The Ten Commandments
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Yeah it can be a bit too much. I do believe in the concept of what they talk about though. I think a Christian can use different means to witness to people, just depends on who you are witnessing to and what the environment is like. Are you talking to an Atheist, an Agnostic, a bitter ex christian etc....
See, this is why I think people get confused. For me, it has nothing to do with obeying the Law of Moses 'n' such, it has to do with obeying the Gospel of Christ and His commandments which I believer are surely in place for the Church today.
May I ask:
Do you teach and practice the Commandment of Baptism? If so, why?
Do you teach and practice the Commandment of Communion? If so, then why?
Do you teach and practice the Commandment of Foot Washing? If so, then why? (most break this Commandment willingly, and I have to wonder why they bother to keep the first two I listed.)
Do you teach and practice the Two Greatest Commandments? If so, then why?
...........and on, and on.......and on.....from Scripture I could continue........
Obedience to Christ and His Commandments for the Church are critical, and for those who don't think so, there is going to be a "cold and horrible shower" of reality one day. And that is a sad thing.
I agree, but this in no way "VOIDS" the 10 Commandments. Yes, IF we keep the First Two, then we are keeping the 10.
However, as you stated, we are not capable of ourselves to keep the 10, so, pray tell, what makes people think they can keep the Two Greatest? And, if they don't then, are they not GUILTY of breaking ALL of the Commandments?
Without GRACE, we are dead in our sin. Without unmerited GRACE and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, who comes to us AFTER we are "washed in the precious blood of Christ" which makes us "worthy" to be called His children, we are dead in our sin.
Still, the 10 Commandments are just as important to know and teach as the Two Greatest, and as all of the other Commandments Christ gave us........two important ones are Baptism and Communion.
Anyway...........just me...........ya know........wee elephant -------- da Legalist
However, as you stated, we are not capable of ourselves to keep the 10, so, pray tell, what makes people think they can keep the Two Greatest? And, if they don't then, are they not GUILTY of breaking ALL of the Commandments?
Without GRACE, we are dead in our sin. Without unmerited GRACE and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, who comes to us AFTER we are "washed in the precious blood of Christ" which makes us "worthy" to be called His children, we are dead in our sin.
Still, the 10 Commandments are just as important to know and teach as the Two Greatest, and as all of the other Commandments Christ gave us........two important ones are Baptism and Communion.
Anyway...........just me...........ya know........wee elephant -------- da Legalist
If people think we do not have to obey the 10 commandments,they have gone to far in we are saved by faith alone,not wanting the littlest iota of responsibility in their walk with God,which they deceive their self,but at the same time they would believe that love is the fulfilling of the law,and the two greatest commandments are love God,and love people,which that is what the 10 commandments are laws of love towards God,and people.
If someone says we do not have to obey the law,or commandments,for we are not under the law,the first of the commands is love God,the first law,would they say we do not have to obey that,they would not.
Do people really say we do not have to obey the law,the moral laws,or are we confused about what they are saying,because it does not seem possible that anyone could actually say that,for if they did,what is going to pop out of their mouth next,the devil is God,but I jest,but it does not seem possible for someone to think we do not have to obey the 10 commandments.
When the Bible says we are not under the law if led of the Spirit,is because they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and abstain from sin,and show the characteristics of the Spirit,so the law cannot prosecute them,not that they do not have to obey the law.
If someone says we do not have to obey the law,or commandments,for we are not under the law,the first of the commands is love God,the first law,would they say we do not have to obey that,they would not.
Do people really say we do not have to obey the law,the moral laws,or are we confused about what they are saying,because it does not seem possible that anyone could actually say that,for if they did,what is going to pop out of their mouth next,the devil is God,but I jest,but it does not seem possible for someone to think we do not have to obey the 10 commandments.
When the Bible says we are not under the law if led of the Spirit,is because they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and abstain from sin,and show the characteristics of the Spirit,so the law cannot prosecute them,not that they do not have to obey the law.
Hmm......not to be argumentative, but this sounds a lot like the "two Gospel" ideology some believe in. I don't. I believer all of Gods Word is for all of His children. Not saying you subscribe to that particular ideology, just saying..........
I fully accept "saved by grace through faith, and not by works......" for this is truth, but it does not excuse us from being obedient to the Word of God, and, especially His will. If people read that whole passage of Scripture, this is made perfectly clear............we are "purposed" by God. He has a "purpose" for us, and we are to be "obedient" to that purpose.
Grace does not excuse us from being obedient to God. Rather grace, salvation, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit are why we are ABLE to be obedient to Him.
(that's just me, sooooooo)
I fully accept "saved by grace through faith, and not by works......" for this is truth, but it does not excuse us from being obedient to the Word of God, and, especially His will. If people read that whole passage of Scripture, this is made perfectly clear............we are "purposed" by God. He has a "purpose" for us, and we are to be "obedient" to that purpose.
