Why do Catholics break the Commandment about Idols?

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FlSnookman7

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Yes and you believe from your understanding that a child should not be baptized. I also believe logically it makes more sense. But a spiritual walk with God is not always logical.

I was baptized as a baby, and was raised up in the Catholic Church. Never again was I ever baptized. Yet Jesus called me into his ministry, gave me the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit has had me walk is a number of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and has kept me sin free for over forty years.

I have a very close relationship with Jesus Christ our Lord and God, and not once has he ever told me to be baptized again.

I too was raised catholic, fell away at an early age and then lead a life of sin until I was saved at 43. I had no intention of being baptized again as I felt then and still feel now it has nothing to do with salvation. God had other plans however and a couple of days before a baptism service at my church He gave me 3 distinct messages to be baptized. I had 3 complete strangers strike up conversations with me about baptism....I was stunned. I ended up getting baptized that Sunday and later was also baptized in the Holy Spirit. I talk of this not to show some need to be baptized but rather to show how each of us has our own walk to travel with God. It saddens me to see the angry and malicious attacks by those claiming to be Christians but I must remember that all are not who they claim to be. Anyone who gets so offended by another's walk probably needs to take a good hard look at their own faith and their relationship with God. This isn't just my opinion...

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth but that which is good to the use of edifying,that it may minister grace unto the hearers

Shalom.
 
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I too was raised catholic, fell away at an early age and then lead a life of sin until I was saved at 43. I had no intention of being baptized again as I felt then and still feel now it has nothing to do with salvation. God had other plans however and a couple of days before a baptism service at my church He gave me 3 distinct messages to be baptized. I had 3 complete strangers strike up conversations with me about baptism....I was stunned. I ended up getting baptized that Sunday and later was also baptized in the Holy Spirit. I talk of this not to show some need to be baptized but rather to show how each of us has our own walk to travel with God. It saddens me to see the angry and malicious attacks by those claiming to be Christians but I must remember that all are not who they claim to be. Anyone who gets so offended by another's walk probably needs to take a good hard look at their own faith and their relationship with God. This isn't just my opinion...

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth but that which is good to the use of edifying,that it may minister grace unto the hearers

Shalom.
I ask you then after you became baptized again did you receive the Holy Spirit? If you say yes will you give me what magnifications of that receiving of the Holy Spirit was?
Did you after being cleansed by your second baptism then continue to commit sin?
 

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I ask you then after you became baptized again did you receive the Holy Spirit? If you say yes will you give me what magnifications of that receiving of the Holy Spirit was?
Did you after being cleansed by your second baptism then continue to commit sin?
I received the Holy Spirit when I was born again, being baptized in water had nothing to do with it. As to the second part of your question, I also stopped being a sinner when I was saved and became a new creation in Christ. It is realizing who we really are that both allows us to follow Jesus' commandments and causes so much confusion here and elsewhere. It is very difficult to put aside our egos and believe what God says we are instead of what we think or feel we are, it is in fact a process that allows our eyes to be opened to God's truth. I am not saying salvation is a process, only our understanding of it.
 

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Did you after being cleansed by your second baptism then continue to commit sin?
I will tell you what sins you commit even now. Spiritual pride, not loving God as you should all the time. That is two for you to think about,
 
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I will tell you what sins you commit even now. Spiritual pride, not loving God as you should all the time. That is two for you to think about,
You can’t answer my questions, but you can call me a sinner. Wow! That baptism sure did you a lot of God.

You answered my post to someone else, did not notice that. Judging me is a sin. I don’t need to answer one who is of the devil. A sinner is of the devil scripture says so.
(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”
 
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I received the Holy Spirit when I was born again, being baptized in water had nothing to do with it. As to the second part of your question, I also stopped being a sinner when I was saved and became a new creation in Christ. It is realizing who we really are that both allows us to follow Jesus' commandments and causes so much confusion here and elsewhere. It is very difficult to put aside our egos and believe what God says we are instead of what we think or feel we are, it is in fact a process that allows our eyes to be opened to God's truth. I am not saying salvation is a process, only our understanding of it.
Jesus is my constant companion. Jesus/Holy Spirit direct everything done by me. There is never a time that God would allow Satan/sin of any kind enter me. I have given my life/will to God many years ago, Jesus has decided how I lived ever sense.

