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Yet, what happened at church that you so oppose it? VVhat was the turning point that made you oppose the very thing God works through and in? How can you be opposed to church when within those walls are Holy Spirit filled believers operating in their gifts edifying one another as the scripture exhorts?
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Sounding the alarm is an important ministry and it is not an easy one!!
What did Jesus say, "the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few"..... it is not about huge accomplishments for
the Lord but being faithful and true to where and how He has called us to serve Him, even if it not what we
envisioned for ourselves.
What did Jesus say, "the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few"..... it is not about huge accomplishments for
the Lord but being faithful and true to where and how He has called us to serve Him, even if it not what we
envisioned for ourselves.
U
Yet,
I have a fellowship group, but no church and have not since I was born again at twenty and left the RC church, I as well really do not get the whole organizational thing, it seems far from the book of Acts, so I totally understand where you are coming from in that regard.
However, being rejected by the institutional church is not really a good platform for sounding the alarm to my mind, it comes across like sour grapes and that can detract from the good you are doing.
Just my IMHO of course.
I have a fellowship group, but no church and have not since I was born again at twenty and left the RC church, I as well really do not get the whole organizational thing, it seems far from the book of Acts, so I totally understand where you are coming from in that regard.
However, being rejected by the institutional church is not really a good platform for sounding the alarm to my mind, it comes across like sour grapes and that can detract from the good you are doing.
Just my IMHO of course.
U
On the other hand I guess you are just being honest about your experiences.
Sometimes when I read the responses to your ideas and how reviling the responses are, it makes me think of how a prophet is never accepted in his home town.
When the World Ecumenical Council and the other forces at work have their way and the churches return to its mother church the supposed one true church hopefully then people will see.
I have checked out all your links and I appreciate the information.
And I know we should not judge you and whether you are spreading the gospel in your personal life or not, that is just out of bounds to my mind.
Sometimes when I read the responses to your ideas and how reviling the responses are, it makes me think of how a prophet is never accepted in his home town.
When the World Ecumenical Council and the other forces at work have their way and the churches return to its mother church the supposed one true church hopefully then people will see.
I have checked out all your links and I appreciate the information.
And I know we should not judge you and whether you are spreading the gospel in your personal life or not, that is just out of bounds to my mind.
Yet,
I have a fellowship group, but no church and have not since I was born again at twenty and left the RC church, I as well really do not get the whole organizational thing, it seems far from the book of Acts, so I totally understand where you are coming from in that regard.
However, being rejected by the institutional church is not really a good platform for sounding the alarm to my mind, it comes across like sour grapes and that can detract from the good you are doing.
Just my IMHO of course.
I have a fellowship group, but no church and have not since I was born again at twenty and left the RC church, I as well really do not get the whole organizational thing, it seems far from the book of Acts, so I totally understand where you are coming from in that regard.
However, being rejected by the institutional church is not really a good platform for sounding the alarm to my mind, it comes across like sour grapes and that can detract from the good you are doing.
Just my IMHO of course.
Yet,
I have a fellowship group, but no church and have not since I was born again at twenty and left the RC church, I as well really do not get the whole organizational thing, it seems far from the book of Acts, so I totally understand where you are coming from in that regard.
However, being rejected by the institutional church is not really a good platform for sounding the alarm to my mind, it covmes across like sour grapes and that can detract from the good you are doing.
Just my IMHO of course.
I have a fellowship group, but no church and have not since I was born again at twenty and left the RC church, I as well really do not get the whole organizational thing, it seems far from the book of Acts, so I totally understand where you are coming from in that regard.
However, being rejected by the institutional church is not really a good platform for sounding the alarm to my mind, it covmes across like sour grapes and that can detract from the good you are doing.
Just my IMHO of course.
John proclaimed in 3John '(pastor) Diotrephes who loved to have the exalted position, received us not'. '...neither does he accept the brothers, ...and cast them out of the ecclesia(church).'
Paul and John were not chewing on sour grapes. No boo hooing there. They were 'sounding the alarm' and exposing the madness to warn others.
Now the benefit they had over those like me is that they fully understood the significance and MO of the body of Christ in the assembly. It wasn't all gummed up and turned on its head just yet, though Diotrephes gave a good accounting of himself to start the ball a rolling for the false cleric system. Didn't get off the ground just yet but it would with Ignatius of Antioch in the first century, and in the fourth century Constantine would take it to a whole new level. Can anybody see the devil in the details yet?
That's why Paul warned with 'For I KNOW THIS, after they throw the last shovel full of dirt in my face in Rome, hungry, dispicable wolves will rise UP (note the direction) in your very assembly and twist the word to draw followings.' They'll be the PASTORS, (And establish the division of cleric/laity), Acts 20:29-30. There are to be 'no divisions among you', 1Cor. 1:10. Yet now they exist. Its falsley called christianity.
So my life story is not 'sour grapes' which makes it look like a 'small thing' that i need to overlook and get over. NO! It's huge. It's the GREAT APOSTASY the word warns us about. Paul just warned about the exalted hirelings. Men have risen UP to rule and reign over the sheep at the sheeps expence.
I wish it was nothing more than a very tiny 'sour grape' incident. But it's not. It's about the very life and spirutual death of the body of Christ of which few are discerning.
R we still enjoying the word of God here?. I surely hope so. Smile.
Have you ever considered Yet that you are in the place where God wants you to be? Have you ever thought that maybe God wants you to bring the message of the Gospel to those who have never entered into a Church?
