Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven.

[PinkDiamond]

The bdf is not for the faint of heart and I say this in honesty not to put anyone down. Lots of people have a hard time responding in love and calmness in the fires of the war zone called the bdf this is something that God teaches and molds in us and for some it takes longer than others.

I didn't used to be able to respond in love but in time God molded it into me. The issue is some never learn this because their reason for being in the bdf is not to learn and discuss the things of God. Some relish the high of a fiery heated debate and have no intention of learning only to prove themselves right these are the ones who need our prayers the most as they will never know God or love in that state of mind.

The bdf is indeed a harsh place but interestingly enough is also the best field for God's love to shine the most considering how a majority of the bdf lacks his love after all the light shines brightest in the darkness

I do agree with you. I do prefer the BDF forum though because a lot of interesting discussions take place in there. I've learned a lot from just reading certain threads. There are issues with the forum, but there are a lot of well informed members that post in the BDF.

I think you are right that some don't participate with the intention to learn from others or they start threads with the intent to put down other schools of thought. I think that we are all responsible for our posts and interactions on the forum. I've had to learn this myself. In the past on other forums, I found myself getting provoked by certain harsh posts and responding in a similar manner. If we aren't careful we can get dragged into contention and fall into the mindset of reading others posts to find error. It's okay to enjoy a spirited debate ( I admit I kind of like debates, haha), but we need to be civil and respectful. It isn't easy to be humble and allow others to have the last word in an argument or debate, but it's the healthiest thing spiritually. Also, we can set the tone for discussions. If we refuse to post in a harsh or arrogant manner, we can help soften the response of others. There can't be a true fight or blowup without the participation of both sides

 

[Blain]

Indeed pink I have encountered people not just in this forum but other places as well in which I angered them by something I posted and they were intent on being enemies but I continued to speak in love and had a light humor and they soften their hearts and we became friends.

Only love can counter anger and hatred and a word of love and encouragement has more power in it than an entire debate of anger I have witnessed the power words have in peoples hearts and how they are used and spoken can vastly change the outcome of everything.

However Even when I was attacked on the bdf I still learned from them, I have many teachers and many don't even realize they are teaching me even when they are trying to harm me if one has a teachable heart and a willing spirit they can grow and learn even the fires of war

 

[Reborn]

I sat here wondering, "Now, who is just going to HAVE TO correct him on that 'James' comment?" (I guessed correctly........ although I also had a few others in mind. LOL)

I sat here wondering, "Now, who is just going to HAVE TO say something about someone correcting him on that 'James' comment?"

(I guessed correctly........ although I also had a few others in mind. LOL)

 

[Willie-T]

I sat here wondering, "Now, who is just going to HAVE TO say something about someone correcting him on that 'James' comment?"

(I guessed correctly........ although I also had a few others in mind. LOL)

I didn't belittle a man's simple mistake. I was speaking to the "High and Mighty,"

 

[stonesoffire]

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me on that day [when I judge them], ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, and driven out demons in Your name, and done many miracles in Your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them publicly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me [you are banished from My presence], you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].’
. Mathew 7:21-23

First of all, you are using the wrong scripture for what you are trying to say. This is speaking of the authority of the Name of Jesus. This is what the Kingdom of heaven speaks about. For those who living, moving, and having their being in Jesus...it will never be an issue. No one acts without His unction.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]I am giving you a new commandment, that you [SUP][a][/SUP]love one another. Just as I have loved you, so you too are to love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you have love and unselfish concern for one another.” John 13:34-35

Respect for one another might be a better to approach discussion.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]and said, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless you repent [that is, change your inner self—your old way of thinking, live changed lives] and become like children [trusting, humble, and forgiving], you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.



There is way too much disdain for people who make posts or talk about the same topic and have something valuable to say. you not only show your hard heart but you drive people away. Most people want answers or just want to share and you push them away, shame on you.

no shame on anyone...none of us have arrived at the glory filling the whole house yet.

What I see as a problem for us all and it's only been in the last so many years that I've been able to understand this better...is that we don't change ourselves nor do we try to change others.

We are dead to sin...alive to God. All that we were was put to death by the Cross of Jesus Christ. For the newness of life, we begin in the resurrection not perfecting that which is dead.

So in communion...eating and drinking of His life on a daily basis...He becomes greater than the memories of the old man. Our mind thinking thoughts of life, not death. What are we thinking about?

You are addressing offenses. Jesus said they would come. Other Christians should never be viewed as the enemy. Its the thoughts that we discern...of God or of man. And the Word is the power...the sword. Logos is a knife...but the saber is from His mouth. We probably need to wait more on the rhema.

But, if we can see just how much we all are loved by Him...we will love others the same.

 

[stonesoffire]

Sometimes people leave just because the time is up...

 

[Reborn]

I didn't belittle a man's simple mistake. I was speaking to the "High and Mighty,"

It wasn't a slam on you, Willie.
My apologies.
I simply said l guessed who would call her out for calling someone out.




Btw, Is that what you felt she was doing?
I see it as Ellie being Ellie.
You being you.

Its just her way of helping people see a truth. James said it. Right?
Others may try and help others by posting an odd video or pushing a friend's book.

We all have our weird ways to go about it.
I try and be fair. If someone dishes out a cleverly disguised slam, and then, someone calls them out with a cleverly disguised slam, isn't it fair to say that we all should be able to join in on the holiday festivities?

Family time is fun.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you for your observation, very true and when we read this text our Lord Jesus Christ (meaning we are brothers and sisters in Christ) is speaking of the world not our own brothers and sisters. I feel ashamed when I see my own "brothers and sisters" fighting and having no love in their conduct, their conversations lack humble gratitude and respect for one another. Look at nearly every post in bible discussion, what utter lack of love. I am ashamed, Paul would shame us for our attitude toward one another. Lord we need to change our hearts, searching for truth but lacking love.

I think it is an exaggeration to say nearly every post lacks love, though I have witnessed those who claim love while they repeatedly falsely accuse others. If we want to love others, we need to "put on" Christ. I do know what you mean, though; some people seem to be repeat offenders. That probably includes most of us, from another's perspective. It is the human condition, and why we look forward to the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. What a glorious day that will be!

 

[Depleted]

There can't be a true fight or blowup without the participation of both sides

On BDF? Yeah, there really can be. I've watched people rile for days unaware they're the only one left on that thread. lol

 

[notmyown]

I didn't belittle a man's simple mistake. I was speaking to the "High and Mighty,"

was i belittling?

Josiah, i ask your forgiveness for that. i'd like to explain what was in my mind.
you're new, and it seemed a bit upset over the way we talk to one another (understandable).
you also present a theological position many disagree with. it may have been wrong of me to do, but my concern was someone in that category might have seen your typo and taken you to task for it in regard to your theological position in a different way.

i was attempting to avoid that for all concerned, and it's eminently possible i did it badly. thank you for your kindness.


Willie, if you'd like to have it out with me in PM regarding my character failings, including but not necessarily limited to my belittling and high and mightiness, that would be fine. does after the holidays work for you?

 

[Blain]

was i belittling?

Josiah, i ask your forgiveness for that. i'd like to explain what was in my mind.
you're new, and it seemed a bit upset over the way we talk to one another (understandable).
you also present a theological position many disagree with. it may have been wrong of me to do, but my concern was someone in that category might have seen your typo and taken you to task for it in regard to your theological position in a different way.

i was attempting to avoid that for all concerned, and it's eminently possible i did it badly. thank you for your kindness.


Willie, if you'd like to have it out with me in PM regarding my character failings, including but not necessarily limited to my belittling and high and mightiness, that would be fine. does after the holidays work for you?

Mom your fine you tried to do the right thing in a way that didn't cause strife even if you did it wrong which I don't think you did your hearts motive was pure and that counts for more than you know

 

[Willie-T]

I imagine there were no less than thirty of us who noticed (or 'knew', anyway) that verse came from James, not one of Paul's letters. I just saw no point in throwing up to him the fact that although he made his point well, he happened to select the wrong author. I see mistakes like that almost every day on this forum. To me, it is just not something to bring up when it really serves no purpose to do so in the conversation.

 

[Depleted]

was i belittling?

Josiah, i ask your forgiveness for that. i'd like to explain what was in my mind.
you're new, and it seemed a bit upset over the way we talk to one another (understandable).
you also present a theological position many disagree with. it may have been wrong of me to do, but my concern was someone in that category might have seen your typo and taken you to task for it in regard to your theological position in a different way.

i was attempting to avoid that for all concerned, and it's eminently possible i did it badly. thank you for your kindness.


Willie, if you'd like to have it out with me in PM regarding my character failings, including but not necessarily limited to my belittling and high and mightiness, that would be fine. does after the holidays work for you?

Under "Just sayin'," Josiah isn't new. He's unusually quiet. lol

 

[Stephen63]

Nitpicking..... intentional or not, on the BDF is always seen as intentional, because many come in here with impure motives. No need to say who, for they are known for their fruit.I started a thread earlier this week, & because I used one word they didn't like, they were on me like white on rice. Most of them still didn't know what I was talking about, for they saw that "word" & immediately went ballistic. They can't help it, that's just who they are.

Welcome Josiah..... I hope you live up to your name.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by Tintin

Shame on who? I don't know what you're talking about, mate.

This very response, careless and lacking love "I don't know what you're talking about, mate." I wonder if you were speaking to someone face to face if you'd speak with this attitude. There are three that liked your response this in itself shows the heart of this site. Instead of showing concern or asking a question you decide to pull down. Why not ask "I'm not sure what you mean Josiah, could you explain please?"

Using "Mate" on the end of your sentence is an attitude I am very familiar with and is not a loving way to end your sentence.

i did not see any offense in his statement at all, nor lacking in love. Reread what he wrote, and this time imagine the person is from Australia and he is smiling when he asks the question. Wouldn't it have been better to assume this, then to assume (thereby judging) that he said it is lack of love. If you loved him, would it not have been better to merely just answer his question, then to accuse him of saying something that lacks love?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by JosiahUntoTheChrist

This very response, careless and lacking love "I don't know what you're talking about, mate." I wonder if you were speaking to someone face to face if you'd speak with this attitude. There are three that liked your response this in itself shows the heart of this site. Instead of showing concern or asking a question you decide to pull down. Why not ask "I'm not sure what you mean Josiah, could you explain please?"

Using "Mate" on the end of your sentence is an attitude I am very familiar with and is not a loving way to end your sentence.

Good grief! I'm an Aussie. We say 'mate' all of the time. I didn't say it to blow you off. But since you seem to be the one here with the attitude problem (accusing me for who knows what), I think it's appropriate for me to tell you to grow up.

Wouldn't it have been better to merely say what you say above and instead of saying "Grow up" to say "I forgive you"?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Thank you for your observation, very true and when we read this text our Lord Jesus Christ (meaning we are brothers and sisters in Christ) is speaking of the world not our own brothers and sisters. I feel ashamed when I see my own "brothers and sisters" fighting and having no love in their conduct, their conversations lack humble gratitude and respect for one another. Look at nearly every post in bible discussion, what utter lack of love. I am ashamed, Paul would shame us for our attitude toward one another. Lord we need to change our hearts, searching for truth but lacking love.

And this thread it seems is not excluded.

If we are going to teach to Love One Another, it would be wise to do so in the very posts we write. Yes?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by Tintin

Good grief! I'm an Aussie. We say 'mate' all of the time. I didn't say it to blow you off. But since you seem to be the one here with the attitude problem (accusing me for who knows what), I think it's appropriate for me to tell you to grow up.

Thank you Tintin, I have noticed that I have become hurt and disappointed by the responses on this site and have taken it out on you. Forgive me. I will pray about this, for how can I tell a brother to take the speck out his eye when I myself have a plank in my own. I have just noticed a trend on this site to pull down people or in their anger or need to be right attack the person. Saddened by this but in saying that I have done it myself. Apologies. Have a great day.

You are not far from the Kingdom of God Brother.

It is very discouraging indeed, i know what you are talking about first hand.

i teach:

Love One Another.
Start obeying Jesus, stop obeying satan.

And i am attacked, belittled, put down, name called, lied about, falsely accused, and many other things. But just remember what generation we live in. We are amongst the Last Day Generation, who do nothing but think of themselves, and how they love false doctrines that tickle their ears, easy to swallow, easy Christianity. These LOVE LIFE. devoid of the TRUTH, and will refuse to hear it when it is presented to them. i have learned to focus on Christ instead of the attitudes of men from this generation. When i teach "Stop obeying satan" Jesus smiles upon me, while the world yells "That is not possible" or "you are teaching self righteousness" or whatever else they can come up with to defend their own evil and wicked actions, as if there was a sin that they do that they could not possibly cease from. Therefore teaching to stop obeying satan, which they think can't be done, will gnash at me, attack me, belittle me, name call, and what have you. But Jesus is smiling, and He is really all that matters, what the world thinks of me, is irrelevant to me. i teach "Go and sin no more" Jesus taught that also. Jesus is hated, so am i. Jesus was called a liar, so am i. They said Jesus had a devil, they say that about me as well. They did not know Jesus was the Son of God, this generation does not know i am a prophet of God.

