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You are 10000% correct. That is how many U.S. politicians, big and small,choose to operate.
I have met a few racist Americans, I am glad to say I don't know very many that are obviously racist. But yes, side-taking is a real problem.
I think that is a big problem, thank God many of His people are reasonable. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head in your post, despite you not knowing the intricacies of U.S. race relations. Miri for president!
I have met a few racist Americans, I am glad to say I don't know very many that are obviously racist. But yes, side-taking is a real problem.
I think that is a big problem, thank God many of His people are reasonable. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head in your post, despite you not knowing the intricacies of U.S. race relations. Miri for president!
Really? I'd love to see some poll data on that. Since you're living in Britain, you must have seen some poll data on the internet or something. I'm sure you didn't just pull that assertion out of your rear, right?
And this poll isn't even talking about slavery being good, it's only regarding the actual executive order. Which is indeed debatable on several grounds. For example, Lincoln's executive order didn't free anyone, as it only applied to the states still in rebellion. The states still in rebellion weren't obeying the North in the first place, hence the 'rebel' distinction. Many people feel it was a bit of a weasel move, as Lincoln didn't issue an order freeing the slaves who were NOT in the Confederate states. (and yes, there were slaves in other states.) As you can see, whites and blacks feel the same about it in this poll, in fact the racial difference is more notable in some of the other issues, like the Patriot Act.
And this poll isn't even talking about slavery being good, it's only regarding the actual executive order. Which is indeed debatable on several grounds. For example, Lincoln's executive order didn't free anyone, as it only applied to the states still in rebellion. The states still in rebellion weren't obeying the North in the first place, hence the 'rebel' distinction. Many people feel it was a bit of a weasel move, as Lincoln didn't issue an order freeing the slaves who were NOT in the Confederate states. (and yes, there were slaves in other states.) As you can see, whites and blacks feel the same about it in this poll, in fact the racial difference is more notable in some of the other issues, like the Patriot Act.
As a black person, I'd say that the biggest issues come from ignorance. And ignorance is applicable to all races in many ways, meaning that there's always a racial equivalent of all perceived stereotypes.
Whenever someone uses facts to backup something as inconsequential as race its an attempt to communicate their disdain in a scholarly way, because that person realizes that interpreting it this way makes it appear factual, and what appears factual seems to have creditable truth to it.
Attention is power, so the more attention something holds the more important it seems to people even if it isn't. Combine this with ignorance from many people and you get societies like the ones we live in now. Focusing on stuff like this and spreading info about it is what allows pointless like this to continue to be brought up countless times, and those who start these haphazard issues know this. They play on human fragility to attain widespread approval, support, and action on behalf of their personal dislikes. It possible for those who spread this kind of information to be no better that the one whoinitially stated it, not that I'm accusing anyone of anything.
My point is, unless you plan on doing something about bad news you spread, particularly about as issues big as rasicm, you probably shouldn't spread it at all because all you'll do is attract pointless opinions and empty action. It's no stuff different from people watching starving kids on TV, say it's a shame, and then do nothing about it.
I'm not saying I'm some saint, I don't ever recall myself marching or making petitions for anything, but I know that it's practically hypocritical to bring something up serious that you have to the power do something about and do nothing to lessen the situation.
And if anyone must spread the word about something, do it with the intent to do something about it. Ask people to join you to make signs and rally, to pray together, to go on strike, to help the community, and anything else you can do to (or get others to help you do) about it.
Ephesians 4:29-
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Titus 3:2-
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
Proverbs 16:28-
A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends.
Proverbs 11:13-
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy in spirit keeps a thing covered
Proverbs 20:19-
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.
Exodus 23:1-
You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
1 John 4:20-
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen
James 1:26-
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Matthew 7:5-
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Luke 12:2- Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known
James 2:14-26-
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. ...
2 Timothy 3:5- Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people
Whenever someone uses facts to backup something as inconsequential as race its an attempt to communicate their disdain in a scholarly way, because that person realizes that interpreting it this way makes it appear factual, and what appears factual seems to have creditable truth to it.
