"replacement theology" - what is it?
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Yep thats what I thought.
You want to equate land promises with eternal life.
Thats heresy Zone.
It is not a salvation issue, Never was.. God did not tell them, Obey me follow my commands, and observe my statutes and I will give you Salvation or eternal life (although some think he did. I know even you do not believe this).
He said do these things and I will let you live in the land I gave you, and you will live in peace. and your enemies will not bother you.. I will increase your land in food. give you rain in season, I will be your god and you my people. (lev 26)
I do not know why you have such an issue with lev 26. That is sad..
You want to equate land promises with eternal life.
Thats heresy Zone.
It is not a salvation issue, Never was.. God did not tell them, Obey me follow my commands, and observe my statutes and I will give you Salvation or eternal life (although some think he did. I know even you do not believe this).
He said do these things and I will let you live in the land I gave you, and you will live in peace. and your enemies will not bother you.. I will increase your land in food. give you rain in season, I will be your god and you my people. (lev 26)
I do not know why you have such an issue with lev 26. That is sad..
haha.
that's a very good question.
why doesn't the church care about being in Jerusalem that now is?
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
always the same twist in there, EG.
God's Promise stands:
Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
....
Acts 3:19
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,
2 Corinthians 6:1
Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
that's a very good question.
why doesn't the church care about being in Jerusalem that now is?
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
always the same twist in there, EG.
God's Promise stands:
Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
....
Acts 3:19
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,
2 Corinthians 6:1
Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
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I want to talk about 1 thing in Gen 17. WHo did God give the land to. And who did he say it was theres as an eternal inheritance.
Thats it Bud, God did not give Jesus this land, He gave hm the whole world. He did not give Jesus lev 26 and say, Do this and I will let you live in peace. Do not do this, And I will destroy your high places...
so please. Lets stop it ok? and lets really talk.
Paul spoke of eternal life. I am talking about and and peace or war..
If you want to equate land with eternal life. You have destroyed the context
Because yes, God promised through Abraham (his seed0 shall all the nations of the world be blessed. And this seed is christ.
But he also gave a parcel of land to abraham, which has nothign to do with salvation of one person.
If you want to equate them as one, Then all who are descended from abraham issac and jacob are eternally saved, because the one promise (land) was given ONLY to them.
so you have major issues..
Either they are all saved (romans 9 refutes this) Or the promise is seperate, not concerning salvation. And God is not done wiht them, because lev 26 still stands (Romans 11 addresses this. )
Thats it Bud, God did not give Jesus this land, He gave hm the whole world. He did not give Jesus lev 26 and say, Do this and I will let you live in peace. Do not do this, And I will destroy your high places...
so please. Lets stop it ok? and lets really talk.
Paul spoke of eternal life. I am talking about and and peace or war..
If you want to equate land with eternal life. You have destroyed the context
Because yes, God promised through Abraham (his seed0 shall all the nations of the world be blessed. And this seed is christ.
But he also gave a parcel of land to abraham, which has nothign to do with salvation of one person.
If you want to equate them as one, Then all who are descended from abraham issac and jacob are eternally saved, because the one promise (land) was given ONLY to them.
so you have major issues..
Either they are all saved (romans 9 refutes this) Or the promise is seperate, not concerning salvation. And God is not done wiht them, because lev 26 still stands (Romans 11 addresses this. )
"What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise."
Gal 3
For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise."
Gal 3
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Everything here concerns eternal life, Concerns the promise, In you shall all the nations of the world be blessed
NOTHING HERE concerns, I give you and your descendents after you this and as an ETERNAL posession.
Please stick to the topic zone.
And stop your slander saying I do not think Jesus fulfilled that promise of eternal life to all who believe, whether jew or greek. I am sick of it.. Your lying/
and for the thrid time, Are you going to tell the room where you get off saying I think God is sending people who are dead (All Isreal) to hell..
I am still waiting.
NOTHING HERE concerns, I give you and your descendents after you this and as an ETERNAL posession.
