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Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
Have no clue why you would slap a label spiritual police after my quote.
This world is temporary. Whatever blessings God gives us is to be used for His glory.otherwise it's all in vain.
Two rich men buried Jesus, so God does not look at material wealth or proverty as spiritually better than another.
Paul says he has learnt to be satisfied at whatever state he is in. He trusted God to provide for his day to day needs.
It is a false gospel to promise material riches and earthly prosperity, because God's promises are for eternal treasure in heaven. Whatever is entrusted to our care here on earth is meant to be used for His glory, not our lusts.
Have no clue why you would slap a label spiritual police after my quote.
This world is temporary. Whatever blessings God gives us is to be used for His glory.otherwise it's all in vain.
Two rich men buried Jesus, so God does not look at material wealth or proverty as spiritually better than another.
Paul says he has learnt to be satisfied at whatever state he is in. He trusted God to provide for his day to day needs.
It is a false gospel to promise material riches and earthly prosperity, because God's promises are for eternal treasure in heaven. Whatever is entrusted to our care here on earth is meant to be used for His glory, not our lusts.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
I have not heard of anyone who teaches we are not to repent so I have no idea what you are referring to.
Here is what I have heard from believers in the grace of God.
..we repent of things that are destructive as they are being revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and we repent ( which in Greek means - to change the mind ) of the religious thoughts and ideas that we have had that was false about God and Christ.
I have not heard of anyone who teaches we are not to repent so I have no idea what you are referring to.
Here is what I have heard from believers in the grace of God.
..we repent of things that are destructive as they are being revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and we repent ( which in Greek means - to change the mind ) of the religious thoughts and ideas that we have had that was false about God and Christ.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
You false grace teachers twist the meaning of "Repent".
If religious people wanted to get saved, All they'll thing they have to do, is, stop thinking about their religion, and think about the Christian faith. And that teaching is deceiving them, as they have to get born again, [Not just think about the Christian faith].
And born again Christians don't think about the religious bondage that they have come out of.
Repentance is more than thinking, It's an act of turning away from sins.
You false grace teachers twist the meaning of "Repent".
If religious people wanted to get saved, All they'll thing they have to do, is, stop thinking about their religion, and think about the Christian faith. And that teaching is deceiving them, as they have to get born again, [Not just think about the Christian faith].
And born again Christians don't think about the religious bondage that they have come out of.
Repentance is more than thinking, It's an act of turning away from sins.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
Nonsense....Repentance is "change your thinking" in the Greek and you can't change that fact. Change the way you think and stop relying on your self and turn to God for salvation.
Nowhere in the gospel message does it say to turn from sins - altho we do that as a "result" of salvation - it is not a requirement to come to Christ.
We have word-for-word accounts of the true gospel being preached by Peter and Paul in Acts 10 and Acts 13. Check it out...not one word of repentance was used ( and yet - they did repent - change their mind - to trust in Christ and that all their sins were forgiven. ). I realize this violates your religious beliefs but it's the truth.
There is a fruit of repentance but it is a by-product of the life of Christ in us as He bears His fruit in and through us.
Listen to this guy and he explains true repentance and the origin of how the meaning of the word has been hi-jacked by religion.
[video=vimeo;112172173]https://vimeo.com/112172173[/video]
Nonsense....Repentance is "change your thinking" in the Greek and you can't change that fact. Change the way you think and stop relying on your self and turn to God for salvation.
Nowhere in the gospel message does it say to turn from sins - altho we do that as a "result" of salvation - it is not a requirement to come to Christ.
We have word-for-word accounts of the true gospel being preached by Peter and Paul in Acts 10 and Acts 13. Check it out...not one word of repentance was used ( and yet - they did repent - change their mind - to trust in Christ and that all their sins were forgiven. ). I realize this violates your religious beliefs but it's the truth.
There is a fruit of repentance but it is a by-product of the life of Christ in us as He bears His fruit in and through us.
Listen to this guy and he explains true repentance and the origin of how the meaning of the word has been hi-jacked by religion.
[video=vimeo;112172173]https://vimeo.com/112172173[/video]
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
Yes, and that means a change of actions. Repentance is like a person living in a place of sin, and crossing a river to a place of righteousness, Then burning the bridge so they cannot get back into sin.
Yes, and that means a change of actions. Repentance is like a person living in a place of sin, and crossing a river to a place of righteousness, Then burning the bridge so they cannot get back into sin.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
Psalm 50:16-17
16But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
17Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
Shalom
Psalm 50:16-17
16But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
17Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
Shalom
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
Repentance isn't just, Quote, "Stop relying on yourself, and turn to God for salvation", Because Paul was talking to already saved people, in 2 Cor 7: 9--11.
