The Ten Commandments

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Grandpa

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So, you really don't know? (It's OK to say so, instead of trying to throw up a smoke screen. LOL)
The sting of death is sin. And the strength of sin is the law.

The Letter kills but the Spirit gives Life.
 
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the wages of sin is death. not the wages of the "law" is death, but the wages of sin is death. the carnal person who lives in the flesh will disobey the commandments > which leads to death. The law, in the same verse, is glorious! But for the rebellious people who would not obey, it is indeed, the ministration of death. Remember when God told Adam, In the day you eat of it, you shall surely die.
Now, for a person who has the indwelling Spirit, they will want to live for God, and obey Him, rather than the flesh:
Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:7-8 (KJV)
The ministry of death is the ten commandments just as Paul said.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, ( The only thing written down in stone was the ten commandments )

[SUP]8 [/SUP] how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

[SUP]9 [/SUP] For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. ( it is also called the ministry of condemnation )

We live now by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of faith, the law of liberty in Christ, the law of Christ - He, Christ - is one in union within our news hearts. We are a new creation in Christ . "Behold"..means to look , to perceive.

These new "laws" of the New Covenant will stop us from breaking any intent of the ten commandments. These ten commandments were but shadows of the real substance in Christ. They don't teach us how to love people or our spouses - but the Spirit of God in us will lead us in all things now as we are God's children.
 
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:alien: as it is written
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Mateo: 7. 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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godbless us all always
 

trofimus

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Are we supposed to obey the Ten Commandments?

(I believe the answer to the question is yes.)
No.

But we have most of it (the exception is the Sabbath) repeated in the New Testament, so we obey the same things. Only based on a different source.
 
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Grandpa

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If we could obey the 10 commandments there would be no need for the Lord Jesus Christ.

There would be no condemnation and no death.


I'm really not sure why people who rely on the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation try to go back to their own understanding of the law. It must be out of some sort of guilt laid on them from outside sources.

YOU BROKE THE LAW! I know, that's why I came to Christ... Why not just stay here...? Why go back to the law and your sin and death?

Unless you really just don't understand what the Law says. Or most of the New Testament.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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So since the topic is specifically about the ten commandments I guess I can chime in on what I have been studying. I'm sure most of us have heard of Ray Comfort. Well I took the plunge and went through his training, The School of Biblical Evangelism. One of the books that was required reading is The Way of the Master. There is a quote from Ray and from D.L. Moody that I think pretty much sums up the law. D.L. Moody said "The Law can only chase a man to Calvary, no further."

Ray comfort said "The Law's rightful purpose is simply to act as a mirror to show us that we need cleansing. Those who seek to be justified by the Law are taking the mirror off the wall and trying to wash themselves with it.

I believe both of these statements to be true.
 
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we dont see this commandments
from those ten
as it is written
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Levitico: 18. 22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

and we are not against to those people who were judge by their communities for being different as they have the bodh of a man but with a heart of a woman and vice versa
what we want to say is they must not do this things
especially when they been save for they might lost it somehow
if they been deceive unto this things again
as it is written
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1 Corinto: 6. 6. But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7. Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8. Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

but only to what is good and cannot lie
and to our lord and saviour the only begotten son
with all that is holy

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godbless us all always
 
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:smoke: as it is written
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2 Mga Hari: 4. 16. And he said, About this season, according to the time of life, thou shalt embrace a son. And she said, Nay, my lord, thou man of God, do not lie unto thine handmaid.
~;> IF ANYONE HAVE THEIR TIME
THEY MAY READ THE REST OF THE STORY
WHICH IS WRITTEN UNTO THIS PASSAGE
FOR IT IS GOOD STORY

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godbless us all always
 
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So since the topic is specifically about the ten commandments I guess I can chime in on what I have been studying. I'm sure most of us have heard of Ray Comfort. Well I took the plunge and went through his training, The School of Biblical Evangelism. One of the books that was required reading is The Way of the Master. There is a quote from Ray and from D.L. Moody that I think pretty much sums up the law. D.L. Moody said "The Law can only chase a man to Calvary, no further."

Ray comfort said "The Law's rightful purpose is simply to act as a mirror to show us that we need cleansing. Those who seek to be justified by the Law are taking the mirror off the wall and trying to wash themselves with it.

I believe both of these statements to be true.
My condolences.
 
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No.

But we have most of it (the exception is the Sabbath) repeated in the New Testament, so we obey the same things. Only based on a different source.
So you obey 9 commandments?
 
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But you have no problem in making the Spiritual Law into carnal commandments that your flesh can obey.

You don't yet understand that your carnal understanding of your carnal commandments aren't obeying the Real Law.


Your carnal understanding of commandments is enmity to God. It is not subject to the Law of God, neither can it be.
There is only one place in the KJV where you find "carnal commandment". It is not what you think. It is only talking about the Levitical priests. They became priests because of who their (fleshly parents) are. Whereas a priest of the order of Melchizedek, it is not based on who their parents were. That is all it is saying.
 

trofimus

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So you only obey the repeated commandments?
God´s rule for our life is the New Testament.

Man´s rule for our life is the law of our countries.

These two we should obey.
 
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and we are not against to those people who were judge by their communities for being different
as they have the bodh
of a man but with a heart of a woman and vice versa
what we want to say is they must not do this things
especially when they been save for they might lost it somehow
if they been deceive unto this things again

. ... the word ``bodh`` stands for body of divine humans
as it is written
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1 Corinto: 6. 19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

... . thats why those evil things always wants all our
body to be corrupted and the next they will do
is to deceive our heart and soul

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godbless us all always
 
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:hrmm: it is a really good story
as it is written
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2 Mga Hari: 4. 33. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD.
34. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and he stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm.
35. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes.
36. And he called Gehazi, and said, Call this Shunammite. So he called her. And when she was come in unto him, he said, Take up thy son.
37. Then she went in, and fell at his feet, and bowed herself to the ground, and took up her son, and went out.

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godbless us all always
 
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Are we supposed to obey the Ten Commandments?

(I believe the answer to the question is yes.)
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,


Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

The ten commandments are moral laws,laws of love,so they must be obeyed,which we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,the laws of love,for love is the fulfilling of the law,which we can do by the Holy Spirit,but the laws of live,are many laws,do not steal,do not murder,do not lie,do not covet your neighbor's goods,or wife,and such,do not do anything that is of unrighteousness,or not good,according to what God says it not right,or good,obey the moral laws,laws of love,for if not you shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

1ofthem

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Matthew 5:16-20
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I'm not sure what this means to anyone else, but I think we will want to follow the ten commandments if we are saved and Jesus abides in us. We are supposed to abstain from evil and prefer the good. I'm not saying that we won't get in ourselves at times and slip up and make mistakes. But we have forgiveness in Jesus. The word of God says be ye holy for I am holy saith the Lord...Now no man can do that of their own selves. But Jesus is able to make us to stand and be holy if we have his blood applied to our souls because he walks with us and he is holy. That's my take on it anyhow.