Grace does not excuse us from being obedient to God. Rather grace, salvation, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit are why we are ABLE to be obedient to Him.
(that's just me, sooooooo)
Hmm......not to be argumentative, but this sounds a lot like the "two Gospel" ideology some believe in. I don't. I believer all of Gods Word is for all of His children. Not saying you subscribe to that particular ideology, just saying..........
I fully accept "saved by grace through faith, and not by works......" for this is truth, but it does not excuse us from being obedient to the Word of God, and, especially His will. If people read that whole passage of Scripture, this is made perfectly clear............we are "purposed" by God. He has a "purpose" for us, and we are to be "obedient" to that purpose.
Grace does not excuse us from being obedient to God. Rather grace, salvation, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit are why we are ABLE to be obedient to Him.
(that's just me, sooooooo)
I fully accept "saved by grace through faith, and not by works......" for this is truth, but it does not excuse us from being obedient to the Word of God, and, especially His will. If people read that whole passage of Scripture, this is made perfectly clear............we are "purposed" by God. He has a "purpose" for us, and we are to be "obedient" to that purpose.
Grace does not excuse us from being obedient to God. Rather grace, salvation, and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit are why we are ABLE to be obedient to Him.
(that's just me, sooooooo)
.....and again..... Were you water baptized? Why? Do you celebrate Communion? Why? Do you STRIVE to walk Christ like on a daily basis? If so, why? Do you strive to keep the Two Greatest Commandments? If so, why?
See.............it gets a wee bit swampy when we do not accept the fact that being obedient to the Commandments of Christ are important to the Church. and, by the by circumcision (of the flesh) is not in force, as many/the majority of the other such Laws, and Scripture reveals this to us in the teachings of the Apostle Paul. However, he also teaches our need for obedience.
anyway..........
Were you water baptized? Why? Do you celebrate Communion? Why? Do you STRIVE to walk Christ like on a daily basis? If so, why? Do you strive to keep the Two Greatest Commandments? If so, why?See.............it gets a wee bit swampy when we do not accept the fact that being obedient to the Commandments of Christ are important to the Church. and, by the by circumcision (of the flesh) is not in force, as many/the majority of the other such Laws, and Scripture reveals this to us in the teachings of the Apostle Paul. However, he also teaches our need for obedience.
anyway..........
I agree, but this in no way "VOIDS" the 10 Commandments. Yes, IF we keep the First Two, then we are keeping the 10.
However, as you stated, we are not capable of ourselves to keep the 10, so, pray tell, what makes people think they can keep the Two Greatest? And, if they don't then, are they not GUILTY of breaking ALL of the Commandments?
Without GRACE, we are dead in our sin. Without unmerited GRACE and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, who comes to us AFTER we are "washed in the precious blood of Christ" which makes us "worthy" to be called His children, we are dead in our sin.
Still, the 10 Commandments are just as important to know and teach as the Two Greatest, and as all of the other Commandments Christ gave us........two important ones are Baptism and Communion.
Anyway...........just me...........ya know........wee elephant -------- da Legalist
However, as you stated, we are not capable of ourselves to keep the 10, so, pray tell, what makes people think they can keep the Two Greatest? And, if they don't then, are they not GUILTY of breaking ALL of the Commandments?
Without GRACE, we are dead in our sin. Without unmerited GRACE and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, who comes to us AFTER we are "washed in the precious blood of Christ" which makes us "worthy" to be called His children, we are dead in our sin.
Still, the 10 Commandments are just as important to know and teach as the Two Greatest, and as all of the other Commandments Christ gave us........two important ones are Baptism and Communion.
Anyway...........just me...........ya know........wee elephant -------- da Legalist
The only reason why Christians aren't under the law to work at it in their own strength and understanding is because they have something better.
The Lord Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit inside them.
We are Gods Workmanship now, created for good works.
Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Paul is making a statement here. Not really asking a question. You are not perfected by your work at the law. The law had its place to bring you to Christ. Now that you have come to Him the Law has no more place. Or I should say, your work at the law and your understanding of what that work is has no place.
It is the Spirit that we are governed by now. And when you really look into it, you will see that it is the Spirit that is the power to keep the law. Which makes sense because the Law is spiritual...
Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
This is the power that keeps the law. The Holy Spirit. And it is a gift. No one can boast of their work because this work doesn't come from them, but from God. We are His Workmanship.
He does a better job at keeping His Law than we ever could.
Yes i agree it is about why we keep Gods commandments that makes the difference. I believe in the Ten commandments and obey then for the same reason i believe and obey the command to be baptised. Is it written on our hearts or are we just doing it to be seen by man? Is it a burden or do you delight to do Gods will?
Psa_1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa_119:70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.
Psa_119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.
Psa_119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Is it your delight??
Psa_40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa_119:70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.
Psa_119:77 Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.
Psa_119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Is it your delight??