healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain

followjesus · Jul 22, 2016

honestly I completely disagree. what a person wears isn't a reflection of their heart for god. that may be how you personally feel, but to me it seems the people judging someone on how they are dressed is the one who needs to look at their actions and consider repentance. but just as that's your opinion, that's mine. I prefer a pastor in a tshirt and jeans and full pews with a variety of colors and styles as long as the gospel is being taught and accepted, I can pretty confidently claim that God is pleased on the other hand if everyones wearing designer clothes and the preaching is how to increase weaith or how to be saved without responsibility of how you treat others, including Jesus the king and Lord.....I think Gods probably not to pleased even though they are dressed better lol

its a matter of righteousness, peace and brotherly love. not whether I myself approve of anothers attire, as long as their covered respectably I'm ok with fellowshipping and praising God along side of them. maybe a lot of folks just have a different fashion sense, I would suggest maybe consider whether its you that has a n issue with how others dress, or if that's something that should even be a consideration, again, so long as a persons not naked or wearing a satanic shirt or something . I think God definitely cares little about our taste in clithes or whether we feel like its disrespectful to not wear a tie and coat to church you know....but that's just my own thinking

oldethennew · Jul 22, 2016

LaurenTM said:

again, because for some reason you missed the post where I said I hardly have watched him, this is not about a defense of anyone; rather a defense of what Christ has already done

I defend God's unmerited favor

I don't defend anyone else; I'm sure God probably does though

this sarcastic response of yours does not serve any purpose IMO

scripture says that the earth is God's footstool...if you think the world is getting poorer and poorer, do you suppose it is getting worse as more and more turn from God and accept secular human reasoning and a diluted gospel that attacks others if they have more?[/QUOTE

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Laruen,

we had not read your post, - and we have never felt that either of us have ever needed to
defend Jesus Christ"s 'un-merited favor'...on the other hand, we have been given free-reign to defend
all members of Christ's Body, if led to do so, and PRAYERFULLY with great love and thankfulness...

followjesus · Jul 22, 2016

LaurenTM said:

who suggested that you saying no to worldly desires made you better than an axe murderer? ill tell you what tho, if that axe murderer doesn't stop murdering people hes headed to hell whether he claims finished work or not. you just like me, jp, any other human will be judged on what we said and also what we did. what you said here your saying no to sin daily, that's repentance, glad to hear your in that process. its a necessaty.

would your doctrines work for say a child molester? would he or she need to stop molesting the child ? or could they just say finished work? are that axe murderer you mentioned? does jesus finished work mean he doesn't HAVE to stop killing and can still be saved? or a rapist should he take that doctrine of no guilt allowed for sin, wouldn't that doctrine just encourage a severe sinner who is obviously controlled by the sinful nater to not worry about stopping my terrible sin just shout grace grace?

that doctrine is just alien really. you are seeing that message because you want it to be true. so you pluck a verse and avoid the rest about repentance essential, obedience essential ect. your guys arguments always always come back to say anyone saying obey Jesus is working for salvation or self effort its ridiculous to me and I'm sure others. Jesus was all about obedience to God, said in fact that's why God loved and was pleased with Him. Jesus also said. if you obey him, God will love you and come to you and live with and in you. he also instructed chsame he said go teach the world to obey my commands....

you explain to me how jps grace revolution disagrees with the vast majority of clear scripture, but somehow is right? nonsense should be the next title of His next bookd . Jesus didn't just give grace friend, he gave righteousness for you and I and them to actually live in that's life. can hide behind oh to obey is self effort forever, but you sure are disregarding the truth that is throughought Gods word.

ill stick with Giving God every ounce of effort I can muster and ill even find a way to stand for Jesus when I cant because I know he holds me up. I'm his, belong to Jesus, I have a king, have a lord, a teacher, he is the one who says obey me. the same who died for me, so my heart will never fade ive seen what happens when your heart is all jesus never going back to mistaught grace its just a trap

ladylynn · Jul 22, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

So true Bruce!!! It is a shocking assault on the human brain to step out in faith and accept His love. To find this never ending source! Each time Jesus shows up and out in my life I am always in shock that He still has more to show me about His love (grace). There is always MORE. Funny too how those old hymns keep popping in my brain (More more about Jesus..more more about Jesus more of His saving fullness see, more of His love that died for me)

