Christmas Trees Are not Pagan
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Brother, I have no problems with people keeping the Sabbath. But I will rage at people if they deem those who don't keep the Sabbath as evil/not saved. Also, if they try to bludgeon others into practicing the Sabbath.
Finally, there were Jews and some Egyptians (those who'd intermarried with the Jews) at Mt Sinai. No other nations were present. Still, we live in light of the New Covenant - Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. Those were Old Covenant times.
Finally, there were Jews and some Egyptians (those who'd intermarried with the Jews) at Mt Sinai. No other nations were present. Still, we live in light of the New Covenant - Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. Those were Old Covenant times.
Here's a good video concerning the evangelical response of those who claim that Jeremiah 10 refers to Christmas trees.
This youtube channel, InspiringPhilosophy, is creating a set of videos debunking the claim, commonly made by Armstrongites and Hebrew Roots Movement types, that Christians are neo-pagans. Usually, they are making this assertion to build up their own faulty world views.
Enjoy, and also check back for InspiringPhilosophy's addition to this anti-holiday series.
I used to be an ignorant Armstrongite that believed these sorts of things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE
Most of this stuff comes from Alexander Hislop's Two Babylons and the writings of Jacob Grimm.
This youtube channel, InspiringPhilosophy, is creating a set of videos debunking the claim, commonly made by Armstrongites and Hebrew Roots Movement types, that Christians are neo-pagans. Usually, they are making this assertion to build up their own faulty world views.
Enjoy, and also check back for InspiringPhilosophy's addition to this anti-holiday series.
I used to be an ignorant Armstrongite that believed these sorts of things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE
Most of this stuff comes from Alexander Hislop's Two Babylons and the writings of Jacob Grimm.
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
God says this...
Deu 12:29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Now show me where xmas trees are commanded.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
And the fourth Commandment is...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
And the fourth Commandment is...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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WWeve been in a fallen world since Adam.. by we I mean creation.. With all the documentation of God speaking to His people and with the promise of the Holy Spirit to help us now the Christ is with the Father.. What led you to believe that hearing is difficult? .. I'm just curious.. No intent to argue or bash.. of course you are able to decline to comment..
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I know, John. I mean Hislop uses those Bible passages to make a poor argument for Christmas trees being evil. The Bible never addresses such things. And he couldn't have been referencing vaguely similar pagan German practices because the ancient Germans didn't interact with Mesopotamians, nor did the pagan Germans even practice such practices in the time of Jeremiah. Those only developed a few hundred years later.
T
Why? It's more difficult to hear from God than before Adam and Eve sinned against God because sin crowds creation. Sin makes it far more difficult to relate to our Lord and Saviour. Sin severed humanity's perfect relationship with God. Sin makes us want to run from God, rather than run to Him. Yes, those in Christ have the hope of Jesus and His sacrifice and are helped greatly by Holy Spirit working in and through them, but we'll only be able to hear God perfectly (without any sinful influence), when Jesus returns a second and final time, to bring a New Heavens and a New Earth.
Uh, what standard does He judge by?
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Some hazy mystical ideas or perhaps by this...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
So, when He says don't do something, it is really only a gentle suggestion?
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Some hazy mystical ideas or perhaps by this...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
So, when He says don't do something, it is really only a gentle suggestion?
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
T
Please. I know that Jeremiah is a book of the Bible. It's a very interesting and truthful if somber, read. I am saying, in no uncertain terms, that the argument you're using, that Jeremiah is arguing against Christmas trees and therefore, Christmas, is false and a very, very poor attempt at biblical hermeneutics. Naturally, the book of Jeremiah itself is part of God's Word.