Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians
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Well this post does not seem to line up well with what you have written on Love, it just had a different tone, that is all I
can say.
You should really start a thread on on "thy kingdom come" it would be an interesting topic because as I have said I really do not see how you are applying this scripture but maybe further discussion would help.
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You should really start a thread on on "thy kingdom come" it would be an interesting topic because as I have said I really do not see how you are applying this scripture but maybe further discussion would help.
The idea Paul was using hyperbole is completely blown out of the water because he illustrates that no one understands tongues, but God when he addresses unbelievers entering if only tongues are being spoken. What does Paul say, won't they think you're out of your minds? It appears Paul was serious when he said tongues is a private language only God understands. That's why he says we need an interpretation when we are around people and not in private.
Fair enough.
God is love. So the reality of Him in our lives is very important.
God is also a spirit. And the things of God are foolishness to the fleshly mind. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
When Jesus healed people, He reveals, I set them free from the "oppression of Satan". When we see the world through the lens that it is oppressed by the enemy without the reality of God. And it is the power of God that sets the captives free. We become enrolled as followers of Christ. And He is love.
Love desires spiritual gifts. Especially for building up the church.
God is love. So the reality of Him in our lives is very important.
God is also a spirit. And the things of God are foolishness to the fleshly mind. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
When Jesus healed people, He reveals, I set them free from the "oppression of Satan". When we see the world through the lens that it is oppressed by the enemy without the reality of God. And it is the power of God that sets the captives free. We become enrolled as followers of Christ. And He is love.
Love desires spiritual gifts. Especially for building up the church.
You're right they did.
Because the angels were speaking TO men.
Tongues is speaking TO God.
So back to Paul's illustration of the need of interpreters with tongues being spoken.
You really just keep cracking me up "blown of the water" so so funny!!
If only, if only an angel would just come down from heaven right this minute to explain to you that each time they appeared on earth the used an earthly language!!
Because the angels were speaking TO men.
Tongues is speaking TO God.
So back to Paul's illustration of the need of interpreters with tongues being spoken.
You really just keep cracking me up "blown of the water" so so funny!!
If only, if only an angel would just come down from heaven right this minute to explain to you that each time they appeared on earth the used an earthly language!!
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Historical and textual context. Leading of the Holy Spirit in opening the meaning of the scripture.
Typical red herring. You misstate a truth to create a false narrative.
Do you have a heart that seeks the truth of Gods word?
You only know what you want to know and will not allow God to change your thinking.
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Roger
Typical red herring. You misstate a truth to create a false narrative.
Do you have a heart that seeks the truth of Gods word?
You only know what you want to know and will not allow God to change your thinking.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
How can you possibly conclude that God is pleased with His child speaking to Him and not knowing what he is saying? What kind of god do you worship?
New age mysticism has created a god who is not God. You are espousing paganism to a "T".
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
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Mt 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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Roger
New age mysticism has created a god who is not God. You are espousing paganism to a "T".
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
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Mt 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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Roger
When a believer prays in tongues, he/she blesses with the Spirit (1 Cor 14:16) and gives thanks well (1 Cor 14:17).
I, as a child of God, want to bless with the Spirit and give thanks well.
Please allow me the pleasure of doing so without your constant harping that I am not pleasing to Father in allowing the manifestation of tongues in my life. Thank you.
I worship the God and Father of my Lord Jesus Christ. The God Who desires us to worship Him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23,24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Really???
You believe that the manifestation of tongues (which is energized by Holy Spirit and it is the Holy Spirit Who gives the utterance) is the same as the vain repetitions of the heathen???
I, as a child of God, want to bless with the Spirit and give thanks well.
Please allow me the pleasure of doing so without your constant harping that I am not pleasing to Father in allowing the manifestation of tongues in my life. Thank you.
I worship the God and Father of my Lord Jesus Christ. The God Who desires us to worship Him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23,24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Really???
You believe that the manifestation of tongues (which is energized by Holy Spirit and it is the Holy Spirit Who gives the utterance) is the same as the vain repetitions of the heathen???
You have created a practice and doctrine that lacks any biblical support. How can you say there is blessing apart from understanding?
How can there be Spirit and Truth without understanding? It is like saying that one can be saved in Jesus name without knowing that Jesus is God the Father incarnate.
Without understanding how can one tell the difference? According to you even the speaker does not know the difference.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Please read Scripture with clarity ---
1 Corinthians 14:
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
When a believer speaks in tongues, it is his/her spirit praying. In 1 Cor 14:15, Paul said he prayed in tongues (his words "with the spirit") and he prayed with his understanding. Both methods of prayer are acceptable to God and He hears from Heaven.