Please stick to the topic zone.
And stop your slander saying I do not think Jesus fulfilled that promise of eternal life to all who believe, whether jew or greek. I am sick of it.. Your lying/
and for the thrid time, Are you going to tell the room where you get off saying I think God is sending people who are dead (All Isreal) to hell..
I am still waiting.
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Your right it does not set aside the promise.
Isreal is scattered today and her land is desolate. because of the law given 430 years later.
It does not mean the land is still not theres. If they repent today as a nation, Would god re-establish his covenant with THEM> and resgtore them to the land and again let them live in peace as long as they obey his commands and bserve his statutes?
I ahve asked you this three times now. are you going to answer?
Isreal is scattered today and her land is desolate. because of the law given 430 years later.
It does not mean the land is still not theres. If they repent today as a nation, Would god re-establish his covenant with THEM> and resgtore them to the land and again let them live in peace as long as they obey his commands and bserve his statutes?
I ahve asked you this three times now. are you going to answer?
Joshua 21
Forty-Eight Cities of the Levites
…44And the LORD gave them rest on every side, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand. 45Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass.
- the LORD gave them rest on every side,
- according to all that He had sworn to their fathers,
- and no one of all their enemies stood before them;
- the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand.
- Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed;
- all came to pass.
....
did God confirm that ALL the good promises came to pass?
is there anything He promised that didn't come to pass?
was He clear enough about that?
1. He gave them REST
2. according to His PROMISE to the fathers
3. He gave all their enemies into their hand
4. none of the promises failed
5. ALL CAME TO PASS
what's missing?
Forty-Eight Cities of the Levites
…44And the LORD gave them rest on every side, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand. 45Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass.
- the LORD gave them rest on every side,
- according to all that He had sworn to their fathers,
- and no one of all their enemies stood before them;
- the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand.
- Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed;
- all came to pass.
....
did God confirm that ALL the good promises came to pass?
is there anything He promised that didn't come to pass?
was He clear enough about that?
1. He gave them REST
2. according to His PROMISE to the fathers
3. He gave all their enemies into their hand
4. none of the promises failed
5. ALL CAME TO PASS
what's missing?
Deuteronomy 19:7-9
Therefore, I command you, saying, 'You shall set aside three cities for yourself.' "If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers— if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command you today, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in His ways always—then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides these three.
Joshua 20:7-9 lists six cities of refuge - Kadesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan.
DONE.
ALL CAME TO PASS.
6 cities
Joshua 23:14-15
Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the Lord your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. "It shall come about that just as all the good words which the Lord your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the Lord will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God has given you. "
Therefore, I command you, saying, 'You shall set aside three cities for yourself.' "If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, just as He has sworn to your fathers, and gives you all the land which He promised to give your fathers— if you carefully observe all this commandment which I command you today, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in His ways always—then you shall add three more cities for yourself, besides these three.
Joshua 20:7-9 lists six cities of refuge - Kadesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan.
DONE.
ALL CAME TO PASS.
6 cities
Joshua 23:14-15
Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the Lord your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. "It shall come about that just as all the good words which the Lord your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the Lord will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God has given you. "
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Can any one explain to me, Why zone keeps showing where God kept his promise at a certain time, Yet the promise is no longer eternal? As God said it was?
Why Zone wants God to stop keeping his promise? It does not matter if God gave them it at a particualr time, It matters, Is God still keeping his "ETERNAL Promise" or not
Why Zone wants God to stop keeping his promise? It does not matter if God gave them it at a particualr time, It matters, Is God still keeping his "ETERNAL Promise" or not
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Whats missing?
ETERNAL. (I give you this land as an ETERNAL inheritance)
Since when does eternal not mean eternal Zone?
I hope you do not consider your ETERNAL life in the same way as you consider Gods eternal promise to them, If you do. You have no hope.
To me that is what you are offering people. God said he gave you this gift forever. But forever does not mean forever (in this case the gift of eternal life)