I want to give testimony of how great His love is and how He will meet our needs and our wants too. He knows what we need and He actually "tailors" what He gifts us to fit us. Many believers are under the impression that God gets tired of hearing from us. That God is annoyed at our constantly coming to Him and asking for things. But the TRUTH is totally the other way around!!! When we go to Him., we are acknowledging Him just as He has told us to do in the Bible. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean NOT to your own understanding...In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths."

Trying to meet our needs apart from Him is a fast track to a no where situation. After getting off the fast track to no where at age 50 something., I began learning how to allow Him to take my life it was a learning experience that took time and takes time. How do we work to rest and rest to work? In Jesus the impossible IS possible. Being totally UNWORTHY in myself., while yet being totally WORTHY in Christ.

When I first heard about the grace of God in Christ for me just a few years ago., it was then God's hand began moving in my daily life. I saw Him move impossible barriers that used to stop me all the time. He just set them aside as if they were nothing. I saw the total impossibility of the hurdle on the one hand and then., how it was totally gone on the other. MIRACLE! oh wow., words to the song popped into my mind...

Years I spent in vanity and pride, caring not my Lord was crucified, Knowing not it was for me He died On Calvary...

Mercy there was great and grace was free! Pardon there was multiplied to me!
There my burdened soul found liberty!! at Calvary!!

By God's Word at last my sin I learned; Then I trembled at the Law I'd spurned, Till my guilty soul imploring turned to Calvary!!

Mercy there was great and grace was free! Pardon there was multiplied to me!
There my burdened soul found liberty!! at Calvary!!

Now I've given to Jesus everything Now I gladly own Him as my King., Now my raptured soul can only sing of Calvary.

Mercy there was great and grace was free! Pardon there was multiplied to me!
There my burdened soul found liberty!! at Calvary!!

Oh the love that drew salvation's plan, oh the grace that brought it down to man! Oh the mighty gulf that God did span at Calvary!!

Mercy there was great and grace was free! Pardon there was multiplied to me!
There my burdened soul found liberty!! at Calvary!!

Although this song is probably only meant for someone first saved., I see it actually is for those of us who are saved and have gotten a revelation of His grace for us personally. How grace will propel us to higher ground in our faith and trust and dependence on Jesus.

I sort of feel like a major prodigal daughter or a kind of Joseph who was sold into slavery by his brothers. Left out in the world naked without help and treated like a slave. Having nothing but the cloths on my back sort of speak. No family no friends no means of support just like Joseph when he was in the slave market being looked over and judged by strangers. Gone from being a safe son to being a no body and a slave to be bought and sold and used.

But God was with Joseph. (and me) God taught Joseph how to survive by depending on Him. It took some time but Joseph kept following God although confused at times and hurting he was not alone. God gave Joseph favor with those he came in contact with. God was with Joseph and although Joseph was not perfect God was with him. Soon Joseph was up and out of the impossible mess he was in and God renewed his life. And in my case He is restoring the years the locusts have eaten.

I see the similarities and although I am not a Joseph, I'm a daughter who Jesus is with. And He has done amazing and impossible things to and for me in only a few years. Like Psalm 91 states so clearly for us if we just listen and believe.
Bible gateway from the Amplified Bible version;

