Believers must fit God’s warnings into their belief system
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its a statement not a cryptic message that needs interpretation. it says "this is how you know who the children of God arem they that practice what is right...and this is how you know who arent His choildren those who practice what is not right." it needs no " lens" it requoires faith in Gods word alone
oits the only tactic the gog doctrine allows omit, twist and then accuse someone of attacking them.....ive seen oit now for months. the basis of the doctrine is " if God rewuires me to obey, then its not Grace." the doctrine cuts a person off at the knees from the start. until they accept the gospel is true and relevant to believers, its spiritual blindness that comes through the doctrine, sad thing is, if a person begins and hold to Jesus doctrine is right and perfect, then all the blindness goes away and the light manifests so that all of the things paul writes, become clear and find thier perfect place
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Originally Posted by ZacharyB
“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
Who is talking
Who is he talking to
What is he talking about
Is the verse part of an overall thought or stand alone
When you and zach are able to answer these things we will have something to talk about.
this goes back to the blindness issue. look at the one single verse. its written to the church of Jesus Christ, you do realize that at this point, john was the last remaining apostle and the church father? thats the issue with this doctrine. when you guys see something that requires you to repent and obey God, then you begin saying "its written to only these other people its not for the church, not for believers ect" thats what the gog forces you to do, because the doctrine of unconditional salvation doesnt agree with what is written. the entire word of God is written to those who believe. from Matthew 1:1, it is to be applied for every believer. the thing is this : when you accept the gospel, you dont have to omit anything else, it all comes together to make a clear and simple message of mans salvation offered By God, through the gospel of His Only Son.
it doesnt matter what book or scripture someone offers to you folks, anything requireing repentance and obedience, your doctrine forces you to omit it, by making up stories and philosphies that " well thius ones for others, that one, thats pre cross, oh that one nahh,,,thats only adressed to the jews." its a circle of denial thats why i do my best to ignore the gog pushers. anything that would bring repentance and righteousness, your doctrine simply omits and makes an excuse why it doesnt apply. if you accept the true Gospel, it doesnt need to do that. it clears it alllll up , makes a perfectly ordered and complete message that is simple and clear, including " Grace and truth" which offer salvation to all who will accept and believe. ill let someone else go in this circle. ive been round and round since january. it doesnt matter how many clear scriptures, the gog is to willing to omit it because their hopw is in websters definition of " grace" so if Gods word says something that doesnt fit the term grace, well then, omit, twist, hide from, deny is the method. its not you, its the doctrine that blinds
it doesnt matter what book or scripture someone offers to you folks, anything requireing repentance and obedience, your doctrine forces you to omit it, by making up stories and philosphies that " well thius ones for others, that one, thats pre cross, oh that one nahh,,,thats only adressed to the jews." its a circle of denial thats why i do my best to ignore the gog pushers. anything that would bring repentance and righteousness, your doctrine simply omits and makes an excuse why it doesnt apply. if you accept the true Gospel, it doesnt need to do that. it clears it alllll up , makes a perfectly ordered and complete message that is simple and clear, including " Grace and truth" which offer salvation to all who will accept and believe. ill let someone else go in this circle. ive been round and round since january. it doesnt matter how many clear scriptures, the gog is to willing to omit it because their hopw is in websters definition of " grace" so if Gods word says something that doesnt fit the term grace, well then, omit, twist, hide from, deny is the method. its not you, its the doctrine that blinds
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Here is a story...tell me what you think.
You watch an interaction between a father and his toddler.
Dad: do you need help tying your shoes son?
Son: no I have it
(five minutes later, kid takes the shoe and throws it at his dad.)
Dad: calm down son and let's talk about what is wrong. Lets reason together.
Son: it's too hard! You asked me to do something too hard! I hate those shoes!
What do you think the dad would say?
You watch an interaction between a father and his toddler.
Dad: do you need help tying your shoes son?
Son: no I have it
(five minutes later, kid takes the shoe and throws it at his dad.)
Dad: calm down son and let's talk about what is wrong. Lets reason together.
Son: it's too hard! You asked me to do something too hard! I hate those shoes!
What do you think the dad would say?
Gods been warning man of sin being death from adam, to cain, to the flood, to the law, to the prophets, to the gospel, to the book of acts, to the epistles of paul, to the epietles of peter, james, jude and john, to the book of revelation. there is a consistant warning from God. Grace doesnt just give salvation, it gives righteousness, and that leads to salvation. sin is still death. refusal to repent of sin, is death. conviction and condemnation are diferent. to be convicted that a person is doing something sinful, leads to repentance. condemnation comes when a person refuses to repent while knowing what they are doing, is sinful
what about when the son is grown and soaked in lighter fluid, the Father is saying, put down the matches, stop striking them, or you will be set on fire eventually.......when the son is then set on fire, is it the father to blame for not being a good parent? when all along hes been warning the son first to stay away from the lighter fluid, and then when the son did his own thing and was eventually soaked in it, the faither was saying, dont pick those mathces up, the kid ignored Him, then began striking match by match even though the father is telling him warning him not to or He will be burned.
who is to blame if the father told Him right all along? were not always 5 or 6. we grow and need to heed warnings and instructions because the father is wise enough and cares enough.
when adam ate the fruit, he was warned of the consequence beforehand. the warning was meant to keep him safe, he ate, and was cursed like God had said. those warnings are meant to keep us from sin, because sin=death.
who is to blame if the father told Him right all along? were not always 5 or 6. we grow and need to heed warnings and instructions because the father is wise enough and cares enough.
when adam ate the fruit, he was warned of the consequence beforehand. the warning was meant to keep him safe, he ate, and was cursed like God had said. those warnings are meant to keep us from sin, because sin=death.