If one deliberately commits a wrongdoing he or she is of the devil, and God is not going to reside in the same home as the devil.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
 

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If you were Baptized as a baby Johnlove then you do need to be re-baptized as an adult.

Acts 2:38
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Since as a baby you did not and could not Repent of your sins, your Baptism is a false Baptism.

But we do not receive Salvation by Baptism. Since the Catholic Church misinterprets the Scriptures to teach we receive Salvation by Baptism, you also need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Because as it stands you have not received your Salvation and you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved

We are saved by God's Grace, not by Baptism.

Until you accept Jesus and Repent and be Baptized you cannot enter into Heaven Johnlove.

You have been lied to and deceived by the Catholic Church. If you truly want to be with God please consider the Words of God and not the traditions of the Catholic Church.
 
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If you were Baptized as a baby Johnlove then you do need to be re-baptized as an adult.

Acts 2:38
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Since as a baby you did not and could not Repent of your sins, your Baptism is a false Baptism.

But we do not receive Salvation by Baptism. Since the Catholic Church misinterprets the Scriptures to teach we receive Salvation by Baptism, you also need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Because as it stands you have not received your Salvation and you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved

We are saved by God's Grace, not by Baptism.

Until you accept Jesus and Repent and be Baptized you cannot enter into Heaven Johnlove.

You have been lied to and deceived by the Catholic Church. If you truly want to be with God please consider the Words of God and not the traditions of the Catholic Church.
So I should obey your understanding of the written Word of God? Jesus tells me no, that I don’t need to be baptized with water again. Has Jesus told you when to get baptized? If so how do you know it was Jesus that told you that?

By the way I am not Catholic, nor am I Protestant, I am a Christian, and I don’t believe Catholics or Protestants are Christian.
 
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Jesus is our example, And He was the Son of God before He was baptised., And people have to become children of God before they can be baptised, So Jesus proves that there is no power in baptism to regenerate.
Jesus said, First make disciples, Then baptise them.

The RCC says, Baptized then Then make them disciples. The complete opposite to what the Bible says.
NO my friend that is not what the bible says:

[FONT=&quot]John.3 “[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“[5] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you,unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matt.28 Verses 19 to 20 “[/FONT][FONT=&quot][19] [YOU!] Go therefore and makedisciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of theSon and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all thatI have commanded YOU! and lo, I am with YOU! always, to the close of theage."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]My friend have you everbeen exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Never Ever; can, may or DOES[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]One verse, passage orteaching have the power or authority to[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Invalidate, make void oroverride another Verse, passage or teaching:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Were this even theslightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless toteach or learn Christ Faith[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]2Peter 1: 19-21[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And we have the morefirm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light thatshineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in yourhearts: [/FONT][FONT=&quot][20][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Understanding this first, that noprophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][21][/FONT][FONT=&quot] For prophecy came not by the will of manat any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][Douay explanation][/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][20] Noprophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shewsplainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's privatejudgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures werewritten by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church;therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which hehath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth tothe end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret thescriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to thejudgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Wheneversomething is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God gettingHis way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Lifebooklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]2[SUP]nd[/SUP]. Peter 3:14-18 [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to befound by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count theforbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paulwrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as hedoes in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand,which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do theother scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand,beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your ownstability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and SaviorJesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”

Please note that in John 3:5 & Mt 28: 19-20 that Jesus {GOD} demands Baptism precisely because it's primary {but nit only effect} is to make the Baptized person MARKED FOR CHRIST; a Child of God.

God Bless you
Patrick[/FONT]

Originally Posted by DeaconMike

No my friend . It comes from Christ. We see the effects in Jesus ' own baptism. As Jesus is being baptized the Holy Spirit comes down on Jesus " behold my beloved Son". This is what happens to us when we are baptized. Christ in his baptism is anticipating his own death and resurrection. That is why when we are baptized we share in Christ's death and ressurection. After HS occurance Jesus seals with Jesus n the necessity of beng born from above/ again through water. After this conversation Jesus goes out to the country side and holds altar calls! No!! They go out to the countryside and baptize
Your theology of bsptism is a result of Reformstional thought.
 