[h=3]Security of the One Who Trusts in the Lord.[/h]91 He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the shelter of the Most High
Will remain secure and rest in the shadow of the Almighty [whose power no enemy can withstand].
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
My God, in whom I trust [with great confidence, and on whom I rely]!”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]
For He will save you from the trap of the fowler,
And from the deadly pestilence.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]
He will cover you and completely protect you with His pinions,
And under His wings you will find refuge;
His faithfulness is a shield and a wall.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]
You will not be afraid of the terror of night,
Nor of the arrow that flies by day,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]
Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness,
Nor of the destruction (sudden death) that lays waste at noon.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]
A thousand may fall at your side
And ten thousand at your right hand,
But danger will not come near you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]
You will only [be a spectator as you] look on with your eyes
And witness the [divine] repayment of the wicked [as you watch safely from the shelter of the Most High].
[SUP]9 [/SUP]
Because you have made the Lord, [who is] my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]
No evil will befall you,
Nor will any plague come near your tent.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]
For He will command His angels in regard to you,
To protect and defend and guard you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
[SUP]12 [/SUP]
They will lift you up in their hands,
So that you do not [even] strike your foot against a stone.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
You will tread upon the lion and cobra;
The young lion and the serpent you will trample underfoot.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]
“Because he set his love on Me, therefore I will save him;
I will set him [securely] on high, because he knows My name [he confidently trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never abandon him, no, never].
[SUP]15 [/SUP]
“He will call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will rescue him and honor him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
“With a long life I will satisfy him
And I will let him see My salvation.”

Don't rationalize God's promises with human reasoning. Just take those promises and claim them as yours because they are IN Christ yours. And watch Him bring them to pass in your life. I've found He has healed me progressively and is still healing me of many different issues both mentally and physically.
Some 10 fold., some 50 fold., some 100 fold. There is always more to learn and more healing to be had.

followjesus · Jul 22, 2016

God4me said:

really they aren't biblically ignorant they study and see whats there. the doctrine has deceived their minds so then ANYTHING that disagrees with unwarranted favor alone becomes self effort and some herecy in their minds. its not the people its the doctrine that they accepted. its the misteaching of Grace, Grace is great and true, its not what they teach and believe. it does not in any way make our actions irrelevant for salvation. to say I believe does not guarantee eternal life. way. wayyyy to many clear teachings need to be omitted to claim that as truth.

the finished work they talk of is truly finished, what is finished is the excuse to not obey Jesus. Grace is not a substitute for righteousness, but it is a provision for the righteousness of Christ. it is freedom from sin, they see it as freedom from punishment whther they serve sin or not. ive heard so many arguments. even if a person sins, they aren't sinning and don't even need to confess or repent, because finished work. well, that's not the bible. repentance confession, obedience to God righteousness in truth. that's the bible. this doctrine is really just made out of thin air based on the dictionary definition " unwarranted favor" to this doctrine unwarranted favor says all that needs to be said. theres 20 times more in the nt about how we actually live, what we do than unwarranted favor. that's found in a few singular verses distorted and added together to pretend to decipher some secret message that disregards all the rest. grace is a part of salvation, its purpose is to be=ring sinners into those driven by obedience to what is right.

its always been about right and wrong from adam all the way to the last chaopter of revelation. the wicked in their actions have a destiny, the righteous in Christ have a destiny. right and wrong. don't eat the fruit. the simplest thing is.....Gods ways are right. even the law. its wrong to steal, kill, lie, cheat, put another God before the one true and only God.....His ways are right and good. that itself should be enough for someone "saved" by grace. okay your saved...now what does your heart say? does the phrase " obedience to Jesus commands" offend you now that Grace saved you? or does that phrase turn a light on in your heart? a new man will gladly want to and willingly give all their heart to God, their actions their lives. if any person really has accepted what Jesus has done, obedience cant be a constant debate labeled " self work" you don't believe in jesus because you set your heart to obey him??? really just ridiculous i cant argue with that group theres no cracking those roots only God can do that, so.....we speak truth in Love whether they hate, accept, consider, are offended......truth is truth.

Grace777x70 · Jul 22, 2016

Legalism - in the biblical sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for one-self an acceptable standing before God.

Whenever our assurance of salvation rests upon our "performance" rather then upon the "promises" of God that are Yes and Amen in Christ - we are in big trouble - we have fallen from grace to rely on our own self-effort so grace does not flow to us.

Obedience in the New Covenant:

In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience.

Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.

Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.

ladylynn · Jul 22, 2016

Beautiful song worth hearing. AmyGrant. Breath of Heaven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2OBT-5qfc

Stephen63 · Jul 22, 2016

followjesus said:

Willie-T said:

Well, since the Op knows so little about communion & healing, perhaps with your great knowledge you wouldn't mind enlightening us with the scriptures that prove JP's teaching.