Attention is power, so the more attention something holds the more important it seems to people even if it isn't. Combine this with ignorance from many people and you get societies like the ones we live in now. Focusing on stuff like this and spreading info about it is what allows pointless like this to continue to be brought up countless times, and those who start these haphazard issues know this. They play on human fragility to attain widespread approval, support, and action on behalf of their personal dislikes. It possible for those who spread this kind of information to be no better that the one whoinitially stated it, not that I'm accusing anyone of anything.
My point is, unless you plan on doing something about bad news you spread, particularly about as issues big as rasicm, you probably shouldn't spread it at all because all you'll do is attract pointless opinions and empty action. It's no stuff different from people watching starving kids on TV, say it's a shame, and then do nothing about it.
I'm not saying I'm some saint, I don't ever recall myself marching or making petitions for anything, but I know that it's practically hypocritical to bring something up serious that you have to the power do something about and do nothing to lessen the situation.
And if anyone must spread the word about something, do it with the intent to do something about it. Ask people to join you to make signs and rally, to pray together, to go on strike, to help the community, and anything else you can do to (or get others to help you do) about it.
Ephesians 4:29-
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Titus 3:2-
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
Proverbs 16:28-
A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends.
Proverbs 11:13-
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy in spirit keeps a thing covered
Proverbs 20:19-
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.
Exodus 23:1-
You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
1 John 4:20-
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen
James 1:26-
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Matthew 7:5-
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Luke 12:2- Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known
James 2:14-26-
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. ...
2 Timothy 3:5- Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people
Since this is obviously a shot at me, let me reiterate why I showed you Black people what many educated and non-redneck White people are passing around behind your back. (Just as you do behind ours)
This woman is clearly racist, as I pointed out, but how did she get this way? It's quite simple. For decades, the "Savior of the Blacks", the Democrat Party has been telling her exactly the things she posted. It has long been a ploy of that party to paint a picture of poor conditions of the inner cities, blame it on the Republicans, and tell Black people they are going to change all that.
But, has that happened? No. Like them or not, the numbers don't lie. And if Donald Trump was not truly trying to show Blacks this truth, Hillary, herself, would be the one talking about the inner cities, and trying to blame it all on bush. But, she can't. Because for eight long years, Obama and the Democrats have done nothing but make a bad situation even worse for Blacks. She no longer has Bush to blame it on. If she (and you Black voters) would open closed eyes and admit it, Trump really IS the answer... the candidate for change to finally actually occur.
And that is why I posted that e-mail.
I watched something on TV tonight that said it better than I can. There were two black guys on TV. The first one was doing the usual posturing thing of saying how great Blacks have it (Huh!?!?!?!? Where did that suddenly come from?), and that he never fears violence, and he has a great, high paying job, great neighborhood, and lives in a big house.
The second black guy said "That is right! You have all that, and so do I..... but thousands and thousands of our Black brothers and sisters do not." He was telling the first guy to knock off the bold posturing, trying to impress someone, and to get real. He was saying that every word Trump was saying is true for so many Blacks. And that this guy should be ashamed of himself for trying to strut around and bluff that it is great for all Blacks, when some people's kids die every day from drugs or shootings from gang violence.
I was trying to show that although my friend is sick with prejudice and racism, she is accurately repeating only what the Democrat Party has sold to her (and the rest of America) for 50 years, or more. I got the feeling you are attempting to do the same prideful denial of actual conditions. Why? Do you think any White people believe you?
We don't.
Certainly, we know there are many Black people living in good neighborhoods. I have a Black friend living right down the block from me. It's real nice here. But he is in the minority of the population. Even here in my city, which really has no "inner-city", I can drive through block after block of pure squalor \, and see hundreds of fit, able young men just hanging around the local tree or bar, berceuse they just can't find a job.
