Believers must fit God’s warnings into their belief system

[eternally-gratefull]

Following are sections of the OP that have been improved/added:

It is necessary to understand: Being led by the Holy Spirit -- in obeying Jesus,
following His commands, etc. is just simply “your reasonable service” (Romans 12:1),
and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and
manifest Myself to him. … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word;
and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home
with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:21-24)
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.” (John 15:14)
IMO, to enter heaven it is necessary …
to love Jesus, to be Jesus’ friend, and to obey Jesus’ commands!

“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions” (Galatians 5:24)

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
Please notice the difference between God’s children and Satan’s children!
And notice again that our righteousness is maintained through obedience and repentance.
“… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

The new covenant is so much superior to the old one because
God has given believers a new nature, plus the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Now, it would be so much easier for His people to satisfy Him and His holiness.
They could co-operate with His Spirit in obeying Him and being sanctified unto holiness.

Therefore, if we take into account God’s warnings, we must conclude …
True saving faith results from: grace • belief • faith • trust • obedience • fellowship • endurance

Just so you know. I disagree

The new covenant is so much greater than the old, because the old demanded perfection, And anyone who did not live up to his standard was cursed with death.

The new covenant wants what is best for us, And desires that we come to saving faith to learn the ways of God. But does not demand perfection (something that only God himself can attain) But gives us the power to keep pushing forward so we we can grow in the knowledge, experience and love of our savior.

Something the old could never do.

 

[notuptome]

Gods warning: The soul that sinneth it shall die.

Ge 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The promise of Christ: Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ZacharyB]

If you build on any other foundation (your own works or righteousness)
then you are building on shifting sand and with a flood or drought your house will fall.

Why don't you complain to God about His writers of the NT, whom I have been quoting verbatim.
Verbatim means word-for-word.

 

[ZacharyB]

The promise of Christ: Ro 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

All habitual sinners fail to be involved in repentance, resulting in eternal death.
Those chosen (the elect) are initially given the incredible gift of faith by way of God's grace.
But, all gifts can be taken back, or in God's case, let's use the word "revoked".
The gift of the Holy Spirit can also be taken back (removed).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why don't you complain to God about His writers of the NT, whom I have been quoting verbatim.
Verbatim means word-for-word.

people quote scripture all the time,

It does not mean they support what they are saying.

If this was true, The pharisee would be justified in their saying, because they quotes scripture verbatim to support their false teachings.

 

[Ariel82]

Why don't you complain to God about His writers of the NT, whom I have been quoting verbatim.
Verbatim means word-for-word.

Satan quoted scripture word for word too.

Jesus response was to show what God wants us to do and believe. I am just following my Savior's example.

The Law never saved anyone. Grace and mercy does.

It saddens me that you can't see the importance of halving faith in Christ as your foundation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All habitual sinners fail to be involved in repentance, resulting in eternal death.
Those chosen (the elect) are initially given the incredible gift of faith by way of God's grace.
But, all gifts can be taken back, or in God's case, let's use the word "revoked".
The gift of the Holy Spirit can also be taken back (removed).

All habitual sinners have never met God, nor do they know God. This is what the word of God says, (see the apostle john in his epistles for starters)

So why would you say a habitual sinner can be a child of God, or ever was when scripture plainly says they never were?

 

[Ariel82]

All habitual sinners fail to be involved in repentance, resulting in eternal death.
Those chosen (the elect) are initially given the incredible gift of faith by way of God's grace.
But, all gifts can be taken back, or in God's case, let's use the word "revoked".
The gift of the Holy Spirit can also be taken back (removed).

Such an worldly view of God's love.

You know Adam and Eve hide in shame, but God still sought them out. He still loved them enough to clothe them in animal skins. He still gave the prophecy of the promised SEED who would save them.

God love is bigger than some business transaction. You can't buy it with good behavior and you can't lose it if you wander off like a prodigal son.

You can preach condemnation by taking Bible verses out of context and stringing them together, but it is a lie.

I will pray for you and any young believer you encounter that walks into the ditch with you. I only came to see if I wanted to get to know you and your beliefs, but with your confrontational attitude....nah not interested.

Good bye.

 

[ZacharyB]

It saddens me that you can't see the importance of halving faith in Christ as your foundation.

It saddens me that you assume that I don't.
What I do iz: point out all of God's warnings to everyone, believers included.
Why art thou so afraid of God's warnings?

 

[ZacharyB]

All habitual sinners have never met God, nor do they know God. This is what the word of God says, (see the apostle john in his epistles for starters)
So why would you say a habitual sinner can be a child of God, or ever was when scripture plainly says they never were?

IMO, American churches today are absolutely filled with born-again believers who are habitual sinners.
But, they need to KNOW that this is NOT acceptable, i.e. free-grace OSAS is from the very pits of hell.
Hence the copious warnings.

It is not IMO, but a fact, that many pastors are in this exact same category!
Travelling evangelists report it as so.
As do several confidential polls of pastors.

Duzn't thou comprehend?
Many born-again believers are in bondage to Satan and his emissaries.
And they know it ... because it is so obvious.
They need to be set free, i.e. delivered.
They need to find a good Deliverance Ministry which specializes in this.

Demons drive, compel, bully, etc. believers into sinning habitually.
Many believers are NOT strong enough to overcome this on their own.

 

[FreeNChrist]

IMO, American churches today are absolutely filled with born-again believers who are habitual sinners.
But, they need to KNOW that this is NOT acceptable, i.e. free-grace OSAS is from the very pits of hell.
Hence the copious warnings.

