Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians
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Indeed there is personal prayer tongues, but that will be done... personally perhaps in the person's prayer closet, but not in public.
The order Paul gives for tongues is in reference to public tongues, say in church or among many people.
I do not blame God for disorder if it's done out of order. Since God is perfect and does things in His order, we cannot and do not blame Him. We can, however, instruct the individual who is out of order. When the Holy Spirit gives utterance to tongues in public, He will also give someone to interpret. If no one is present to interpret, then the individual who is speaking in tongues should be silent.
I'm not saying it's impossible for one to speak in tongues when there is no interpreter. I do question, however, whether the individual is speaking in tongues based on the unction of the Holy Spirit or self when in public and no interpreter is present. Speaking in tongues isn't a gift that we practice, as we are well aware there are people in many circles that instruct people to practice... perhaps by saying hallelujah over and over until tongues come out. This is not only sad to hear about, but completely not biblical. The Holy Spirit will give utterance to tongues whether individually or in public. However, if it is in public we do remember that order must be preserved. This is not saying that one blames God for disorder.
The order Paul gives for tongues is in reference to public tongues, say in church or among many people.
I do not blame God for disorder if it's done out of order. Since God is perfect and does things in His order, we cannot and do not blame Him. We can, however, instruct the individual who is out of order. When the Holy Spirit gives utterance to tongues in public, He will also give someone to interpret. If no one is present to interpret, then the individual who is speaking in tongues should be silent.
I'm not saying it's impossible for one to speak in tongues when there is no interpreter. I do question, however, whether the individual is speaking in tongues based on the unction of the Holy Spirit or self when in public and no interpreter is present. Speaking in tongues isn't a gift that we practice, as we are well aware there are people in many circles that instruct people to practice... perhaps by saying hallelujah over and over until tongues come out. This is not only sad to hear about, but completely not biblical. The Holy Spirit will give utterance to tongues whether individually or in public. However, if it is in public we do remember that order must be preserved. This is not saying that one blames God for disorder.
Minor clarification, BenFTW ---
Your parenthetical "(not use tongues)" is not entirely accurate according to 1 Cor 14:28. If there is no interpreter, the believer is not to speak in tongues out loud, and is instructed to keep silence by speaking to himself and to God.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Your parenthetical "(not use tongues)" is not entirely accurate according to 1 Cor 14:28. If there is no interpreter, the believer is not to speak in tongues out loud, and is instructed to keep silence by speaking to himself and to God.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Haha, well I think ignoring any Scripture isn't a good thing. And like I've always said, my prime focus is on prophesy not tongues. But tongues is definitely an extremely powerful tool that enemy is trying to come against because of its "mystical" qualities. The other day I was really dealing with some inner turmoil. And I started praying in tongues and it started to lift off me after a little time. When I don't know what to pray or I really want to pour out my heart to God tongues is very good.
Speaking in a different language is that important that it could put one in a perilous position?
I would think denying that Jesus paid for our sins could put one in a perilous position but the gift of tongues that was imparted to support the early church and is only mentioned a little here and there can hardly be worthy of such peril?
I do not think you are a hypocrit, just a younger brother who is a little misguided on the gift of tongues
, I am sure we all have some misguided ideas.
I would think denying that Jesus paid for our sins could put one in a perilous position but the gift of tongues that was imparted to support the early church and is only mentioned a little here and there can hardly be worthy of such peril?
I do not think you are a hypocrit, just a younger brother who is a little misguided on the gift of tongues
, I am sure we all have some misguided ideas.
Science is simply proving Scripture. Paul says when he prays in the spirit his mind is unfruitful. So he prays both with his mind and his spirit. I like to describe praying in tongues as pouring out my heart. I know without a shadow of a doubt that it is the spirit praying through me. So arguing this topic since I have actual experiences with it. Is like someone who's never touched a stove arguing with someone who has that it's not really "hot".
And yet it is clear that you do not support what you say with scripture. You go by what you feel or what you want the scripture to say not what is actually says. I'm not at all surprised by this because you need the Holy Spirit to open the scriptures to you and you have either grieved the Holy Spirit or other wise excluded Him from your understanding of scripture.
Ro 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 2:1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
I do not take the word of God lightly. I expect it to apply to me as well as every other man. I do not find any place in scripture where the new age mystical modernism is taught.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ro 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 2:1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
I do not take the word of God lightly. I expect it to apply to me as well as every other man. I do not find any place in scripture where the new age mystical modernism is taught.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Are you completely consumed by your hate?
I have presented an extensive case from scripture as to why the Pentecostal and charismatic movements use of tongues is not biblical. It is not up to me to make them believe it but they really cannot stand to hear the Gods truth on the matter.
If you had the ability I believe you would do to me what the Pharisees did to Stephen.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have presented an extensive case from scripture as to why the Pentecostal and charismatic movements use of tongues is not biblical. It is not up to me to make them believe it but they really cannot stand to hear the Gods truth on the matter.
If you had the ability I believe you would do to me what the Pharisees did to Stephen.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Kind of like what drugs do to the brain.
Why would God cause endorphins to be released into the brain? Wouldn't His presence be far better?
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Pharmakeia is the word for witchcraft in verse 20 which refers to drugs. All having to do with the flesh and not the Spirit.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Why would God cause endorphins to be released into the brain? Wouldn't His presence be far better?
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Pharmakeia is the word for witchcraft in verse 20 which refers to drugs. All having to do with the flesh and not the Spirit.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Actually the Holy Spirit is the cause for men coming to a saving knowledge of Christ.
John 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Tongues have no part in that ministry of the Holy Spirit because they are past.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Tongues have no part in that ministry of the Holy Spirit because they are past.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is after a person is born again that the manfestation is energized by the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:44-46 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
First the filling ... then the energizing.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:44-46 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
First the filling ... then the energizing.
They first had to be baptized in the Holy Spirit to be saved. Then they were filled by the Holy Spirit at which time as a sign to the unbelieving Jews that were present they spoke in tongues.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Was the miracle in the tongue of the speaker or the ears of the hearer?
Has anyone involved in the Pentecostal or charismatic movement ever claimed that the tongues they spoke were heard by people of different languages and all heard in their language which they understood?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Has anyone involved in the Pentecostal or charismatic movement ever claimed that the tongues they spoke were heard by people of different languages and all heard in their language which they understood?
For the cause of Christ
Roger