary, you Worship Mary which shows Mary is a god you follow.
We cannot follow God and at the same time follow a false god. You cannot serve two Masters. Either you follow God or you follow Mary. You cannot do both.
As for me i follow Jesus only. I have no need for a god named Mary.
Who died for my sins? Was it Jesus or Mary?
Whose blood was shed for washing me clean of my all my sins? Jesus or Mary?
Who has given me Eternal Life in Heaven, Jesus or Mary?
As for me i will only follow Jesus, never ever will i ever follow Mary. Mary is dead and in the grave and Mary can do nothing for me.
You need to chose. Who is your God, Jesus or Mary?
The Holy Spirit in Romans 3:23 and Romans 5:12 clearly teaches all have sinned and all applies to Mary. To say Mary was sinless is a lie.
How can anyone claim they are following God and at the same time teach and believe Mary was sinless? They cannot.
Its not so much you actually believe Mary was sinless, its also the fact since you believe Mary was sinless that you look to Mary as your god. You Pray to Mary, you Worship Mary which shows Mary is a god you follow.
We cannot follow God and at the same time follow a false god. You cannot serve two Masters. Either you follow God or you follow Mary. You cannot do both.
As for me i follow Jesus only. I have no need for a god named Mary.
Who died for my sins? Was it Jesus or Mary?
Whose blood was shed for washing me clean of my all my sins? Jesus or Mary?
Who has given me Eternal Life in Heaven, Jesus or Mary?
As for me i will only follow Jesus, never ever will i ever follow Mary. Mary is dead and in the grave and Mary can do nothing for me.
You need to chose. Who is your God, Jesus or Mary?
That seem sad Thessalonian 4 that infallibly inform us the saints that do leave here are clearly asleep should comfort you yet it brings sadness.
Not one myth. God's love, our blessing rejoices with His truth not the oral tradition of the father that make his word to no effect. . Loving by speaking the truth as a blessing is not hating by withholding a blessing.
The gospel good new, not just good advice is really simple there is no need to seek after disembodied workers with a familiar spirit that you must call patrons saints .God call it an abomination.
Either the word of God, as the faith of Christ teaches us a he has promised or we make the word of God in respect to the faith of God without effect.
Another example that you can call a myth. Scripture clearly, infallibly informs us that God is not a man as us as if he had a beginning of days and end of life and neither is there any (no not one) Pope as a daysman or a infallible interpreter as a mediator between God and man .
That alone I believe should make the Pope disappear as you put your trust in Christ the true anointing Holy Spirit of God . why replace the Holy Spirit with a sinful man? What kind of advantage could that offord other than something to look at as walking by sight. Who will you trust as the final authority in matters of faith (the unseen) between us. Will you let the Pope, your daysman be true and God the liar?
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there "any" daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:32 ,
Easton Bible dictionary ...Daysman (pope) an umpire or arbiter or judge (Job 9:33). This word is formed from the Latin diem dicere, i.e., to fix a day for hearing a cause. Such an one is empowered by mutual consent (God and man) to decide the cause, and to "lay his hand", i.e., to impose his authority, onboth, and enforce his sentence.
Strongs lexicon... Daysman (Pope) (03198 yakach {yaw-kahh'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 865; v AV - reprove 23, rebuke 12, correct 3, plead 3, reason 2, chasten 2, reprover + 0376 2, appointed 1, arguing 1, misc 9; 59 1) to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to decide, judge 1a2) to adjudge, appoint 1a3) to show to be right, prove 1a4) to convince, convict 1a5) to reprove, chide 1a6) to correct, rebuke 1b) (Hophal) to be chastened 1c) (Niphal) to reason, reason together 1d) (Hithp) to argue.
You decide seeing no man can serve two masters . The things of an altogether holy and righteous God God or those of sinful men?pope)
Not one myth. God's love, our blessing rejoices with His truth not the oral tradition of the father that make his word to no effect. . Loving by speaking the truth as a blessing is not hating by withholding a blessing.
The gospel good new, not just good advice is really simple there is no need to seek after disembodied workers with a familiar spirit that you must call patrons saints .God call it an abomination.
Either the word of God, as the faith of Christ teaches us a he has promised or we make the word of God in respect to the faith of God without effect.
Another example that you can call a myth. Scripture clearly, infallibly informs us that God is not a man as us as if he had a beginning of days and end of life and neither is there any (no not one) Pope as a daysman or a infallible interpreter as a mediator between God and man .
That alone I believe should make the Pope disappear as you put your trust in Christ the true anointing Holy Spirit of God . why replace the Holy Spirit with a sinful man? What kind of advantage could that offord other than something to look at as walking by sight. Who will you trust as the final authority in matters of faith (the unseen) between us. Will you let the Pope, your daysman be true and God the liar?
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there "any" daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:32 ,
Easton Bible dictionary ...Daysman (pope) an umpire or arbiter or judge (Job 9:33). This word is formed from the Latin diem dicere, i.e., to fix a day for hearing a cause. Such an one is empowered by mutual consent (God and man) to decide the cause, and to "lay his hand", i.e., to impose his authority, onboth, and enforce his sentence.
Strongs lexicon... Daysman (Pope) (03198 yakach {yaw-kahh'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 865; v AV - reprove 23, rebuke 12, correct 3, plead 3, reason 2, chasten 2, reprover + 0376 2, appointed 1, arguing 1, misc 9; 59 1) to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to decide, judge 1a2) to adjudge, appoint 1a3) to show to be right, prove 1a4) to convince, convict 1a5) to reprove, chide 1a6) to correct, rebuke 1b) (Hophal) to be chastened 1c) (Niphal) to reason, reason together 1d) (Hithp) to argue.
You decide seeing no man can serve two masters . The things of an altogether holy and righteous God God or those of sinful men?pope)
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