It is not IMO, but a fact, that many pastors are in this exact same category!
Travelling evangelists report it as so.
As do several confidential polls of pastors.

Duzn't thou comprehend?
Many born-again believers are in bondage to Satan and his emissaries.
And they know it ... because it is so obvious.
They need to be set free, i.e. delivered.
They need to find a good Deliverance Ministry which specializes in this.

Demons drive, compel, bully, etc. believers into sinning habitually.
Many believers are NOT strong enough to overcome this on their own.

And you think the answer is to give them Law?? The Law can make a person look good on the outside, but it cannot change the heart or build internal character. Law cannot produce growth and grace, in fact it actually works against the process of growing in grace, because as the Bible says, "the power of sin IS the Law" (Corinthians 15:56).

As long as people are kept under the Law, they are kept under the power of sin. The Law is not only powerless to change a heart, it actually stirs up sinful desires.

If you were really concerned about "others" and their habitual sinning, you would be giving them more grace, not more law. It is Grace that teaches us to say no to ungodliness and to stand upright (Titus 2:12), not the Law.

 

[ZacharyB]

It is necessary to understand: Being led by the Holy Spirit -- in obeying Jesus,
following His commands, etc. is just simply “your reasonable service”
(Romans 12:1), and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

 

[FreeNChrist]

It is necessary to understand: Being led by the Holy Spirit -- in obeying Jesus,
following His commands, etc. is just simply “your reasonable service”
(Romans 12:1), and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

Actually what needs to be understood is that we are saved by grace through faith, and that as saved Christians we are not under the Law, but under grace. And our obedience is our continuing to live as we began, by grace through faith.

The righteous are those who live by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[ZacharyB]

Actually what needs to be understood is that we are saved by grace through faith, and that as saved Christians we are not under the Law, but under grace. And our obedience is our continuing to live as we began, by grace through faith.

The righteous are those who live by faith in Jesus Christ.

IMO, you need to quit all of your BS and deal with the warnings in the OP.

 

[FreeNChrist]

IMO, you need to quit all of your BS and deal with the warnings in the OP.

I have Jesus. You have the Law. And we can all see how well it is working for you.

 

[Ugly]

IMO, you need to quit all of your BS and deal with the warnings in the OP.

Conversations flow. If you're going to get mad at every thread you start that gets sidetracked, you're going to be mad every time you post a thread.
And perhaps God put those things on your heart for You. Just because you think it's a priority right this minute doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. Different people have different roles and are at different places in their walks. Everyone on this site has an issue they think needs to be addressed.
It seems humans are great at thinking what's important to them is required to be important to everyone they tell it to. That's pride.

 

[Gr8grace]

IMO, you need to quit all of your BS and deal with the warnings in the OP.

That "BS" is truth staring ya right in the face. It truly is sad to watch.

Give Grace a shot. Just try 6 months. Grace will reveal to you that satan isn't interested in trying to get us to sin and sin habitually. he is vitally interested in getting us to stop sinning and clean up our lives...........in our own power.

In reality, people sinning gives testimony to the weakness of satan towards man. satan wants this world to work and be good........just without The Lord Jesus Christ. And he can't control our flesh(I reckon it drives him nuts)

 

[Ariel82]

Actually what needs to be understood is that we are saved by grace through faith, and that as saved Christians we are not under the Law, but under grace. And our obedience is our continuing to live as we began, by grace through faith.

The righteous are those who live by faith in Jesus Christ.

What does it mean to live by faith in Christ?

What does faith in Christ cause to happen?

 

[Ariel82]

That "BS" is truth staring ya right in the face. It truly is sad to watch.

Give Grace a shot. Just try 6 months. Grace will reveal to you that satan isn't interested in trying to get us to sin and sin habitually. he is vitally interested in getting us to stop sinning and clean up our lives...........in our own power.

In reality, people sinning gives testimony to the weakness of satan towards man. satan wants this world to work and be good........just without The Lord Jesus Christ. And he can't control our flesh(I reckon it drives him nuts)

No that's not true either.

Satan wants people to keep trying to be good enough to win God's love, but never hear God's cries for them over the whip and condemnation Satan tells in their ear...


God wants us to be good and holy and pure and live godly lives too. He has work he wants us to do...feed the hungry, clothe the poor, visit prisoners, comfort widows, etc.

However he wants us to do it because we are overflowing with His love and acceptance. Not because we are afraid if we don't do good, he will disown us and we will lose our salvation.

 

[Ariel82]

Conversations flow. If you're going to get mad at every thread you start that gets sidetracked, you're going to be mad every time you post a thread.
And perhaps God put those things on your heart for You. Just because you think it's a priority right this minute doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. Different people have different roles and are at different places in their walks. Everyone on this site has an issue they think needs to be addressed.
It seems humans are great at thinking what's important to them is required to be important to everyone they tell it to. That's pride.

I found that message to be very true....often time the conviction comes because I am not doing what God calls me to do...I feel tempted to make excuses and judge others for not do it either...like my kids say "why do I have to take out the trash or watch dishes and my brother or sister gets to watch tv...it's not fair. Everyone should do it...make her/him stop and help me or I am not doing it."

That makes me mad, but I take a deep breathe and pray..,what has God said to me?

So I tell my kids...

Your sister/brother has other jobs they have already been doing while you rested and toke a break. Its their break time and your work time. Please do what I asked so we can go on with our day, because if I have to do it all alone then I won't have any time to spend with you.

So sometimes God's message to work is just for us and sometimes His message is to rest in Him because we are doing too much and losing our peace and joy.