Being proud is fine. but when you let the slogan "Black Pride" go to your head to the extent that you value your "image" (which is not impressing anyone) more than the kids and their families in dire trouble in your own neighborhoods (even if you don't happen to live there) something is terribly wrong.
No one knows who you vote for. When you go into that booth, you can sing Hillary's praise both going in there, and coming out. But, if you swallow your pride, and consider those thousands in poverty, and being killed (as many as 2 or 3 thousand a year in Chicago) ........... Well, you can pull that lever for Trump, and no one will ever know it. But, you will know you at least TRIED to save some of your people.
I don't live in a world of BS and posturing. If I know there is trouble, I don't try to pretend it doesn't exist just so I can think I now have impressed someone, Black or White. And I don't think that is a bad way to live.
This woman is clearly racist, as I pointed out, but how did she get this way? It's quite simple. For decades, the "Savior of the Blacks", the Democrat Party has been telling her exactly the things she posted. It has long been a ploy of that party to paint a picture of poor conditions of the inner cities, blame it on the Republicans, and tell Black people they are going to change all that.
But, has that happened? No. Like them or not, the numbers don't lie. And if Donald Trump was not truly trying to show Blacks this truth, Hillary, herself, would be the one talking about the inner cities, and trying to blame it all on bush. But, she can't. Because for eight long years, Obama and the Democrats have done nothing but make a bad situation even worse for Blacks. She no longer has Bush to blame it on. If she (and you Black voters) would open closed eyes and admit it, Trump really IS the answer... the candidate for change to finally actually occur.
And that is why I posted that e-mail.
I watched something on TV tonight that said it better than I can. There were two black guys on TV. The first one was doing the usual posturing thing of saying how great Blacks have it (Huh!?!?!?!? Where did that suddenly come from?), and that he never fears violence, and he has a great, high paying job, great neighborhood, and lives in a big house.
The second black guy said "That is right! You have all that, and so do I..... but thousands and thousands of our Black brothers and sisters do not." He was telling the first guy to knock off the bold posturing, trying to impress someone, and to get real. He was saying that every word Trump was saying is true for so many Blacks. And that this guy should be ashamed of himself for trying to strut around and bluff that it is great for all Blacks, when some people's kids die every day from drugs or shootings from gang violence.
I was trying to show that although my friend is sick with prejudice and racism, she is accurately repeating only what the Democrat Party has sold to her (and the rest of America) for 50 years, or more. I got the feeling you are attempting to do the same prideful denial of actual conditions. Why? Do you think any White people believe you?
We don't.
Certainly, we know there are many Black people living in good neighborhoods. I have a Black friend living right down the block from me. It's real nice here. But he is in the minority of the population. Even here in my city, which really has no "inner-city", I can drive through block after block of pure squalor \, and see hundreds of fit, able young men just hanging around the local tree or bar, berceuse they just can't find a job.
Being proud is fine. but when you let the slogan "Black Pride" go to your head to the extent that you value your "image" (which is not impressing anyone) more than the kids and their families in dire trouble in your own neighborhoods (even if you don't happen to live there) something is terribly wrong.
No one knows who you vote for. When you go into that booth, you can sing Hillary's praise both going in there, and coming out. But, if you swallow your pride, and consider those thousands in poverty, and being killed (as many as 2 or 3 thousand a year in Chicago) ........... Well, you can pull that lever for Trump, and no one will ever know it. But, you will know you at least TRIED to save some of your people.
I don't live in a world of BS and posturing. If I know there is trouble, I don't try to pretend it doesn't exist just so I can think I now have impressed someone, Black or White. And I don't think that is a bad way to live.
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First, let me say I'm not trying to start a fight, nor do I think I'm a know it all. Second, when people discuss about the nature of things like this someone is going to get offended regardless of what's said. Third, my comment was meant to address how pointing out issues and doing nothing about it or pointing them out with ill intent is wrong, and that its possible for people who do this to be considered a hypocrite, it was not an attack on anyone.