Willie-T · Jul 22, 2016

Stephen63 said:

I plainly wrote how you can know. Do like I did, and read what he has written on the subject, instead of hoping to get the Cliff Notes in a forum post.

Stephen63 · Jul 22, 2016

Willie-T said:

I suggest you read your Bible:

1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]For every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are announcing the Lord’s death until he comes again. [SUP]27 [/SUP]So anyone who eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord unworthily is guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]That is why you should examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. [SUP]30 [/SUP]That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (YLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In like manner also the cup after the supping, saying, `This cup is the new covenant in my blood; this do ye, as often as ye may drink it --to the remembrance of me;' [SUP]26 [/SUP]for as often as ye may eat this bread, and this cup may drink, the death of the Lord ye do shew forth--till he may come; [SUP]27 [/SUP]so that whoever may eat this bread or may drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, guilty he shall be of the body and blood of the Lord: [SUP]28 [/SUP]and let a man be proving himself, and so of the bread let him eat, and of the cup let him drink; [SUP]29 [/SUP]for he who is eating and drinking unworthily, judgment to himself he doth eat and drink--not discerning the body of the Lord. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Because of this, among you many are weak and sickly, and sleep do many; [SUP]31 [/SUP]for if ourselves we were discerning, we would not be being judged, [SUP]32 [/SUP]and being judged by the Lord, we are chastened, that with the world we may not be condemned;

Receiving communion "unworthily" means taking it with unconfessed, unrepentant sin in your life. If you knew the scriptures, you'd know the Corinthians had a lot of that.

Stephen63 · Jul 22, 2016

Willie-T said:

I don't care how you know he FEELS he got it from scripture..... that don't mean Jack. It's not there. Joseph Prince made it all up.

Stephen63 · Jul 22, 2016

gb9 said:

My..... that's straining at a knat & swallowing a camel if I've ever seen it! You cover JP's sins & ride this in the ground like a dead horse.

Stephen63 · Jul 22, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

True grace believers do..... but not hypergracers. This statement is deceptive.

popeye · Jul 22, 2016

Cue John the baptist walking out of the woods with half a locust in his teeth as he smiles at you.

A piece of camel hide for a garment.

Then you point an accusing finger at him. "repent John,you slob"

Stephen63 · Jul 22, 2016

Willie-T said:

[video=youtube;SPIaS2ijNr8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPIaS2ijNr8[/video]

I'll tell you what I hope..... I hope you open your eyes & see this fraud for who he really is..... not for just the sake of the truth, but that the truth would free you from these lies.

followjesus · Jul 22, 2016

Stephen63 said:

healing is taught clearly, communion is taught clearly. my point is simple. saying " taking communion is how to receive your healing" is not found anywhere in Gods word, is not taught by any writer in the bible. jp is supposedly a pastor speaking some revelation of grace that's been hidden or something. so one of two things. either hes a super apostle with some authority to make new doctrines that completely disagree with t=what the word says of healing by the laying on of hands from those gifted with great faith. and really just make up a proinciple that communion is how to be healed. its all based on supporting His false doctrine of grace alone no responsibility. this guy twists almost every message he gives. to be clear I'm not his judge, but God made us to recognize truth and fallacy and instructed us to test the spirit offered. I have and this doctrine is of the enemy. its the same as the serpents doctrine in eden. sin cant kill you pshh....that fruit will make you wise. bad call......same idea from the same serpent with the same forked tongue.

not a surprise at all tho were told many times that many false teachers were coming, especially we are warned repeatedly about the false doctrine that distorts Grace, that's what this grace revolution doctrine is, a distortion of Grace enduring from the days of the nt writers, paul makes a point to teach that our behavior is essentially important. as do all the nt writers.

followjesus · Jul 23, 2016

Stephen63 said:

yeah grace is true, modern grace like jps grace is a false doctrine plain and simple. flase teacher who created a world friendly doctrine that sells to the masses salvation with no responsibility. that's not grace. Grace is great and true, its just mistaught by the modern grace is everything movement, and distorted into a doctrine that requires nothing from us because jesus died and rose. just verse plucking making a change and omission in the right place to sell the new age ideas of a new way to be saved other than the only true Gospel

God4me · Jul 23, 2016

followjesus said:

Of cause what a person wears reflect their heart for God, If a person had the love of God in him, [A love for God], They would dress smart for Him.

The trouble with todays Christians, is, Their hearts have been hardened towards God and they have no respect for God.
I take you area scruffy dresser.
When you get full of the Holy Spirit, [If you ever will], You'll see how unrespectable it is for Minister to dress scruffy for God.
They have nor respect for God, their ministry or the people they minister to.
To many people have had their conscience severed from what is right, and they have been deceived by the modern day Christian.

God4me · Jul 23, 2016

followjesus said:

really they aren't biblically ignorant they study and see whats there. the doctrine has deceived their minds so then ANYTHING that disagrees with unwarranted favor alone becomes self effort and some herecy in their minds. its not the people its the doctrine that they accepted. its the misteaching of Grace, Grace is great and true, its not what they teach and believe. it does not in any way make our actions irrelevant for salvation. to say I believe does not guarantee eternal life. way. wayyyy to many clear teachings need to be omitted to claim that as truth.

the finished work they talk of is truly finished, what is finished is the excuse to not obey Jesus. Grace is not a substitute for righteousness, but it is a provision for the righteousness of Christ. it is freedom from sin, they see it as freedom from punishment whther they serve sin or not. ive heard so many arguments. even if a person sins, they aren't sinning and don't even need to confess or repent, because finished work. well, that's not the bible. repentance confession, obedience to God righteousness in truth. that's the bible. this doctrine is really just made out of thin air based on the dictionary definition " unwarranted favor" to this doctrine unwarranted favor says all that needs to be said. theres 20 times more in the nt about how we actually live, what we do than unwarranted favor. that's found in a few singular verses distorted and added together to pretend to decipher some secret message that disregards all the rest. grace is a part of salvation, its purpose is to be=ring sinners into those driven by obedience to what is right.

its always been about right and wrong from adam all the way to the last chaopter of revelation. the wicked in their actions have a destiny, the righteous in Christ have a destiny. right and wrong. don't eat the fruit. the simplest thing is.....Gods ways are right. even the law. its wrong to steal, kill, lie, cheat, put another God before the one true and only God.....His ways are right and good. that itself should be enough for someone "saved" by grace. okay your saved...now what does your heart say? does the phrase " obedience to Jesus commands" offend you now that Grace saved you? or does that phrase turn a light on in your heart? a new man will gladly want to and willingly give all their heart to God, their actions their lives. if any person really has accepted what Jesus has done, obedience cant be a constant debate labeled " self work" you don't believe in jesus because you set your heart to obey him??? really just ridiculous i cant argue with that group theres no cracking those roots only God can do that, so.....we speak truth in Love whether they hate, accept, consider, are offended......truth is truth.

If the followers of JP weren't Biblically ignorant, They would leave his Church and teachings, and go where the true Biblical grace is taught.

God4me · Jul 23, 2016

LaurenTM said:

enter the naked prophet..remember him?

see, this is what happens when people mix their opinions and what is and what is not acceptable to God in with the truth

1In the year that the supreme commander, sent by Sargon king of Assyria, came to Ashdod and attacked and captured it— 2at that time the Lord spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, “Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet.” And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot.3Then the Lord said, “Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,[SUP]a[/SUP] 4so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt’s shame. 5Those who trusted in Cush and boasted in Egypt will be dismayed and put to shame. 6In that day the people who live on this coast will say, ‘See what has happened to those we relied on, those we fled to for help and deliverance from the king of Assyria! How then can we escape?’ ” Isaiah 20

I tell you what; God has some funny ideas, right? must be that He does not have our mind which is why He tells us that His thoughts are much higher than our thoughts

what would you think if you saw a naked man walking down the street and he told you God told him to do that?

I know what most of us would think and maybe Isaiah got the same kind of feedback

If a man walked down the street naked, He would be arrested, So God wouldn't tell anyone to do that.
You are being silly and missing the point.

healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain

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