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Even after the son is burnt does the father stop loving him? Is he no longer a son?
If the foundation of their beliefs is Christ than they will be saved.
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1 Corinthians 3:12-15New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
If the foundation of their beliefs is Christ than they will be saved.
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1 Corinthians 3:12-15New International Version (NIV)
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
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Why did you not answer the question? Was it so hard you could not understand it
All we have here is a bunch of run arounds which never got to the point of the questions asked.
John had certain group of people in mind when he spoke those words, who were they? what is it that makes the bible so hard for some people to read? and understand?
All we have here is a bunch of run arounds which never got to the point of the questions asked.
John had certain group of people in mind when he spoke those words, who were they? what is it that makes the bible so hard for some people to read? and understand?
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When we learn to walk out our faith sometimes we try and do things we aren't developmentally ready to do spiritually speaking. Sometimes we try to do this without God's help.
All through the old testament it talks about how God sent His heavenly host to fight the battles of His people...the world saw the prophets as being alone. However if we have God we never walk alone, He will always have our back.
Condemnation is when you have asked for forgiveness and still feel unclean, unworthy and unsaved. Its a lie...you may have committed murder or sins that you would rank higher or lower in degree....we all deserve death but grace, the gospel message says Jesus died for our sins and God forgives us because of that fact and that fact alone. No works or striving hard enough will do it.....if your foundation is Christ than your works will be tested by fire...it may last or be burnt up but you will be saved either way if your foundation is Christ Jesus .
All through the old testament it talks about how God sent His heavenly host to fight the battles of His people...the world saw the prophets as being alone. However if we have God we never walk alone, He will always have our back.
Condemnation is when you have asked for forgiveness and still feel unclean, unworthy and unsaved. Its a lie...you may have committed murder or sins that you would rank higher or lower in degree....we all deserve death but grace, the gospel message says Jesus died for our sins and God forgives us because of that fact and that fact alone. No works or striving hard enough will do it.....if your foundation is Christ than your works will be tested by fire...it may last or be burnt up but you will be saved either way if your foundation is Christ Jesus .
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Great answer, there is the flame.
God is not going to over rule our free will, If we want to light ourselves on fire, God will let us, It will never stop him from loving us, or more inportantly, Keeping his promise.
As the holy word says, Even when we are faithless, He is faithful, he can not deny himself.
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This is what the Father has said to me when I have thrown a temper tantrum and feel discouraged....
Father: child, you don't have to do everything by yourself. Don't be mad. You are still learning and I forgive you for throwing the shoe at me, but you need to say you are sorry and forgive yourself.
Let me show you how to tie one shoe and you can try and tie the other. Don't stress out...take your time, and remember that I will always love you no matter what.
Father: child, you don't have to do everything by yourself. Don't be mad. You are still learning and I forgive you for throwing the shoe at me, but you need to say you are sorry and forgive yourself.
Let me show you how to tie one shoe and you can try and tie the other. Don't stress out...take your time, and remember that I will always love you no matter what.
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Amen sis, This is why people who have been given grace love and mercy want to follow God. Not because they HAVE TO, but because they WANT TO.
What is it that seperates legalism from grace.
Grace believer follow God out of gratitude, faith and love, because they want to please the one who loved them with his own life.
legalsim claims you have to do this or else.
That never works.. Never has, never will
Who would not want to follow a father (abba) like this?
What is it that seperates legalism from grace.
Grace believer follow God out of gratitude, faith and love, because they want to please the one who loved them with his own life.
legalsim claims you have to do this or else.
That never works.. Never has, never will
Who would not want to follow a father (abba) like this?
Following are sections of the OP that have been improved/added:
It is necessary to understand: Being led by the Holy Spirit -- in obeying Jesus,
following His commands, etc. is just simply “your reasonable service” (Romans 12:1),
and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and
manifest Myself to him. … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word;
and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home
with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:21-24)
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.” (John 15:14)
IMO, to enter heaven it is necessary …
to love Jesus, to be Jesus’ friend, and to obey Jesus’ commands!
“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions” (Galatians 5:24)
“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
Please notice the difference between God’s children and Satan’s children!
And notice again that our righteousness is maintained through obedience and repentance.
“… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
The new covenant is so much superior to the old one because
God has given believers a new nature, plus the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Now, it would be so much easier for His people to satisfy Him and His holiness.
They could co-operate with His Spirit in obeying Him and being sanctified unto holiness.
Therefore, if we take into account God’s warnings, we must conclude …
True saving faith results from: grace • belief • faith • trust • obedience • fellowship • endurance
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Matthew: 19. 16. Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" 17. "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments." 18. "Which ones?" he inquired. Jesus replied, "'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19. honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'" 20. "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?" 21. Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." 22. When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." 25. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" 26. Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." 27. Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?" 28. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
Eternal life is based upon the true gospel: Jesus death on the cross for the remission of sins.
If you build on any other foundation (your own works or righteousness) than you are building on shifting sand and with a flood or drought your house will fall.
Eternal life is based upon the true gospel: Jesus death on the cross for the remission of sins.
If you build on any other foundation (your own works or righteousness) than you are building on shifting sand and with a flood or drought your house will fall.