To clear confusion, just because I said "as black person" doesn't mean I'm automatically on board with movements concerning my race, which is one of reasons I said ignorance is applicable to all races, I never said that egocentrism was not present. I was speaking from my experience as a person, not for black people. I honestly don't care about whag that lady has to say, neither should you or else for reasons I mentioned in my other post.
My driving point was that talking about this without doing something about it can only help to worsen the situation, people are overly sensitive and easily impressionable, so if someone comes telling them about something it could it stir their ignorance causing them to tell other people and so on. But if someone mentions that they intend to do something about it though people may still act on ignorance, they may inspire other people to act, and those people may inspire others. Pointing fingers at people won't help anything no matter how satisfying it feels (I say this to support my post, it's not directed at you). I didn't read the rest of your response because I wasn't concerned about the human history behind all of that, I was concerned with addressing motive behind pointless things like this, that's all. You don't need to understand that history to know how humans think.
I used scripture to back up my point, not to aggressively assert anything.
I honestly think there's no way I (or anyone) can get deep into this without offending someone, but that's human nature.
To clear confusion, just because I said "as black person" doesn't mean I'm automatically on board with movements concerning my race, which is one of reasons I said ignorance is applicable to all races, I never said that egocentrism was not present. I was speaking from my experience as a person, not for black people. I honestly don't care about whag that lady has to say, neither should you or else for reasons I mentioned in my other post.
My driving point was that talking about this without doing something about it can only help to worsen the situation, people are overly sensitive and easily impressionable, so if someone comes telling them about something it could it stir their ignorance causing them to tell other people and so on. But if someone mentions that they intend to do something about it though people may still act on ignorance, they may inspire other people to act, and those people may inspire others. Pointing fingers at people won't help anything no matter how satisfying it feels (I say this to support my post, it's not directed at you). I didn't read the rest of your response because I wasn't concerned about the human history behind all of that, I was concerned with addressing motive behind pointless things like this, that's all. You don't need to understand that history to know how humans think.
I used scripture to back up my point, not to aggressively assert anything.
I honestly think there's no way I (or anyone) can get deep into this without offending someone, but that's human nature.
I don't align myself with either party so I guess I'm independent. The Democratic party does not give a rat's rear end about black people. They only care about the black vote. They are only interested in fueling the anger behind racial issues without offering any viable Solutions....oh and cool avater... I loved the .Hack games on PlayStation 2
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Then, truthfully, in my opinion, you have nothing to say if you feel you can answer a post by only reading a small portion of it, and ignoring the rest. This is largely what keeps our nation where it is... seeing only enough to justify yourself getting offended.
And since you have spoken about "not intending to do anything." Not intending to do anything is to continue doing the same thing you have always done, but expecting to see different results. I intend to vote for a strange little red-faced guy who doesn't recognize the word that is killing America... "PC."
And being offensive isn't a big deal to me. Hiding your head in the sand, acting like there is no problem, is. And that is the very defensive attitude I am seeing from Blacks, both the Party, and individually..... They are horribly upset with Trump for "insulting" them by repeating exactly what their Party has been saying for years about the Black community.
It's long past time to quit this game of trying to act like a duck is not a duck, and do something. Right now, I see the most important thing that needs to be done is to begin to make a change from what has been going on for decades.
And since you have spoken about "not intending to do anything." Not intending to do anything is to continue doing the same thing you have always done, but expecting to see different results. I intend to vote for a strange little red-faced guy who doesn't recognize the word that is killing America... "PC."
And being offensive isn't a big deal to me. Hiding your head in the sand, acting like there is no problem, is. And that is the very defensive attitude I am seeing from Blacks, both the Party, and individually..... They are horribly upset with Trump for "insulting" them by repeating exactly what their Party has been saying for years about the Black community.
It's long past time to quit this game of trying to act like a duck is not a duck, and do something. Right now, I see the most important thing that needs to be done is to begin to make a change from what has been going on for decades.
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here in the uk, we have had area's predominately black and when people say most crime in these areas are by black people they are called racist. The trouble with statistics is they dont really give any answers to problems and we often see them used in a bias manner to represent a certain view.