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The problem Johnlove is the Scriptures say Repent first then be Baptized. Its a two fold command.

First, we are to Repent of our sins.
Second we are to be Baptized.

Not be Baptized without Repentance.

I do not see you as a Christian when you teach Baptism without Repentance. What good is it being Baptized with no Repentance?

Its almost seems as if you believe we receive Salvation by Baptism. Therefore if Salvation is received by Baptism then you point would be valid.

Unfortunately for you, without repenting your Baptism is null and void.

Every place in the Scriptures where they were Baptized Repentance was also included.

I was Baptized TWICE!!!!

Because my Baptism as a baby did not count!!!
 

valiant

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You can’t answer my questions, but you can call me a sinner. Wow! That baptism sure did you a lot of God.

You answered my post to someone else, did not notice that. Judging me is a sin. I don’t need to answer one who is of the devil. A sinner is of the devil scripture says so.
(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”
I have completely answered your questions, you just don't like the answers,

ALL posts on here are to everyone whether we direct them or not.

I have reported your further comment,
 
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working4christ2

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The problem Johnlove is the Scriptures say Repent first then be Baptized. Its a two fold command.

First, we are to Repent of our sins.
Second we are to be Baptized.

Not be Baptized without Repentance.

I do not see you as a Christian when you teach Baptism without Repentance. What good is it being Baptized with no Repentance?

Its almost seems as if you believe we receive Salvation by Baptism. Therefore if Salvation is received by Baptism then you point would be valid.

Unfortunately for you, without repenting your Baptism is null and void.

Every place in the Scriptures where they were Baptized Repentance was also included.

I was Baptized TWICE!!!!

Because my Baptism as a baby did not count!!!
REALLY and it says that WHERE in the bible??????????

THIS IS WHAT MY BIBLE TEACHES

[h=3]John.3:[5] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.[/h][h=3]Matt.28 Verses 19 to 20 "[19] {YOU} Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded YOU; and lo, I am with YOU always, to the close of the age."[/h]My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another Verse, passage or teaching:

Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or learn Christ Faith

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay explanation]

[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

2[SUP]nd[/SUP]. Peter 3: 14-18
“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”

God Bless you

Patrick
 

valiant

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Jesus is my constant companion. Jesus/Holy Spirit direct everything done by me. There is never a time that God would allow Satan/sin of any kind enter me. I have given my life/will to God many years ago, Jesus has decided how I lived ever sense.

If one deliberately commits a wrongdoing he or she is of the devil, and God is not going to reside in the same home as the devil.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
I love people who think they are sinless when their sin is obvious to everyone around.

When you go through a real time of trial you will finally recognise it yourself,

The devil has you entrapped my friend.

remember one of those listening to His words would deny Him three times that night, the others would forsake him and flee, I don't suppose you count that as deliberate sin?
 
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Acts 2:38
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus did tell the Disciples to make go and make Disciples and Baptize them. That is not in dispute. Peter said to these new Disciples Repent and be Baptized.

There was no private interpretation here on my part. The real problem is with you, working4christ2, cherry picking verses that do not mention repentance as part of Baptism.

Why do you fell the need to deceive the Children of God with Doctrines from Satan?

You may very well hate where God says we need to Repent, but we cannot in all good conscience ignore to our peril what the Holy Spirit says. Clearly the Spirit teaches we are to repent and we are to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and we are to be Baptized.

How can this be ever clearer?

Look at acts 2:28. How can this be my private interpretation when clearly the Holy Spirit say Repent and then be Baptized?

We must not allow the mistake of intentionally leaving out Scriptures just to prove our Doctrines. We must listen to the whole Truth and accept it.

I believe this is why we have Churches today like the Catholic Church, the JW's, the Mormons among our mist.
 

valiant

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REALLY and it says that WHERE in the bible??????????
where does it teach infants should be baptised?




THIS IS WHAT MY BIBLE TEACHES

John.3:[5] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
And what does that mean? It cannot refer to John's baptism for that was a baptism unto repentance. It cannot refer to the future baptism after Pentecost for that could not have been known to Nicodemus.#



It refers of course to Isaiah 44.1-5; 55.10-13. He had to be born of the water of the Spirit. The Spirit blows where HE wills. not where man wills (John 3.7).