Your argument is flawed. One cannot speak in tongues without having first been born again (saved).
When the believer speaks in tongues, he/she definitely knows the difference between the energizing by Holy Spirit / Holy Spirit giving the utterance vs. "the vain repetitions of the heathen".
And Father God knows the difference.
1 Corinthians 14:
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
When a believer speaks in tongues, it is his/her spirit praying. In 1 Cor 14:15, Paul said he prayed in tongues (his words "with the spirit") and he prayed with his understanding. Both methods of prayer are acceptable to God and He hears from Heaven.
Your argument is flawed. One cannot speak in tongues without having first been born again (saved).
When the believer speaks in tongues, he/she definitely knows the difference between the energizing by Holy Spirit / Holy Spirit giving the utterance vs. "the vain repetitions of the heathen".
And Father God knows the difference.
I am reading with clarity it is you that have carried over and confused praying in the Spirit with praying in tongues. That is not what Paul has said. He clearly delineates between tongues and praying with understanding.
That is simply not true. You see it that way because you cannot entertain that there are tongues that are not produced by the Holy Spirit but by the will of man. Not all but surely some.
While it is true that God knows there is certainly reasonable doubt about the ability of those who claim to speak being correct since doctrine that is biblically based is not a priority with them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Right. And he says in 1 Cor 14:16 that when speaking in tongues, thou shalt bless with the spirit and speaking in tongues is giving thanks well.
I don't know where you get your information but there absolutely are not tongues "that are not produced by the Holy Spirit".
If you are listening to something that is not produced by the Holy Spirit, it is absolutely not the manifestation of kinds of tongues.
Why do you make such outlandish statements? How do you know "doctrine that is biblically based is not a priority" with believers who speak in tongues?
You throw out blanket statements without considering the fact that the manifestation of tongues is still energized by God in our day and time.
Get over your doubt/fear of the manifestation, start letting God be God, and let Him decide who, what, where, when, how.
I don't know where you get your information but there absolutely are not tongues "that are not produced by the Holy Spirit".
If you are listening to something that is not produced by the Holy Spirit, it is absolutely not the manifestation of kinds of tongues.
Why do you make such outlandish statements? How do you know "doctrine that is biblically based is not a priority" with believers who speak in tongues?
You throw out blanket statements without considering the fact that the manifestation of tongues is still energized by God in our day and time.
Get over your doubt/fear of the manifestation, start letting God be God, and let Him decide who, what, where, when, how.
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The word spirit here in Greek is which also means breath. He is taking about language so in context he is using it to mean breath.
This is the direct relationship to the context of the passage where he talking about speaking and language.
I believe it was you who said understand in Context so you do not get conned. ( I know you said it better
)
When he is talking about spiritual it is translated as spiritual
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo'-mah)
Short Definition: wind, breath, spirit
Definition: wind, breath, spirit.
This is the direct relationship to the context of the passage where he talking about speaking and language.
I believe it was you who said understand in Context so you do not get conned. ( I know you said it better
)When he is talking about spiritual it is translated as spiritual
pneuma: wind, spirit
Original Word: πνεῦμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo'-mah)
Short Definition: wind, breath, spirit
Definition: wind, breath, spirit.
it is always interesting to see how those who choose to disbelieve what scripture plainly states, manage to twist and stretch things to suit their opinions
when a person comes in with a preconceived notion, and they desire to teach, rather than listen to the Word and the knowledge and wisdom of those who actually know what they are talking about, just about nothing you will ever say will change their mind
isn't that right?
thing is, these things are spiritually discerned, so, if the mind refuses, the truth is not getting in
You are reading into the scripture and not reading out of the scripture. Paul is not inferring that he is blessing and giving thanks in tongues but in the Holy Spirit. He can and did speak in known languages to those to whom he ministered the word of God. You are like the water baptism crowd that every place they see baptism they see water. Every place you see Spirit you see tongues. No wonder you are confused on this subject.
Hollywood has been producing tongues for entertainment purposes for years. I agree that these are not of God. The problem is that apart from biblical support there is no way that one can say with certainty that one is not the same as the other. We have the written word of God for this express reason that we may determine what is of God and what is counterfeit.
If biblical doctrine were a priority you would demonstrate from the bible why tongues are for today and not argue against what the scripture teaches.
I am letting God Who is God be God not creating a convenient god to manipulate into something less than Almighty God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger