Black lives do matter

AuntieAnt · Aug 25, 2016

To be fair, my dear brother PennEd, PeterJens is our brother in Christ, too. Mind you, he & I have gone head to head on occasion. Nevertheless, he’s our spiritual brother and I trust the Lord for him. He is right that polarization is ungodly. He is also correct that there are many still who are hostile and indignant toward our Black society.

I’m not for or against BLM because I honestly don’t follow world views as much as I trust God’s Word for my own life. I know I am to treat all others the way I want to be treated. And when I hear phrases such as, “those people,” or see stigmatizing statistics posted publicly for whatever reason, I cringe. I would not have that done to me. It’s shameful.

PeterJens’ point is, “We are called to love and believe in people and God’s grace to them.” How is that not the truth? No matter what our differences, that IS the truth of God. Of course we are to believe in one another, that the Lord reigns in each of us and has all of us in mind. Jesus believes in us! He believes in us so much that He willingly gave his life for us.

The way we regard, consider, believe in, acknowledge one another is through Christ’s perfect love. We are told not to acknowledge one another as the world does. How can God be glorified to the world if we act and think no differently than the world?

Willie-T · Aug 25, 2016

Yahweh_is_gracious said:

I have to admit, I've had my suspicions. LOL

Yahweh_is_gracious · Aug 25, 2016

hornetguy said:

I am not a man's man. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I'd never be allowed to cross the state line. I'm even a little too fru-fru for Oklahoma (that's a joke you Okies).

PennEd · Aug 25, 2016

AuntieAnt said:

I have to tell you, that if I had to make a list of CC people that I love, respect, and believe the Lord has used to create a Christ-like attitude here the most, you would be numero uno!!

Further, I believe the Lord is working strong in me to NOT write posts that in any way do anything but build up people, love them, pray for them, and spread His Gospel. So in that regard I'm sorry, and it's a main reason why I do put people like him on ignore, because i'm not really mature enough yet to deal with the types of posts he writes.
People can read his post and draw their own conclusions about whether he is slandering Americans. I'll also leave alone the brother part of your post, but thank you for reminding me that I should stick to what the Lord has instructed me to do here.

God Bless you sister!

Willie-T · Aug 25, 2016

PennEd said:

I have to tell you, that if I had to make a list of CC people that I love, respect, and believe the Lord has used to create a Christ-like attitude here the most, you would be numero uno!!

Further, I believe the Lord is working strong in me to NOT write posts that in any way do anything but build up people, love them, pray for them, and spread His Gospel. So in that regard I'm sorry, and it's a main reason why I do put people like him on ignore, because i'm not really mature enough yet to deal with the types of posts he writes.
People can read his post and draw their own conclusions about whether he is slandering Americans. I'll also leave alone the brother part of your post, but thank you for reminding me that I should stick to what the Lord has instructed me to do here.

God Bless you sister!

Me, too. And it ain't working out so well here, either.

Fenner · Aug 25, 2016

I was hesitant to share this but talking about the learned bigotry I thought I would.

Last school year my Son witnessed racisim towards a friend of his, I'll call him J. I and him have been friends since Kindergarten so 6 years now. J and my son David are both quiet and like to read and have a lot in common. J is black, I've met J Mom and Grandparents and think they're all really nice people. J and his Mom live with his Grandparents.

David had another friend we will call her E, also friends since Kindergarten. E has some problems, anxiety problems and ADHD. E also has a Dad that according to her Mom has a problem with black people. E really had some major trouble in school last year . If she didn't get the attention she wanted from a friend or if she was playing a game and got tagged, E would have a fit and find a way to get that person or one of the kids in class in trouble. E antagonized one of my son's other friends A. It was on the threshold of being crazy. The boys in the class tried to stay away from her, she made that difficult. They actually were afraid of E because she lied and would tell her Mom things and her Mom in turn would contact the teacher. E kind of had about 6 boys in that class paranoid about crossing her. It got very bad towards the end of the year and there was an incident that E's Mom texted me and asked if David had told me anything about what happened at school that day because someone kept calling E vanilla pudding My reapose was, vanilla pudding what's that mean? David hadn't mentioned any issue at school that day, he usually didn't. I asked him if he knew what happened and he started crying and said, Mom E came up to J and said, I'm vanilla pudding and your chocolate pudding and I'm better than you. I was shocked. I told her Mom what David told me and this was her response , well it's fine for them (meaning black people) to call is names, but anyone calls them a name it's a huge deal. I said, okay the point here is J didn't do anything, E was mad at the other boy A about the game of tag they were playing and she took it out on J and I went on to say, as a Mom I would be very concerned if my 9 year old was using those terms to a person of another race. She said, well she's put with enough all year, he deserved. So one 9 year old uses a racial slur towards another 9 year old and you're ok with that, yes she was. Well E gets her crappy racist over dramatic behavior from her parents for sure.

E is going to a new school this year and Mom is in for a big surprise when E starts pulling her crap there. But my Son me his friends and all of their parents that E and her close minded parents are gone. It's just a shame that they have turned their 9 year old into a racist.

hornetguy · Aug 25, 2016

Yahweh_is_gracious said:

Well, heck... I don't think there is a "testosterone requirement" to live here.... if so, I'd have been told to turn in my "man card" a long time ago.

