Believers must fit God’s warnings into their belief system
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satan wants to win Gods approval, he is never trying to reveal Gods love. That is one thing that he tries to hide at ALL times. satans goal is,"See God, we can run this place successfully and WITHOUT you, because I made myself LIKE You.You are unjust."
I Agree. satan wants us to believe that God is unjust, unmerciful. Our flesh will do the same if we think we are working for Gods love or approval.
This is the, I mean THE deception........satan wants us to do all those things too. Just replace "Godly" with "good."
For every plan God has for our lives satan has a counterfeit. And the counterfeit is made to deceive. Try to get it as close to the original as possible in order to fool.
And this is synonymous with being filled and walking in the Spirit. Gods plan for the believer.
satan wants us to do it in our own power. Which would be our 'good', or self righteous side
I Agree. satan wants us to believe that God is unjust, unmerciful. Our flesh will do the same if we think we are working for Gods love or approval.
This is the, I mean THE deception........satan wants us to do all those things too. Just replace "Godly" with "good."
For every plan God has for our lives satan has a counterfeit. And the counterfeit is made to deceive. Try to get it as close to the original as possible in order to fool.
And this is synonymous with being filled and walking in the Spirit. Gods plan for the believer.
satan wants us to do it in our own power. Which would be our 'good', or self righteous side
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That describes our flesh. satan gets way to much credit. satan is in the business of getting rid of Gods people, or shutting them up by any means......to blind us from Gods Grace.
And the tactic that works best for him is "get these people to think that they are good enough." and that doesn't involve trying to get everybody to sin as much as possible.
And the tactic that works best for him is "get these people to think that they are good enough." and that doesn't involve trying to get everybody to sin as much as possible.
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Well at least you admit, it is only your opinion.
I agree in part. I think many churches are not true churches at all. they just use the name of Jesus.
But there are other churches which have people seeking god who have not come to God yet, and need a savior. and we should not judge them, When jesus refused to judge then (I came to save, not to judge)
As for believers, Again, God trumps your opinion.
1 John 3: [SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [SUP][b][/SUP]knows Him.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; [SUP]8 [/SUP]the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [SUP][c][/SUP]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9[/SUP]No one who is [SUP][d][/SUP]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [SUP][e][/SUP]born of God.
Any person who has truly repented and trusted in Christ knows this, It is foolish to think a person can repent, and claim he has faith in God and think it is ok to live in sin. Jude destroys this thought by telling us these people who turn the grace of God to licentiousness are doomed for destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [SUP][d][/SUP]marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
As we can see, It was a problem in our churches back then, and it still is today.
And it will be until creation is perfected.
1st off. You need to study the word grace, Grace means unmerited favor. Unearned favor. It can not be bought, It can not be purchased, It is not a wage, it is not a reward, it is not a paycheck given for work done.
It is a gift, given freely and unmeritoriously to the one it is given to.
But it is NOT FREE, it is paid for by the giver, in the case of the grace of God, the price paid was the humiliation of the cross.
So please. this "free grace" nonsense.. Let it go.. It does not work.
On the other hand, Saying salvation can be earned by our good deeds, Our own righteousness, Our ability to stop sin, or to learn to be obedient to God, or that salvation can be had by mere believe with no repentance or faith. Not those are from the pits of hell
Or your misinterpretation of who the warning are given to, or the meaning behind them.
As you said, It was your opinion.
And we should be surprised? You think you will stop it? The only way to stop it is to give people the god of heaven, Not their distorted view of who God is,, The sheep. God will weed them out. Let the sinners have their fn, Your not going to stop these pastors.. No one can ..
No, If they are in bondage and in need of being delivered, They are not born again believers, They have not been given the seal of the spirit. or the indqwelling of the spirit. The God who promised to perfect them until the day of Christ is not doing anything, because they have not yet been saved.
The lord chastens those who are his,, His children who sin do not stay in sin long, God does not allow it, He chasten them and goes after them until they return, Who can withstand the chastening of God.
If they are not chastened, they are not children, That's why they continue in habitual sin.
Nope. The HS is in each and every believer, and he is way more powerful than any demon..
A believer has to worry more about his flesh than demons.. The desires of the flesh are strong.. And we can fall into sin.. But thank God we have the spirit. Who chastens us and brings us back.
I agree in part. I think many churches are not true churches at all. they just use the name of Jesus.
But there are other churches which have people seeking god who have not come to God yet, and need a savior. and we should not judge them, When jesus refused to judge then (I came to save, not to judge)
As for believers, Again, God trumps your opinion.
1 John 3: [SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [SUP][b][/SUP]knows Him.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; [SUP]8 [/SUP]the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [SUP][c][/SUP]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9[/SUP]No one who is [SUP][d][/SUP]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [SUP][e][/SUP]born of God.
Any person who has truly repented and trusted in Christ knows this, It is foolish to think a person can repent, and claim he has faith in God and think it is ok to live in sin. Jude destroys this thought by telling us these people who turn the grace of God to licentiousness are doomed for destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [SUP][d][/SUP]marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
As we can see, It was a problem in our churches back then, and it still is today.
And it will be until creation is perfected.
1st off. You need to study the word grace, Grace means unmerited favor. Unearned favor. It can not be bought, It can not be purchased, It is not a wage, it is not a reward, it is not a paycheck given for work done.
