Children forced to take Vaccines or not be able to go to school

[JosephsDreams]

HIV (Random example) cannot be fought by sanitation/ healthy lifestyle / organic foods, why do you assume other deadly diseases do?

Your flat out wrong. I know people who have HIV and are living for decades without taking meds.
They changed their lifestyle.
At this point in time, because of the indoctrination of our society, you really can't understand this.
Even though I explained the essentials earlier in this thread.
That's fine. I have seen this type of response hundreds of times.
Some go on to get it, some don't.
Its all good. The main focus is Jesus regardless.
He made health and diet secondary, so no biggie in the bigger heavenly picture.

 

[Depleted]

So what would be the #1 preventative action to eliminate HPV?

How has that worked for you? Is it true that the only person you've ever had sex with in 52 years was your wife and the only person she has ever had sex with you?

I am a Christian and I was a virgin before hubby came along. He was a Christian, but he was married before. His wife cheated -- twice. So, the reality is, I could have gotten it from him, her, the two guys hubby knows about and all the others she slept with. So, how does prevention work for you?

Do you really think monogamous is safe even in this day and age?

 

[Ultimatum77]

My husband was in the hospital and nursing home for six months. I've seen lots and lots of doctors and nurses around him. Know what I learned? The medical profession can be, and often is, even more ignorant then the rest of us.

Are you the nurse who folded him in half to fit in the lift?

Are you the nurse who thought the best way to feed him ice was with her fingers, two little chips at a time once an hour?

Are you the nurse yelling at him to turn over when he couldn't even twitch anything but his right index finger?

Are you the doctor who took six weeks to decide to give him a complete scopy and then concluded he wasn't internally bleeding because nothing in his digestive system was bleeding when the scope went by, but give him two more pints of blood because he needed it?

Are you the doctor who watched him go down fast, but still thought he should go home after the weekend and if he bled that much again, I could lift up the 240 pound man to put him in the car and take him back to the hospital for more blood?

Are you the doctor who couldn't figure out, even after 50 units of blood, that maybe the Warfarin AND Heparin wasn't a good idea to continue?

Trust me when I say, just because you're in the medical field doesn't make you qualified. Been there, still have the scars, and now know how to stop believing such utter nonsense.

I also don't get my info from some site that boast of being anonymous.

Honestly, this has zero relevance to the conversation in comparing me to some bad experiences with HC providers. There are good and bad ones. I am not a doctor/nurse but a pharmacist. However, unlike most of the medical professionals who blindly accept everything fed to them like gerber baby food. I question everything and research about it. I don't take the cooked clinical data (yes most drugs are bribed to get approved via FDA it's a fact) but analyze the real life outcomes/effects of vaccines on patients some of whom I have treated. Do I still give vaccines? Yes as it is required as part of my job and providing a service to the customer. Do i go recommending every vaccine to every individual just because some book says to? no...that's between them and their doctor....but I do warn those I know friends/family about staying away from this garbage.....b/c it hurts more than helps which violates the oath most HC people take of doing no harm.....

 

[Ultimatum77]

Your flat out wrong. I know people who have HIV and are living for decades without taking meds.
They changed their lifestyle.
At this point in time, because of the indoctrination of our society, you really can't understand this.
Even though I explained the essentials earlier in this thread.
That's fine. I have seen this type of response hundreds of times.
Some go on to get it, some don't.
Its all good. The main focus is Jesus regardless.
He made health and diet secondary, so no biggie in the bigger heavenly picture.

You are right brother! Oxygen treatment works great for eliminating the AIDS virus, unfortunately it is super expensive. But maintenance drugs like zidovudine, and abacvir....just keep the virus in check sort of like a tollbooth barrier....but don't eliminate the virus itself.....

AIDS drugs are such a ripoff it's ridiculous the prices for even a once a month pill....

 

[KimPetras]

There is no misinformation....the links I posted about alternative ways to prevent HPV are legit....and doesn't require getting shot....lol

There is misinformation in your link... It says abstinence is the only 100% way to avoid it. Wrong, it's already been proven that some people have gotten it from their mother (unless you suggest all the mothers had sexual relations with their child?).

What's funny is the link you posted used vaccination as it's greatest course of preventing HPV... did you even read your own link?

They also say to limit the number of partners... this doesn't PREVENT HPV, but it reduces the chances of it spreading marginally. Consider Russian roulette, why settle for 1/6 chance to get shot when we can remove the one round in the barrel and have a 0/6 chance of blowing our head off? 0/6 sounds a lot better than 1/6...

 

[Depleted]

There is no misinformation....the links I posted about alternative ways to prevent HPV are legit....and doesn't require getting shot....lol

When you get your info from Anonymous, fair game to call you on your lack of due diligence.

Here's a site that teaches how stuffed animals sow carrot seeds. Should I take that to mean stuffed animals can grow plants?

Source matters.

 

[Depleted]

Honestly, this has zero relevance to the conversation in comparing me to some bad experiences with HC providers. There are good and bad ones. I am not a doctor/nurse but a pharmacist. However, unlike most of the medical professionals who blindly accept everything fed to them like gerber baby food. I question everything and research about it. I don't take the cooked clinical data (yes most drugs are bribed to get approved via FDA it's a fact) but analyze the real life outcomes/effects of vaccines on patients some of whom I have treated. Do I still give vaccines? Yes as it is required as part of my job and providing a service to the customer. Do i go recommending every vaccine to every individual just because some book says to? no...that's between them and their doctor....but I do warn those I know friends/family about staying away from this garbage.....b/c it hurts more than helps which violates the oath most HC people take of doing no harm.....

Wait! Then you make your living through "Big Pharma?"

 

[Ultimatum77]

There is misinformation in your link... It says abstinence is the only 100% way to avoid it. Wrong, it's already been proven that some people have gotten it from their mother (unless you suggest all the mothers had sexual relations with their child?).

What's funny is the link you posted used vaccination as it's greatest course of preventing HPV... did you even read your own link?

They also say to limit the number of partners... this doesn't PREVENT HPV, but it reduces the chances of it spreading marginally. Consider Russian roulette, why settle for 1/6 chance to get shot when we can remove the one round in the barrel and have a 0/6 chance of blowing our head off? 0/6 sounds a lot better than 1/6...

I did read it, and still disagree about their pro vaccination spiel....but they also advocated safe sex, using condoms etc...

I agree if the child is exposed when being born there is no way to prevent that....

I still think if a person could excerise some self control it would greatly reduce the risk....will it be 100% safe no...but their chances of infection would go down b/c they aren't being promiscous...

The problem is society is told that everything needs to be fixed with medicine/vaccines which is not necessarily true for everything.....

 

[KimPetras]

Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden

HIV (Random example) cannot be fought by sanitation/ healthy lifestyle / organic foods, why do you assume other deadly diseases do?

Your flat out wrong. I know people who have HIV and are living for decades without taking meds.
They changed their lifestyle.
At this point in time, because of the indoctrination of our society, you really can't understand this.
Even though I explained the essentials earlier in this thread.
That's fine. I have seen this type of response hundreds of times.
Some go on to get it, some don't.
Its all good. The main focus is Jesus regardless.
He made health and diet secondary, so no biggie in the bigger heavenly picture.

I think you're misunderstanding her post... We aren't talking about living with the condition... we are talking about preventing/eradicating it from existence. You can't fight (not meaning "live with" but rather, prevent getting...) HPV by eating right or taking herbs. She speaks the truth... =/

 

[KimPetras]

I did read it, and still disagree about their pro vaccination spiel....but they also advocated safe sex, using condoms etc...

I agree if the child is exposed when being born there is no way to prevent that....

I still think if a person could excerise some self control it would greatly reduce the risk....will it be 100% safe no...but their chances of infection would go down b/c they aren't being promiscous...

The problem is society is told that everything needs to be fixed with medicine/vaccines which is not necessarily true for everything.....

We aren't talking about "reducing the risk" when it's hypothetically possible to remove the risk altogether... It doesn't make sense to "reduce" when we can "remove".... I'm all for being cautious on top of that, especially when the scriptures command us to be chaste, but not as a means to prevent STD's...

 

[Ultimatum77]

When you get your info from Anonymous, fair game to call you on your lack of due diligence.

Here's a site that teaches how stuffed animals sow carrot seeds. Should I take that to mean stuffed animals can grow plants?

Source matters.

I don't usually get my news from there it was an article I read from my browser's yandex homepage....

There are plenty of material online though....some pro-vax people try to discredit guys like Dr. Andrew Wakefield but his documentary is good to watch...

Controversial New Film Claims CDC Hid Data Linking Vaccines and Autism | Fox News Insider

 

[Ultimatum77]

Wait! Then you make your living through "Big Pharma?"

Yes I do INDIRECTLY b/c I just distribute the product but that doesn't mean I have to condone their evil profit behavior or belief system...people still have to make a living you know....

Just like shopping at Wal-mart doesn't make you evil just because Wal-mart decides to support gay rights....you're only buying a good/product even if you don't care for walmart's pro gay rights activity....

 

[JosephsDreams]

Well, shes probably wrong about that to.
I say that for reasons regarding our immune system and our lifestyle choices tat I have observed in clients through the years, and blood work I have seen regarding the immune system in some people and their diseases.
But I am not sure, so I can not say for certain.
Yet there is a good chance that a individual who is on a 100% raw vegan diet eating organically and living within certain other parameters (that are very doable) would not get it even if they came into contact with it.
I have had this discussion with some renowned ND's, and read up on it in some books written by people who have scientific backgrounds superior to mine, and I have a good bit of experience myself too, btw.
Still, although we concur there is a better then 50/50 chance our theory is correct, we can't prove it.
Mostly because it is hard to find someone who is living that lifestyle that has been in contact with the virus.

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

How has that worked for you? Is it true that the only person you've ever had sex with in 52 years was your wife and the only person she has ever had sex with you?

I am a Christian and I was a virgin before hubby came along. He was a Christian, but he was married before. His wife cheated -- twice. So, the reality is, I could have gotten it from him, her, the two guys hubby knows about and all the others she slept with. So, how does prevention work for you?

Do you really think monogamous is safe even in this day and age?

It worked out fantastic. Thanks for asking.

 

[JosephsDreams]

We aren't talking about "reducing the risk" when it's hypothetically possible to remove the risk altogether... It doesn't make sense to "reduce" when we can "remove".... I'm all for being cautious on top of that, especially when the scriptures command us to be chaste, but not as a means to prevent STD's...

Are you cautious with your health lifestyle choices? Do you obey the bible what it says about them?
I am not talking sexually, so I am not being misunderstood.
But what I have been saying here in this thread.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Yes I do INDIRECTLY b/c I just distribute the product but that doesn't mean I have to condone their evil profit behavior or belief system...people still have to make a living you know....

Just like shopping at Wal-mart doesn't make you evil just because Wal-mart decides to support gay rights....you're only buying a good/product even if you don't care for walmart's pro gay rights activity....

A word about her. She is one of the most, if not the most, adversarial and hypocritical people here. Its useless to try and reason with her.
I think she has deep issues.
Thank God for Jesus. I imagine without Him, she may be worse off.

 

[KimPetras]

Well, shes probably wrong about that to.
I say that for reasons regarding our immune system and our lifestyle choices tat I have observed in clients through the years, and blood work I have seen regarding the immune system in some people and their diseases.
But I am not sure, so I can not say for certain.
Yet there is a good chance that a individual who is on a 100% raw vegan diet eating organically and living within certain other parameters (that are very doable) would not get it even if they came into contact with it.
I have had this discussion with some renowned ND's, and read up on it in some books written by people who have scientific backgrounds superior to mine, and I have a good bit of experience myself too, btw.
Still, although we concur there is a better then 50/50 chance our theory is correct, we can't prove it.
Mostly because it is hard to find someone who is living that lifestyle that has been in contact with the virus.

Okay, lets get the entire world on 100% raw vegan diets in hopes it actually does prevent contracting HPV and other diseases.

 

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Okay, lets get the entire world on 100% raw vegan diets in hopes it actually does prevent contracting HPV and other diseases.

Well, I'm dead.

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

Okay, lets get the entire world on 100% raw vegan diets in hopes it actually does prevent contracting HPV and other diseases.

Lol
Great more steak for me.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Okay, lets get the entire world on 100% raw vegan diets in hopes it actually does prevent contracting HPV and other diseases.

I know I would be scoffed at. I said it in a earlier post.
It reminds me when Jesus said it is to much for you to bear.
You don't see because your eyes are closed.

And you did not answer my questions, always a clear sign to me.
Like I said, what I am saying is the truth. Not because of me.
But because of what I have seen in real life.
and more importantly, because the bible backs it up.