I love to cook. I do my own laundry. I sew up my own clothes, when needed. I definitely don't "follow" sports. I like watching the Red Raiders play football, but that's about it. I like to watch musicals. I like many of what would be considered "chick flicks". I know what color fuscia is. And magenta.

I loved Downton Abbey.

Shoot, by some peoples' standards, I should be wearing a dress, and sitting down to... well, you get the point.

But.... I also used to do commercial construction, metal stud framing and hanging 5/8 sheetrock for about 6 years. I like to shoot guns, enjoy the outdoors, and ride a Harley every day.

So... does that mean I'm "bi"?

Yahweh_is_gracious · Aug 25, 2016

What was that term my Dad used to call me growing up...ah yes...squat-to-pee-bed-wetter. That's me.

hornetguy · Aug 25, 2016

sounds like your dad had "issues"...

Yahweh_is_gracious · Aug 25, 2016

hornetguy said:

Still does. I refuse to watch television with him because of his very vocal views about everything, and 99% of his views are whackadoodle. I live with an ornery old bigot. He's lucky I wipe his butt for him and cook his meals.

Miri · Aug 25, 2016

If I'm honest I don't really understand the black verses white issue in
America or how that might relate to politics, but if the political atmosphere
is anything like the UK, then the parties will use anything, any subject to
score points over each other. By doing so they inflame an already hot situation.

Maybe I've always just come across good decent people, but I've never met or chatted
to an American who I could actually point out as being racist, but yet many are drawn into
taking sides - even blacks it's not just whites - it's both.

Is it possible that everyone is taking great pains to point the finger, identify with one side or
the other, listening to too many politicians and the media but not really dealing with the
issue.

History (not just American) shows if a group of people feel threatened or undervalued they
batten down the hatches and stick to their own group. That's human nature and so the
segregation becomes more obvious. Also if people feel they are expected to act in a certain
way they will. Especially true of peer pressure it's like a kind of herd mentality.

Is it possible that the more people talk of black and white "movements" the more segregation
this will cause.

The only way forward is to recognise each other's difference and celebrate and share them.
Im thinking of music styles, dress, cultural differences etc the normal reasonable every
day stuff. (Not the illegal stuff).

To do that there has to be adjustments on all sides, education, respect. That can be achieved
even among non Christians.

For Christians (doesn't the USA have a high Christian population compared to most
other countries) more than anything it should be achievable, there has to be love with
God at the centre. If the USA can't achieve intergrstion then there is little hope for the
rest of us.

I know I keep going on about my church but I feel my church is an example of how it
really is possible to love and respect your neighbour despite the cultural differences.
We regularly incorporate songs with different languages into the worship time and songs
with different cultural rhythms. When we have food type get togethers people are
encouraged to bring food from their own cultures (our food get togethers are amazing!

).

We often have special Sunday services where people are encouraged to wear their own
national dress and take an active part in the service. We hold English language classes to
help with intergration.

Lots and lots is being said on this thread and other similar threads, but opinion doesn't
mean anything without action.

The solution has to start with each individual, each person willing to show love and
respect for others regardless of skin colour. If each real born again Christian in the
USA could find it within themselves to be the bigger person and befriend people
they meet of a different culture and to show them God's love. While it might be a
very small start, it would be a start. As long as each person does their individual bit,
God can use that. Pray also that God would raise up people of influence on both sides
to bring about change because the current politicians and media seem to be making
a bad job worse.

jsr1221 · Aug 25, 2016

Is it racist if it's true? Can't argue with statistics.

hornetguy · Aug 25, 2016

Yahweh_is_gracious said:

I admire you for that. You are doing God's work...

AuntieAnt · Aug 25, 2016

My dear friend and Christian author Jim Minker wrote this article many years ago. I think it applies here. God bless! ♥
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Hypothetical Situations and the Good Samaritan

We have often read hypothetical into the parables and stories that Jesus
told ... but I don't think they were. I think stories like the Good Samaritan
were actual happenings fresh in the memories of the hearers. I wouldn't be a
bit surprised if the priest and the Levite who passed by on the opposite side
of the road might have been in the crowd, or may have been one of the ones who
confronted Jesus in the first place. Until Jesus told that story, the religious
assumption would have demanded that the actions of the aforementioned religious
leaders were not only appropriate, but also RIGHTEOUS. After all, these men of God had to keep
themselves clean and pure in order to serve God. And who might the wounded man
have been? How did the religious community regard his fate? Was he obviously
being judged by God in the near-death experience at the hands of those thieves?
Remember, the reason Jesus told the story in the first place was in the context
of being challenged by a Biblical lawyer.