It is a gift, given freely and unmeritoriously to the one it is given to.
But it is NOT FREE, it is paid for by the giver, in the case of the grace of God, the price paid was the humiliation of the cross.
So please. this "free grace" nonsense.. Let it go.. It does not work.
On the other hand, Saying salvation can be earned by our good deeds, Our own righteousness, Our ability to stop sin, or to learn to be obedient to God, or that salvation can be had by mere believe with no repentance or faith. Not those are from the pits of hell
Or your misinterpretation of who the warning are given to, or the meaning behind them.
As you said, It was your opinion.
And we should be surprised? You think you will stop it? The only way to stop it is to give people the god of heaven, Not their distorted view of who God is,, The sheep. God will weed them out. Let the sinners have their fn, Your not going to stop these pastors.. No one can ..
No, If they are in bondage and in need of being delivered, They are not born again believers, They have not been given the seal of the spirit. or the indqwelling of the spirit. The God who promised to perfect them until the day of Christ is not doing anything, because they have not yet been saved.
The lord chastens those who are his,, His children who sin do not stay in sin long, God does not allow it, He chasten them and goes after them until they return, Who can withstand the chastening of God.
If they are not chastened, they are not children, That's why they continue in habitual sin.
Nope. The HS is in each and every believer, and he is way more powerful than any demon..
A believer has to worry more about his flesh than demons.. The desires of the flesh are strong.. And we can fall into sin.. But thank God we have the spirit. Who chastens us and brings us back.
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first off.. You need to act like a believer.. And practice what you preach.
And second off. The warnings have been dealt with numerous times, Just because you may not agree, does not mean they have not been dealt with.
third, you need to watch your language, Your screaming repent, but your like every other person who preaches law. You turn yourself int a hypocrite, because you sin with no repentance.
FYI, the enormously-popular free-grace doctrine simply refers to
believers who are trusting in God's grace without any accountability.
That's why they think they can be habitual sinners and get away with it.
NOT SO ... according to dozens of dire warnings in the NT.
Another FYI ... many of my favorites are in the OP.
Still another FYI ... OP means Opening Post or Original Post.
Have another great day of blindness and denial.
believers who are trusting in God's grace without any accountability.
That's why they think they can be habitual sinners and get away with it.
NOT SO ... according to dozens of dire warnings in the NT.
Another FYI ... many of my favorites are in the OP.
Still another FYI ... OP means Opening Post or Original Post.
Have another great day of blindness and denial.
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Of course, this is the most critical thing!
But, don't for a moment believe that any of this is compatible with habitual sinning,
which is rampant in the church (members and pastors included).
Let's get off the spiritual technicalities ... and address the crux of the churches' problems!
NO ONE gets to heaven who is involved with unrepentant habitual sinning!
But, don't for a moment believe that any of this is compatible with habitual sinning,
which is rampant in the church (members and pastors included).
Let's get off the spiritual technicalities ... and address the crux of the churches' problems!
NO ONE gets to heaven who is involved with unrepentant habitual sinning!
yep. you are correct. people hear legalistic garbage, this " God only loves good people ' lie is poison.
we are saved by grace, only grace, the N.T. makes this clear. Titus 3, the whole letter of Romans. stop reading half the Bible, making a " sinners in the hand of angry God " non-sense theology. you know, for God so loved the world....
we are saved by grace, only grace, the N.T. makes this clear. Titus 3, the whole letter of Romans. stop reading half the Bible, making a " sinners in the hand of angry God " non-sense theology. you know, for God so loved the world....
It is so hard to explain.
So, so hard.
The only way to explain is for one to understand that GOD is a GOOD FATHER and HE disciplines HIS CHILDREN so that their faith, more precious than gold though purified and refined in the fire, will rest entirely in and on HIM and prove genuine to HIS GLORY and PRAISE...
So, so hard.
The only way to explain is for one to understand that GOD is a GOOD FATHER and HE disciplines HIS CHILDREN so that their faith, more precious than gold though purified and refined in the fire, will rest entirely in and on HIM and prove genuine to HIS GLORY and PRAISE...
God imputes His righteousness to sinners by grace. Grace excludes merit and work which requires a reward.
What great presumption to assert that God Who gave His dear Son Jesus Christ as a sacrifice for sin would then withhold the riches of heaven from His dear children. The price, the ransom that God paid to redeem each of us from sin can never be discounted as you would have us to believe.
Romans 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 ¶ For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
If only you could understand this passage you could not be so quick to accuse the brethren.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What great presumption to assert that God Who gave His dear Son Jesus Christ as a sacrifice for sin would then withhold the riches of heaven from His dear children. The price, the ransom that God paid to redeem each of us from sin can never be discounted as you would have us to believe.
Romans 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 ¶ For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
If only you could understand this passage you could not be so quick to accuse the brethren.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I can see that it is rampart in the church - I have seen your posts that reveal you are in that same group that you condemn as in post #111
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...s-into-their-belief-system-6.html#post2794821
What you are doing is no different than someone living a homosexual lifestyle and trying to justify it. This kind of behavior is also noted in Gal. 5:19-21 and here below.
Colossians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...s-into-their-belief-system-6.html#post2794821
What you are doing is no different than someone living a homosexual lifestyle and trying to justify it. This kind of behavior is also noted in Gal. 5:19-21 and here below.
Colossians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.