Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

[Quasar92]

Have you decided to answer my questions about Is 48 yet?

Where the god of Isreal who created the heavens and the earth was sent by the Father and his spirit?

Who is this, if it is not Jesus?

This is important. Because it would make the God in the burning bush who said his name is I am who I am is jesus hmself.. sent from the father

Yes, that was one of the many theophanies of the pre-incarnate Jesus during OT times. As the Scriptures say:

Heb.1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."


Quasar92

 

[miknik5]

It is understood by all who have entered into any discussion or argument in defense of the trinity that 1 John 5:7-8 are thought to be considered additions. However, nothing is said of 1 John 5:6

correct?

 

[Quasar92]

It is understood by all who have entered into any discussion or argument in defense of the trinity that 1 John 5:7-8 are thought to be considered additions. However, nothing is said of 1 John 5:6

correct?

1 Jn.5:5-6 are not in conflict as verse 7 is, that never appeared in any of the more reliable Greek mss. It was a Latin additive in the 12th century.

[SUP]1 Jn.5:5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth."


Quasar92

 

[miknik5]

meant 1 John 5:6

this is HE who came not by water only

 

[miknik5]

Please review 1 John 5:6

What you posted is neither 1 John 5:5 or 1 John 5:6

 

[Quasar92]

Does the quote you made of the statement I made not say that I earned a Masters degree? Do you need a new pair of glasses?

You will receive no more response from me until you put everything I have written that you use, in proper quotes.


Quasar92

 

[miknik5]

1 Jn.5:5-6 are not in conflict as verse 7 is, that never appeared in any of the more reliable Greek mss. It was a Latin additive in the 12th century.

[SUP]1 Jn.5:5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth."


Quasar92

Why did you post this? Please review 1 John 5:5 and 1john 5:6

i don't understand why you posted a different verse referenced to the above verse which I was questioning

That is (and I paraphrase) "this is He who came not by WATER only

This verse comes directly before the questioned verses 1 John 5:7 and 1 John 5:8

 

[Quasar92]

Please review 1 John 5:6

What you posted is neither 1 John 5:5 or 1 John 5:6

[SUP]1 Jn.5:5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth." NIV.

There are other Bibles beside the KJV.


Quasar92

 

[miknik5]

Please. 1 John 1:5 and 1 John 5:5 are two different verses

and in EVERY VERSION it will still be the same words

You provided 1 John 1:5

i didn't

i provided 1john 5:6 to support the truth that regardless of 1 John 5:7 and 8 being questioned 1john5:5 still says something that should be noted

this is HE who came not by water only

just st as I

 

[miknik5]

[SUP]1 Jn.5:5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth." NIV.

There are other Bibles beside the KJV.


Quasar92

Sir? I have no idea what point you were trying to make but thank you for causing unnecessary confusion

 

[miknik5]

I'll say it again:

HE must reign until all has been accomplished

 

[Quasar92]

You are highlighting an issue which is obvious in one sense.

Did Jesus have a separate identity from the Father prior to the incarnation?

And my answer is I do not know. Some would hold they did, which would make sense.

Love is about fellowship. Can God make himself into more than just the trinity? Maybe.

But there is a large difference between copies of who you are, and independent loving beings
of a similar heart to the Father, but not of His essence.

The Father created us knowing to have fellowship with creatures with free will and the ability
to choose love or power, the risk was always those who touch life will destroy themselves.

But this price was worth eternity with Him. It strikes me if you understand the nature of love
and choice, the door has to be truly open. It is also why I tend towards the lake of fire being
annihilation rather than eternal punishment. Poetic, those who hate God get their desire, the end.

And the trinity reflects Gods nature of community and fellowship and not isolation.

About the lake of fire:

[SUP]Mk.9:47 [/SUP]"And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, [SUP]48 [/SUP]where

“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.[SUP]"


Quasar92[/SUP]

 

[miknik5]

About the lake of fire:

[SUP]Mk.9:47 [/SUP]"And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, [SUP]48 [/SUP]where

“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.[SUP]"


Quasar92[/SUP]

Oh?
Okaaay...

thanks?

 

[miknik5]

I guess our back and forth "exchange" is over

Ok

 

[miknik5]

I'll just ask the question anyway?

what does it mean that this is HE who came not by water only but by water and blood

 

[Quasar92]

Sir? I have no idea what point you were trying to make but thank you for causing unnecessary confusion

My response was to your post #622. Don't you know what you write?


Quasar92

 

[miknik5]

Another thing what did CHRIST mean when HE said FATHER I have manifested your name to those whom you have given me and they have truly believes that you sent Me

Father keep them by your name (the name which you have given ME). That they may be one even as we are one?

 

[miknik5]

In case you have trouble finding it:

john 17

(any version)

 

[miknik5]

My response was to your post #622. Don't you know what you write?


Quasar92

Oh I did. Until you caused confusion by taking the referenced (1John 5:6) verse in my post and changing it

 

[miknik5]

Sir? You posted 1john 1:5 but identified it as 1John 5:5 as if you were helping me to understand what?

should I say the same to you?

Don't you know what you write?