Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?
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Hi Gandalf. To answer your question, no, the Trinity does not imply that Jesus is literally the Father. The Trinity Doctrine asserts that there are three separate persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who each are coequal and coeternal with one another. The three together make up a single entity of what God is. Jesus is fully God, but a separate person. The Father is fully God, but a separate person. The Holy Spirit is fully God, but a separate person.
That is why if you hold to the doctrine of the Trinity, you would not want to imply that Jesus is the Father, because they are separate persons according to it. Also, I just read your post #1602. In it, you actually described what Trinitarians believe. If Trinitarians didn’t claim that all three of those persons were the same God, then they would be worshipping three Gods instead of one.
That is why if you hold to the doctrine of the Trinity, you would not want to imply that Jesus is the Father, because they are separate persons according to it. Also, I just read your post #1602. In it, you actually described what Trinitarians believe. If Trinitarians didn’t claim that all three of those persons were the same God, then they would be worshipping three Gods instead of one.
As you know sword, this thread has a lot of post so I kind of want to cut to the chase with you. In my operning thread I explained why I believe the Trinity can be Biblically proved. My question to you is can you please give me your "bottom" line regarding the Trinity? I know you said Jesus Christ pre-existed and you also said that Jesus Christ is not God the Father.
What I am asking you is what is your "beef" with the Trinity? Why do you personally believe the Trinity is not true or not taught in the Bible? Thanking you in advance.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
What I am asking you is what is your "beef" with the Trinity? Why do you personally believe the Trinity is not true or not taught in the Bible? Thanking you in advance.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The Bible tells us that our God is one God.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
You have people using verses like these as evidence that Jesus = Father = Holy Spirit. The problem with this is that the Bible also tells me that my wife and I are one (echad). Echad is the same word describing the oneness of ABBA Father. We can go further and say that Jesus said that we are all one in God so we have to consider a few things:
1) We will not understand the fullness of God until it is revealed to us when we meet Him one day.
2) The Bible describe God as Elohim (plural). This is a fact that can't be argued or explained unless you make use of man made doctrines.
3) Jesus taught us about the Father and He prayed to the Father.
We can conclude that there is enough evidence in the Bible to explain the three Godheads. How you want to describe them is up to you. Some people will use Trinity, others Elohim.
The other fact is that the Hebrew Bible gives us the picture of Father, Son and Comforter. I know there are people struggling with the "Hebrew Roots Movement" but the Hebrew brings us closer to the truth and it is undeniable if we understand the pictures from the Hebrew in our Bibles.
God bless brother
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
You have people using verses like these as evidence that Jesus = Father = Holy Spirit. The problem with this is that the Bible also tells me that my wife and I are one (echad). Echad is the same word describing the oneness of ABBA Father. We can go further and say that Jesus said that we are all one in God so we have to consider a few things:
1) We will not understand the fullness of God until it is revealed to us when we meet Him one day.
2) The Bible describe God as Elohim (plural). This is a fact that can't be argued or explained unless you make use of man made doctrines.
3) Jesus taught us about the Father and He prayed to the Father.
We can conclude that there is enough evidence in the Bible to explain the three Godheads. How you want to describe them is up to you. Some people will use Trinity, others Elohim.
The other fact is that the Hebrew Bible gives us the picture of Father, Son and Comforter. I know there are people struggling with the "Hebrew Roots Movement" but the Hebrew brings us closer to the truth and it is undeniable if we understand the pictures from the Hebrew in our Bibles.
God bless brother