Also note, This repentance wasn't just changing their minds, It caused them to change their actions.
You false grace teachers always give an unbalanced Biblical teaching, But you only give half truths about the Greek and about repentance.
Repentance isn't just, Quote, "Stop relying on yourself, and turn to God for salvation", Because Paul was talking to already saved people, in 2 Cor 7: 9--11.
Also note, This repentance wasn't just changing their minds, It caused them to change their actions.
You false grace teachers always give an unbalanced Biblical teaching, But you only give half truths about the Greek and about repentance.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
You have insulted every person on CC since you came that doesn't agree with you on your view of some scriptures so insulting me and calling names fits right in with your approach to people.
2 Cor 7:9-11 still applies to ""Stop relying on yourself, and turn to God for salvation", " ..why do you think that guy from 1 Cor 5 which is what 2 Cor 7 is referring to - why do you think he was doing what he was doing? He was trying to get life from sin and not God.
Repentance is "changing your mind " whether you agree with the Greek meaning of the word is irrelevant to the truth.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind ". In Jesus and Paul's day the word would be used in a sentence like this. " I was going to the synagogue but I metanoia (changed my mind ) and went to the market.
There are "fruits" of repentance ( changing the mind ) as in the case above...the person "went to the market". ( every fiber of my being wants to say..."and this little piggy stayed home".....but I will refrain )
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ. This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
Sometimes our religious traditions can "hi-jack" the meanings of words and can present false assumptions.
You have insulted every person on CC since you came that doesn't agree with you on your view of some scriptures so insulting me and calling names fits right in with your approach to people.
2 Cor 7:9-11 still applies to ""Stop relying on yourself, and turn to God for salvation", " ..why do you think that guy from 1 Cor 5 which is what 2 Cor 7 is referring to - why do you think he was doing what he was doing? He was trying to get life from sin and not God.
Repentance is "changing your mind " whether you agree with the Greek meaning of the word is irrelevant to the truth.
The word "repentance" - metanoia as been shown by others simply in the original greek means " to change the mind ". In Jesus and Paul's day the word would be used in a sentence like this. " I was going to the synagogue but I metanoia (changed my mind ) and went to the market.
There are "fruits" of repentance ( changing the mind ) as in the case above...the person "went to the market". ( every fiber of my being wants to say..."and this little piggy stayed home".....but I will refrain )
To us it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.
We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ. This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
Sometimes our religious traditions can "hi-jack" the meanings of words and can present false assumptions.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
And you have twisted the scriptures, ever since I have come on here.
If you read 1 Cor 5, through the Holy Spirit, instead of through 1st imaginations, You'll see that,
We have to purge the old, so the new can come, V7.
Even if 1 Cor 7 was talking about the man in 1 Cor 5, He still had to do something.
A change of mind, Has to be followed by a changes of actions and lifestyle.
One can't just think they change, They have to do something.
And you have twisted the scriptures, ever since I have come on here.
If you read 1 Cor 5, through the Holy Spirit, instead of through 1st imaginations, You'll see that,
We have to purge the old, so the new can come, V7.
Even if 1 Cor 7 was talking about the man in 1 Cor 5, He still had to do something.
A change of mind, Has to be followed by a changes of actions and lifestyle.
One can't just think they change, They have to do something.
Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
Apparently you missed this in my post....
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There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ. This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
Apparently you missed this in my post....
Quote:
There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.
The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ. This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.
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Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe
That's great that you are in Christ! The Bible has good news for you! You HAVE forgiveness! You ARE forgiven!
Acts 10:43
"All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”
2 Corinthians 5:19
"that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation."
Colossians 1:14
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."
Colossians 2:13
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins"
Colossians 3:13
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."
Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"
Ephesians 4:32
"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."
1 John 2:12
"I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of His name."
Hebrews 8:12
"For I will forgive their wickedness, and will remember their sins no more.”
Hebrews 10:17
“...Their sins and lawless acts, I will remember no more.”
That's great that you are in Christ! The Bible has good news for you! You HAVE forgiveness! You ARE forgiven!
Acts 10:43
"All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”
2 Corinthians 5:19
"that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation."
Colossians 1:14
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."
Colossians 2:13
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins"
Colossians 3:13
"Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."
Ephesians 1:7
"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"
Ephesians 4:32
"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."
1 John 2:12
"I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of His name."
Hebrews 8:12
"For I will forgive their wickedness, and will remember their sins no more.”
Hebrews 10:17
“...Their sins and lawless acts, I will remember no more.”