"replacement theology" - what is it?

[plainguy]

The disobedient, self-righteous Jews killed Jesus Christ .. but it was for the sin of all of us that He died. Furthermore, if any man/woman, Jew or Gentile repents of their sin and turns to Christ, they will be saved.

Actually the sinful pagan romans killed Christ. The Jews had no power.

But even that does nto matter, Jesus said forgive them, they know not what they do.

either way, You just proved my point. You put yourself above them, When God says all have sinned and fall short..

Pride is a dangerous thing

Please be more specific. When you asked who killed Jesus Christ, I took it to mean "who was pushing/responsible for His crucifixion at the time of His death". Next time simply ask ... who nailed Him to the cross ? Truly, you don't understand. I mean no disrespect.

 

[trofimus]

The thought just came to me is that the nation of Israel is in the state of waiting for Messiah much like they were before Yeshua came to them. I know personally that there are those who are looking daily for Him. They are being prepared.

He already came - Jesus Christ, the crucified.

 

[trofimus]

if i made a mistake be my guest to explain this logic:
a small group of Jews killed Jesus, this small group makes a nation.
a small group of Jews were believers, this group does not count as a nation.
or was it the other part:
"the Jews" killed Jesus. the 12 disciples, Mary Magdalene, Mary and Joseph they were Jewish were they not?

Russians conquered Nazi Berlin.

Putin is a Russian.

Putin conquered Nazi Berlin?

 

[jaybird88]

Russians conquered Nazi Berlin.

Putin is a Russian.

Putin conquered Nazi Berlin?

i get what your saying but its not a fair argument. i dont care for lables like "Christ killers" applied to those that not only had nothing to do with His death but loved and followed Him. how do you think the descendants of those Jews, the ones that loved and believed in Him, felt when people called them ugly names like that? you think thats right?

 

[trofimus]

i get what your saying but its not a fair argument. i dont care for lables like "Christ killers" applied to those that not only had nothing to do with His death but loved and followed Him. how do you think the descendants of those Jews, the ones that loved and believed in Him, felt when people called them ugly names like that? you think thats right?

Nobody says you must call today´s Jews like that.

Similar you dont call today´s Germans Nazis.

Jews are still unbeliving like in the days of Christ, yes, but they personally did not kill Jesus. Jews 2000 years ago did.

 

[kaylagrl]

He already came - Jesus Christ, the crucified.

The first time, and he's coming back again.

 

[stonesoffire]

Yes, what she just said.

 

[trofimus]

The first time, and he's coming back again.

Not to give the land to Israel, but to judge the world (Israel included).

 

[kaylagrl]

Not to save the Israel, but to judge the world (Israel included).

​Romans 11, it proves you wrong,among other Scriptures.

 

[trofimus]

​Romans 11, it proves you wrong,among other Scriptures.

Nothing in Romans 11 says that when Christ will return He will restore some 3rd Temple, animal sacrifices, levitic priesthood or the state of Israel.

 

[stonesoffire]

Rom 11:25　 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.　
Rom 11:26　 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away

 

[kaylagrl]

Nothing in Romans 11 says that when Christ will return He will restore some 3rd Temple, animal sacrifices, levitic priesthood or the state of Israel.

​Mmm humm thats why I said "among other Scriptures"

 

[trofimus]

​Mmm humm thats why I said "among other Scriptures"

Show the "other Scriptures" that say Christ will restore what the New Testament said is obsolete and done.

 

[stonesoffire]

Luk 1:32　 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:　
Luk 1:33　 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.　

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 11


I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]?4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]


11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruitsis holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.


The Jews are blinded!! They will not receive the Gospel until Gods appointed time. Some have,but many will not because they are blinded!!! Right there in the Bible,says it plain as day.

true but we should still give them the gospel. And I know you know this, but should no expect much is also true. my church has a quite large jewish membership.

 

[trofimus]

Luk 1:32　 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:　
Luk 1:33　 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.　

For ever. No end. That clearly says no millenial kingdom is meant by this.

 

[stonesoffire]

2Th 2:3　 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;　
2Th 2:4　 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.　
2Th 2:5　 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?　
2Th 2:6　 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.　
2Th 2:7　 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.　
2Th 2:8　 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:　
2Th 2:9　 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,　
2Th 2:10　 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.　
2Th 2:11　 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:　
2Th 2:12　 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.　

 

[stonesoffire]

I think Daniel speaks of this too.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi Plainguy,

Keep reading. Guess what - God's going to restore to them their land and bring them out from all the nations He sent them to. It's so exciting to see and read God's love for His chosen Jewish nation. He's a promise keeper, not a promise breaker.

14 “However, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when it will no longer be said, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’15 but it will be said, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.

and who gets the glory?

GOD!

 

[stonesoffire]

For ever. No end. That clearly says no millenial kingdom is meant by this.

No millennial kingdom? Now I'm not proficient in end time teachings but I have heard of the reign for 1000 yrs. And there has to be a temple for the throne of David to be in.