And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying,
'Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?' And He said to him, 'What
is written in THE LAW? How does it read TO YOU?' And he answered and said, 'You
shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and
with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your NEIGHBOR as yourself.'
And He said to him, 'You have ANSWERED correctly; DO THIS, and you will live.'
BUT WISHING TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF, he said to Jesus, 'And WHO is my
"neighbor"?' Jesus replied and said, 'A CERTAIN MAN ...'
Luke 10:25-30

Here is the bottom line: But wishing to justify himself, he basically
asked, HYPOTHETICALLY
speaking, who are we talking about here?. But Jesus got so real his
answer cut through the crap and exposed the fakery behind the question itself.
With all its pomp and circumstance, the flesh is still pretty obvious. When we
pose such questions we are merely trying to justify our own sorry
legally-entrenched fleshly perceptions.

You know what hurt the absolute MOST in this story? The fact that the hero
was a despised non-person in the sight of the man challenging the morals of
Jesus (as well as that of the rest of the crowd). By the way, a Samaritan was a
cross-breed between a Jew and (I think) a Canaanite. A current equivalent would
be something akin to descendants of Osama bin Laden and an American who turned
her back on her own people. Many in our country would rather kill such
offspring, and would consider them despised by God as well as by all so-called good Americans. But in
this probably-true story, they would have already known that one of their own people
had been rescued by “a piece of trash” while their own leaders left him to die
because they were too damned busy doing God's work!

Jesus didn't let the lawyer off easy, for he made him answer his own
question. "Which of these three do you think proved to be a 'neighbor' to
the man who fell into the robbers' hands?" It's not recorded, but I'll bet
this was one of the most difficult obvious answers this man ever had to give.
He couldn't even bring himself to say, "The Samaritan". No, he tried
to keep it impersonal: "The one who showed mercy toward him.". Then
Jesus hits him with the OBVIOUS punch-line: "Go and do likewise." Oh,
yeah, we think this moral of the story was some kind of grace imperative. How
BOGUS! The fact is that this man had his whole religious structure ripped to shreds
in front of the crowd he had hoped to impress with his technical righteousness
about the getting of eternal life. He, along with all the religious-minded in
the crowd, was slam-dunked into the pit of despair regarding their own
scriptural performance standards.

Here's the point: By their OWN interpretation of the Law, through the very
admission of one of their Biblical technicians, they were shown to be less able
to do God's will than the worst human they could imagine. The fact that we have
learned this story by the title Good Samaritan only underscores our total
ignorance as to its scathing conclusion!!

It is the LEGAL mind that establishes this form of godliness that ALLOWS
for a multitude of sin, and then that same legal mind turns around and demands
to know if the mind of Christ is suggesting that it's morally okay to sin in
such-and-such a fashion!! This is the whole underlying motivation behind all
the attacks made on Jesus by the religious community. And instead of backing
off the obviousness of their built-in sin acceptability standards Jesus either
seemed to answer them in a totally unrelated manner or else he pounded them
over the head with those standards. What Jesus did was something like pulling
the lever on the huge trap-door they themselves had constructed, and they fell
down through the floor and into the chute beneath them.

hornetguy · Aug 25, 2016

It's called ethnocentrism. It's a natural occurrence in any kind of society... even animal societies, such as wolf packs, or herds of sheep. Remember the "black sheep" syndrome? It's a real happening. The black sheep is "different", so all the other sheep shun it, and even try to drive it away, because they fear anything "different". Same with the white wolves... they are "different".

Willie-T · Aug 25, 2016

hornetguy said:

Well, heck... I don't think there is a "testosterone requirement" to live here.... if so, I'd have been told to turn in my "man card" a long time ago.

I love to cook. I do my own laundry. I sew up my own clothes, when needed. I definitely don't "follow" sports. I like watching the Red Raiders play football, but that's about it. I like to watch musicals. I like many of what would be considered "chick flicks". I know what color fuscia is. And magenta.

I loved Downton Abbey.

Shoot, by some peoples' standards, I should be wearing a dress, and sitting down to... well, you get the point.

But.... I also used to do commercial construction, metal stud framing and hanging 5/8 sheetrock for about 6 years. I like to shoot guns, enjoy the outdoors, and ride a Harley every day.

So... does that mean I'm "bi"?

Aah, you're still OK by me.

Fenner · Aug 25, 2016

My post about my son I'd like to apologize for the typos. I'm on a phone and I type fast. I do try to catch them. I also wanted to say, I probably came off as unsympathetic to the child E. I'm not, I've had her in my home taken her places, showed her care and tried to help when all of this was going on.

Her Mom asked me a lot about what my son told me what happened at school because everyday something happened. It got to the point where my son was very stressed out about it. It was affecting his emotional well being. I did have to tell her Mother I couldn't ask him anymore.

Unfortunatly the situation esculated to where E's Mom was slandering A's Mom on Facebook and with other parents. A's Mom and I are close friends. A's Mom was very upset that someone whom she considered a friend would do that to her. It was alarming and very sad. I pray for E and her family. I want E to make friends and I pray she does.
d her

AuntieAnt · Aug 25, 2016

hornetguy said:

Amen! Yes, it comes natural to be carnally minded. We're born into it. And that's what Jesus went to the cross delivering us from. He gives us his mind in exchange for the mindset of animals. Glory to God!

hornetguy · Aug 25, 2016

It's very sad when racism is taught/promoted in the home. Unfortunately, it happens with all races.

Fenner · Aug 25, 2016

Yes it does hornet guy.

Black lives do matter

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