I would recommend looking at how much crime is committed by poor people, and if that is a high figure then the fact that they may be black, white or yellow is really beside the point.
So the issue of making the world a better place is dealing with equal opportunity rather than blaming a particular colour.
We had BLM turn up here a few weeks ago from the states which got a small following. They actually blocked a main motorway into London which got them the attention they seeked.
I watched as many were bringing up a case of a black male that died in police custody.A reporter then told them that here more white people die in police custody, dont their lives matter.
Most have now been sent back to the states. Yes we have minor racial issues but not like they were trying to make them out to be..
I would recommend looking at how much crime is committed by poor people, and if that is a high figure then the fact that they may be black, white or yellow is really beside the point.
So the issue of making the world a better place is dealing with equal opportunity rather than blaming a particular colour.
We had BLM turn up here a few weeks ago from the states which got a small following. They actually blocked a main motorway into London which got them the attention they seeked.
I watched as many were bringing up a case of a black male that died in police custody.A reporter then told them that here more white people die in police custody, dont their lives matter.
Most have now been sent back to the states. Yes we have minor racial issues but not like they were trying to make them out to be..
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i remember the riots we had in the 80s, in Tottenham, 1 policeman was killed, i lived in an area 6 miles away and i can remember black friends trying to get there cos something exciting was happening. They didn't even know what it was about.
Many white people are drug dealers here so i think the lack of opportunity, added to the no care of others attitude, can lead many in that direction. But ultimately the verse about idle hands are the devils tools, comes into play here, when talking of the youth anyhow.
Anyone young person going in this direction maybe could be offered military instead of prison.
Many white people are drug dealers here so i think the lack of opportunity, added to the no care of others attitude, can lead many in that direction. But ultimately the verse about idle hands are the devils tools, comes into play here, when talking of the youth anyhow.
Anyone young person going in this direction maybe could be offered military instead of prison.
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I made my second post, to clarify my reason's for making the first. It's nothing more than that. You and I are getting at two different things. You're assigning criteria to things I'm saying, and assuming that's automatically how it will be, which I'm not going to go into depth (nor should I have to) about because all you have to do is read my first and second post again. I know after reading that you're probably thinking about how I didn't finish your post, but again, that's because we're addressing two different things.
My goal was NOT to address what you're addressing.
My goal was NOT to address what you're addressing.
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it will only get worse - in my city, it's not unusual to see the confederate flag on cars and trucks -
by all ages...and 'demonic symbols' enforcing/pushing for 'white-racism'
a while back, at a local beach there was what I will call a huge 'black on black' violent free for all,
and it was a real mess, in this community something like this had never been seen or done before,
so now the local venders have refused to open their doors on what was for decades considered
'special occasions', mostly fearing for their lives and property damage, etc...
also we recently began witnessing that young-black-gangs are leaving their normal turf
and infiltrating outer counties and causing extreme mayhem....
this is in the Deep South and this area has not had the problems that the 'larger cities' are
experiencing, but we are witnessing first hand a great and terrible 'civil-unrest' being born
right before our eyes...
may God have mercy upon this country...
it is so obvious that in this country 'civil-war' is being stirred-up by those behind the curtains...
by all ages...and 'demonic symbols' enforcing/pushing for 'white-racism'
a while back, at a local beach there was what I will call a huge 'black on black' violent free for all,
and it was a real mess, in this community something like this had never been seen or done before,
so now the local venders have refused to open their doors on what was for decades considered
'special occasions', mostly fearing for their lives and property damage, etc...
also we recently began witnessing that young-black-gangs are leaving their normal turf
and infiltrating outer counties and causing extreme mayhem....
this is in the Deep South and this area has not had the problems that the 'larger cities' are
experiencing, but we are witnessing first hand a great and terrible 'civil-unrest' being born
right before our eyes...
may God have mercy upon this country...
it is so obvious that in this country 'civil-war' is being stirred-up by those behind the curtains...
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