Matt.28 Verses 19 to 20 "[19] {YOU} Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded YOU; and lo, I am with YOU always, to the close of the age."


they would not be baptised without a change of mind (repentance) first. They would be baptised AFTER they became disciples,


My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?
LOL you mean many rules


Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another Verse, passage or teaching:
true but they all have to be correctly interpreted on the basis of what the Scripture SAYS.

Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or learn Christ Faith
Your teaching certainly is not. it distorts the message of the Bible and adds much to it.

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay explanation]
this means that the prophets did not give their private interpretations when GIVING the word of God, Each recipient must interpret for himself as the prophets clearly show.

[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation:
you are wrong in your interpretation lol. Read it more carefully


This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost,
it means that as they spoke by the Holy Spirit the prophets were not GIVING their own interpretation,


and declared as such by the Church;
I don't see any mention of the church LOL

therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise.
especially Martin Luther LOL Oh no he read it himself. He got rid of many of the traditions which had perverted Scripture.


 
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The main point is not about Private Interpretation, but all about false Prophets who appear in sheep clothing trying to deceive the very elect with their doctrines from Satan. Its Satan who is attacking the True Church, and its the disciples of Satan who are trying to bring down God.

To your peril working4christ2 you are doing the will of your father.
 
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NO my friend that is not what the bible says:

John.3“[5] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you,unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
Matt.28 Verses 19 to 20 “[19] [YOU!] Go therefore and makedisciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of theSon and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all thatI have commanded YOU! and lo, I am with YOU! always, to the close of theage."

My friend have you everbeen exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage orteaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void oroverride another Verse, passage or teaching:

Were this even theslightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless toteach or learn Christ Faith

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the morefirm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light thatshineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in yourhearts: [20] Understanding this first, that noprophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of manat any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.[Douay explanation]
[20] Noprophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shewsplainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's privatejudgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures werewritten by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church;therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which hehath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth tothe end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret thescriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to thejudgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes“Wheneversomething is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God gettingHis way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Lifebooklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

2[SUP]nd[/SUP]. Peter 3:14-18
Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to befound by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count theforbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paulwrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as hedoes in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand,which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do theother scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand,beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your ownstability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and SaviorJesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”

Please note that in John 3:5 & Mt 28: 19-20 that Jesus {GOD} demands Baptism precisely because it's primary {but nit only effect} is to make the Baptized person MARKED FOR CHRIST; a Child of God.

God Bless you
Patrick

Originally Posted by DeaconMike

No my friend . It comes from Christ. We see the effects in Jesus ' own baptism. As Jesus is being baptized the Holy Spirit comes down on Jesus " behold my beloved Son". This is what happens to us when we are baptized. Christ in his baptism is anticipating his own death and resurrection. That is why when we are baptized we share in Christ's death and ressurection. After HS occurance Jesus seals with Jesus n the necessity of beng born from above/ again through water. After this conversation Jesus goes out to the country side and holds altar calls! No!! They go out to the countryside and baptize
Your theology of bsptism is a result of Reformstional thought.



Please note, Jesus never said anything about water baptism in Jn 3: 3--8 DID HE??, No. and every time Jesus meant baptism, He clearly said so.

Matt 28: 19. Jesus said "Make disciples, Christians, then baptise them". KJV, & Greek.

The Bible and the Biblical Greek prove that baptism doesn't save.
 

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By the way I am not Catholic, nor am I Protestant, I am a Christian, and I don’t believe Catholics or Protestants are Christian.
So only people who live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus did) are Christians? Everyone else is a non-Christian according to you? So only people who are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness are Christians in your book. Got it. :rolleyes:
 

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Please note, Jesus never said anything about water baptism in Jn 3: 3--8 DID HE??, No. and every time Jesus meant baptism, He clearly said so.
Amen! Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit." He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit. If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If that sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. Plain ordinary H20 has no power to cleanse the heart from sin.

Matt 28: 19. Jesus said "Make disciples, Christians, then baptise them". KJV, & Greek.
Amen! We have here a command from Christ to go and make disciples of all nations, then baptize them. However, it does not say here that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation.

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
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Baptism does not save us!

Its the Grace of God that saves us, not Baptism like the children of Satan teach.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved