Book of Enoch, chapter 6
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Whether or not this is true, it is totally irrelevant. Yes, there were other books mentioned in the bible, but they are not scripture. Only scripture comes from God's mouth. "All scripture is God-breathed, and is useful for correcting and training in righteousness." God's word is established and firm.
All scripture is God-breathed. Whatever is found in the word of God is of the Holy Spirit. It is appropriate that you should use the words "private interpretation" for scripture says the opposite of what you stated above:
"We also have the message of the prophets, which has been confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to this message, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
"We also have the message of the prophets, which has been confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to this message, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I do like mpaper345's post on the subject of angels breeding with women. However, someone stated a law of kinds and that angels do not have DNA. We do witness a law of kinds, whereas most different species cannot produce offspring. However, we do also witness exceptions to this rule, whereas horses can produce offspring with donkeys to make mules.
Does the Bible or sacred texts referenced by the Bible state that angels have no DNA and could never produce offspring with humans? I think not.
Regardless, I am a man. No giant babies for me.
I did download a book of Enoch a while back, but it was confusing and being from the internet I decided to delete it after a couple of chapters. The words that DMike is quoting are not confusing at all, nor do they challenge my faith in Jesus Christ.
Does the Bible or sacred texts referenced by the Bible state that angels have no DNA and could never produce offspring with humans? I think not.
Regardless, I am a man. No giant babies for me.
I did download a book of Enoch a while back, but it was confusing and being from the internet I decided to delete it after a couple of chapters. The words that DMike is quoting are not confusing at all, nor do they challenge my faith in Jesus Christ.
Not every thought God prophesied as he spoke to the saints is recorded at the time it happened in the Old Testament or the new. The Holy Spirit simply says those words to Jude as he moved him to record it.( the first time it was revealed)
Because he declared it after the event it does not mean it was found in other literature. One third of human history had gone past before God who was there moved men to give us His witness. The book of Enoch is simply a witness of men as a private interpretation. No different than the Qur'an someone copied something from the scriptures and claimed they heard it first. .
Those words in Jude are not quoted from any one save the Holy Spirit who was there.
Because he declared it after the event it does not mean it was found in other literature. One third of human history had gone past before God who was there moved men to give us His witness. The book of Enoch is simply a witness of men as a private interpretation. No different than the Qur'an someone copied something from the scriptures and claimed they heard it first. .
Those words in Jude are not quoted from any one save the Holy Spirit who was there.
No mixing of kinds. There is a difference between "species" and "kinds". Both species (horse and donkey) are of the Equus genus.
Both have DNA. Both are made from the ground. .They are not angels as a ministering spirits .Spirits have no body they are not formed from the rudiments of this world.
Angels that left there first place of habitation are called lying spirits not lying men in respect to the flesh as that seen, They have no form never did never will.
The section in Genesis is not warning us that tall people are demons in disguise .It is simply saying men and women became unevenly yoked .Seeing God was still persevering the seed of Christ .He destroyed the whole world with a clean start.
Destroying men does not destroy angels who have no form that could never be the reason for the flood
The context must be examined I believe. There is no mention of angels as part of the reason. Just the creatures that were formed form the earth (DNA)
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Gen 6:6
Both have DNA. Both are made from the ground. .They are not angels as a ministering spirits .Spirits have no body they are not formed from the rudiments of this world.
Angels that left there first place of habitation are called lying spirits not lying men in respect to the flesh as that seen, They have no form never did never will.
The section in Genesis is not warning us that tall people are demons in disguise .It is simply saying men and women became unevenly yoked .Seeing God was still persevering the seed of Christ .He destroyed the whole world with a clean start.
Destroying men does not destroy angels who have no form that could never be the reason for the flood
The context must be examined I believe. There is no mention of angels as part of the reason. Just the creatures that were formed form the earth (DNA)
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Gen 6:6
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much blessings, peace and love to all who strive for wisdom,
it is very telling how easily our foundations are shaken when someone ever so slightly just taps or bumps into our beliefs. it seems to send shockwaves that pierce the spirit and we rush into a defensive position, perhaps tryin to defend by faith what can never be defended by constructive and logical argument. to the person that originated this thread, kudos. very wisely approach to a very thorny subject; never pushing, never preaching, just lobbing an "easy" one. did I just say... easy one? I am sorry, 1 Enoch, as well as jubilees and the book of Jasher, are no walk in the park and cannot be ignored in light of the glimpses we see of them in our beloved New and OldTestament. They might not be considered as scripture for us, but they certainly were just that for the authors of our beloved texts. I will dare now to make a question. How many of you, passionate defenders of biblical truth, have even bothered to read the book of 1Enoch? aren't we instructed to read everything, retaining the good and discarding the useless? how can you intend to contribute to affirm or to deny theological accuracy if you are not familiar with the subject at hand? there are no wisdom pills to take to make you competent, but there is something you can do: get the book, read it and have your bible open to verify what you are reading. Enoch 6 and Genesis 6:1-4 are the toughest theological steak you will ever chew on. this is no milk and cookies. If you wear dentures have an extra tube of fix-o-dent handy because you are going to need it. those passages open up your bible understanding like nothing you ever imagined because you will understand exactly what Paul was talking about when he talked about principalities and powers of the air, and will know what was he referring to when he asked the women to cover their heads.(1Cor:11:10- " For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels"). You will continue to read your bible, but the scope will be augmented in such a way, that you will transcend the artificial horizon of understanding created by men who loved their own wisdom so much, that they did not care about orthodoxy. I see in this thread a great opportunity for biblical orthodoxy, but before we can get to that point, everyone participating must be on board with something to contribute, not from mere here say, but from personal experience and conviction. get the book,(1 Enoch), read it, and I will be so happy to join you in a spirit led, search for biblical truth. May our Lord and savior Jesus Christ bless everyone of you richly, abundantly and continuously. your brother in Christ, im4gvn2.
it is very telling how easily our foundations are shaken when someone ever so slightly just taps or bumps into our beliefs. it seems to send shockwaves that pierce the spirit and we rush into a defensive position, perhaps tryin to defend by faith what can never be defended by constructive and logical argument. to the person that originated this thread, kudos. very wisely approach to a very thorny subject; never pushing, never preaching, just lobbing an "easy" one. did I just say... easy one? I am sorry, 1 Enoch, as well as jubilees and the book of Jasher, are no walk in the park and cannot be ignored in light of the glimpses we see of them in our beloved New and OldTestament. They might not be considered as scripture for us, but they certainly were just that for the authors of our beloved texts. I will dare now to make a question. How many of you, passionate defenders of biblical truth, have even bothered to read the book of 1Enoch? aren't we instructed to read everything, retaining the good and discarding the useless? how can you intend to contribute to affirm or to deny theological accuracy if you are not familiar with the subject at hand? there are no wisdom pills to take to make you competent, but there is something you can do: get the book, read it and have your bible open to verify what you are reading. Enoch 6 and Genesis 6:1-4 are the toughest theological steak you will ever chew on. this is no milk and cookies. If you wear dentures have an extra tube of fix-o-dent handy because you are going to need it. those passages open up your bible understanding like nothing you ever imagined because you will understand exactly what Paul was talking about when he talked about principalities and powers of the air, and will know what was he referring to when he asked the women to cover their heads.(1Cor:11:10- " For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels"). You will continue to read your bible, but the scope will be augmented in such a way, that you will transcend the artificial horizon of understanding created by men who loved their own wisdom so much, that they did not care about orthodoxy. I see in this thread a great opportunity for biblical orthodoxy, but before we can get to that point, everyone participating must be on board with something to contribute, not from mere here say, but from personal experience and conviction. get the book,(1 Enoch), read it, and I will be so happy to join you in a spirit led, search for biblical truth. May our Lord and savior Jesus Christ bless everyone of you richly, abundantly and continuously. your brother in Christ, im4gvn2.
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See here is the obvious lie....this supposed "book of Enoch" claims that God used Enoch as a messenger.
However the Bible clearly has God speaking Directly to Noah.
If you can't understand the difference between direct communication verses having a priest pray for you, then you don't understand the difference between the New Covenant made through the blood of Jesus and the old Covenant made through Moses that lead to death.
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Genesis: 6. 13. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 17. And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. 18. But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
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Noah story foreshadows Jesus salvation.
However the Bible clearly has God speaking Directly to Noah.
If you can't understand the difference between direct communication verses having a priest pray for you, then you don't understand the difference between the New Covenant made through the blood of Jesus and the old Covenant made through Moses that lead to death.
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Genesis: 6. 13. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 17. And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. 18. But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
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Noah story foreshadows Jesus salvation.
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Isaiah 14:13 ►
New International Version
You said in your heart, "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
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You will continue to read your bible, but the scope will be augmented in such a way, that you will transcend the artificial horizon of understanding created by men who loved their own wisdom so much, that they did not care about orthodoxy. "
Mmmm, really?
New International Version
You said in your heart, "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
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You will continue to read your bible, but the scope will be augmented in such a way, that you will transcend the artificial horizon of understanding created by men who loved their own wisdom so much, that they did not care about orthodoxy. "
Mmmm, really?
2Peter2:4For if God spared not [the] angels who had (sinned,) but having cast them down to the deepest pit of gloom has delivered them to chains of darkness [to be] kept for judgment;
Juse1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Answer: Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14), so they do not have any essential physical form. But angels do have the ability to appear in human form. When angels appeared to humans in the Bible, they resembled normal males. In Genesis 18:1-19, God and two angels appeared as men and actually ate a meal with Abraham. Angels appear as men many times throughout the Bible (Joshua 5:13-14; Mark 16:5), and they never appear in the likeness of women.
But the angels that sinned could possibly have taken wives and did things they should not have been doing.
What sin did they do? Just leave their first abode?
Juse1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Answer: Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14), so they do not have any essential physical form. But angels do have the ability to appear in human form. When angels appeared to humans in the Bible, they resembled normal males. In Genesis 18:1-19, God and two angels appeared as men and actually ate a meal with Abraham. Angels appear as men many times throughout the Bible (Joshua 5:13-14; Mark 16:5), and they never appear in the likeness of women.
But the angels that sinned could possibly have taken wives and did things they should not have been doing.
What sin did they do? Just leave their first abode?