I for one bring the message of the Gospel daily to my co-workers because i totally believe this is what God wants for my life.
Me and You and everyone else needs to understand God uses us exactly where we are at! How would it be if every Christian was a Pastor in a Church? Who would be left to witness to the masses at work everyday?
Consider your self like Paul and the others, going out into the marketplace witnessing to everybody. You can do the same thing by everyday talking to your fellow employees before work and after work and maybe even having a bible study during your lunch hour.
This you can do. God uses us where we are at.
I for one bring the message of the Gospel daily to my co-workers because i totally believe this is what God wants for my life.
Me and You and everyone else needs to understand God uses us exactly where we are at! How would it be if every Christian was a Pastor in a Church? Who would be left to witness to the masses at work everyday?
Consider your self like Paul and the others, going out into the marketplace witnessing to everybody. You can do the same thing by everyday talking to your fellow employees before work and after work and maybe even having a bible study during your lunch hour.
This you can do. God uses us where we are at.
Instead if the word "church" think "community" or "family!" We met at the beach for worship, baptisms and a message from a pastor called to reach street people. We camped all weekend. Everyone cooked, cleaned, helped with the children, and used their gifts.
God blessed us with the Holy Spirit touching hearts and lives. We shared different ways to reach the lost in our hometown.
That is what "church" is all about! It is love, caring, teaching, sharing. It is the presence of God in our midst, and strangers becoming friends.
When I got saved 36 years ago, I came out of a background of being a professional musician. I gave my music to God, and trusted he would get me into a worship ministry where I would become famous. Instead, God gently humbled and taught me to be a servant, to play and sing when he called me. I pretty much always played flute, sang or led worship, but the "famous" part fell away long, long ago. I found a greater gift being sensitive and using my talents and skills to glorify God. I praise him for that!
God developed my character and shaped and molded me more through not getting famous than he ever could have if I had become a household name in Christian circles!
Yet, you speak out of thwarted ambition and bitterness for not receiving what you thought you deserved. The OP is one is the most bitter, broken testimonies I have ever read. It breaks my heart to see how arrogant you are towards God, and blaming it on men, when it is God you are so angry with.
Don't you you think if God wanted you in authority in music, teaching or preaching, that he wouldn't have done it? With God nothing is impossible! The angels are weeping that you do not trust him enough for a ministry other than false condemnation.
God blessed us with the Holy Spirit touching hearts and lives. We shared different ways to reach the lost in our hometown.
That is what "church" is all about! It is love, caring, teaching, sharing. It is the presence of God in our midst, and strangers becoming friends.
When I got saved 36 years ago, I came out of a background of being a professional musician. I gave my music to God, and trusted he would get me into a worship ministry where I would become famous. Instead, God gently humbled and taught me to be a servant, to play and sing when he called me. I pretty much always played flute, sang or led worship, but the "famous" part fell away long, long ago. I found a greater gift being sensitive and using my talents and skills to glorify God. I praise him for that!
God developed my character and shaped and molded me more through not getting famous than he ever could have if I had become a household name in Christian circles!
Yet, you speak out of thwarted ambition and bitterness for not receiving what you thought you deserved. The OP is one is the most bitter, broken testimonies I have ever read. It breaks my heart to see how arrogant you are towards God, and blaming it on men, when it is God you are so angry with.
Don't you you think if God wanted you in authority in music, teaching or preaching, that he wouldn't have done it? With God nothing is impossible! The angels are weeping that you do not trust him enough for a ministry other than false condemnation.
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Why do you refuse to tell anyone how you think a true NT fellowship meeting should look like to you?
I am new and asked you now 3x to tell us, but you never do..
People snake bit by the religious viper and have never taken the antidote[forgiveness] just inject venom themselves.
I would be very interested in what you think a NT fellowship meeting of believers should look like, but I am guarding my eyes and my skin from you, because like a cobra, all you do is spit death.
I am new and asked you now 3x to tell us, but you never do..
People snake bit by the religious viper and have never taken the antidote[forgiveness] just inject venom themselves.
I would be very interested in what you think a NT fellowship meeting of believers should look like, but I am guarding my eyes and my skin from you, because like a cobra, all you do is spit death.
Your OP is all about YOU and how satan is working in the organized church.
No proclaiming the gospel of Christ as directed in Scripture.
Your post #12, again, is all about YOU.
Your post #20, again, is all about YOU.
Your post #32 starts out with mention of Paul and John, but quickly turns, again, to YOU.
Quit moping around and get busy preaching the gospel of Christ, words which actually build up the body of Christ and bring benefit to the body.
And I am not saying I do not care about you and your life. I am saying that ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IS YOURSELF. And as much as I love you, the Lord Jesus Christ loves you more and when you focus on HIM instead of YOURSELF, you will be changed to look like HIM and all those years of turmoil will fade away.
No proclaiming the gospel of Christ as directed in Scripture.
Your post #12, again, is all about YOU.
Your post #20, again, is all about YOU.
Your post #32 starts out with mention of Paul and John, but quickly turns, again, to YOU.
Quit moping around and get busy preaching the gospel of Christ, words which actually build up the body of Christ and bring benefit to the body.
And I am not saying I do not care about you and your life. I am saying that ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IS YOURSELF. And as much as I love you, the Lord Jesus Christ loves you more and when you focus on HIM instead of YOURSELF, you will be changed to look like HIM and all those years of turmoil will fade away.