Stay Strong, look to Jesus, let not the world bring you down, and it most certainly will try. Just remember, it is this generation that the wrath of God is going to be poured out upon, and for good reason. This generation is corrupt, and sinning is a daily thing with them, and they will not repent of their sinning and live righteously. NO, they would rather continue to live in sin and claim they are righteous through the false doctrines they hold on to that makes them righteous even though they continue to do those things which are plainly unrighteous, wicked, evil, unholy, Corrupted, reprobate minds, claiming that they are Good, even though they do that which is evil. They repent but do not cease. There will be much weeping and gnashing of their teeth.

i try to reach them in Love, i teach what Scriptures teach, YOUR MASTER is to whom you obey. And many other verses in Scriptures, but this generation shrugs those verses off, interpreting them away, or making them void, or ignoring them altogether. Their false doctrines is the truth to them, and Scriptures is only secondary to those doctrines. If a Scriptures is contrary to the doctrine they hold on to, it is the Scripture that needs to be changed, and not the doctrine they hold on to. Corrupt they are, changing Scriptures to fit their own beliefs, instead of changing their beliefs to line up with Scriptures. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Sorry rambling on and on. Like you, my spirit groans within me for Jesus to come and take me out of this wicked world. i am like Lot, vexed daily. He who loves this life, will lose it. But the person who loses his/her life for Jesus Christ, will find it. But as long as you choose to live in sin, you are living life the way YOU want to live it, NOT living your life the way Christ wants it.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hello Josiah,

When the man on the cross next to Jesus said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom" did Jesus say "sorry, but since you can't come down and perform any works nor be baptized, you can't be saved?" No, in fact Jesus said, "today you will be with me in paradise."

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it."

Being Saved, and living Saved are two entirely different things.

Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ, repents of their past sins, accepts Jesus into their hearts, is SAVED, it is at that very moment they accept the Free Gift of Salvation. Exactly like the thief on the cross did. It is exactly at that moment, that Jesus took the punishment (paid the cost) for the sins of that person who just got Saved. It is at that very moment that Jesus died for that person was put on the cross, and was crucified for that person, so that His sins are wiped clean, and it is at that very moment, they are white as snow, cleansed, Pure, Holy, Righteous, Just, FORGIVEN. All these things are True and Scriptural for what a person must do to become SAVED. Now let us move past that point. Scriptures plainly teach what a SAVED person is REQUIRED to do once they are SAVED. They are to DO what Jesus Christ tells them to do. Which is Love One Another. Scriptures plainly teach this.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

In the Bible, the word repent means “to change one’s mind.” The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions (Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19). Acts 26:20 declares, “I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.” The full biblical definition of repentance is a change of mind that results in a change of action.

How many professed Christians from this generation ask Jesus to forgive them of a particular sin knowing full well they are going to continue to do that very sin again and again?
To receive forgiveness of a particular sin you MUST do 2 things. 1) ask for forgiveness AND 2) cease to do it again. Those who are Truly sorry for a particular sin will do everything in their power not to commit that sin again, because they have a Godly sorry for that sin. Those who repent of a particular sin, knowing full well they will continue to do that sin, repent in vain.

When i was a smoker. i never once repented to Jesus after every single cigarette i smoked. i did not repent at the end of the day either for smoking, knowing full well i was going to smoke again. But when i quit smoking for good, i got on my knees and repented of it, and have not done it again, ever.

It is written that a fornicator will not enter into Heaven. So it does not matter how many times you repent of fornicating, if you continue to fornicate and live in fornication, you will be judged a fornicator, and it does not matter what you say with your mouth, if you are a fornicator, you will NOT enter into Heaven, exactly like the Bible says and teaches.

You can repent every single time you lie. But if you continue to lie, you will be judged a LIAR. And No Liar will enter into Heaven either. But if you repent of lying, and never lie again, then you are no longer a liar, and You will be forgiven for lying. And on Judgement Day, you will not be judged as a liar. Why, because you repented of lying? NO, you are not judged as a Liar because you 1)Repented AND 2) cease to lie ever again.

Forgiveness is granted to those who Truly Repent. Those who Truly Repent cease to do the very thing they are repenting of. If they knowingly and willingly continue to do the very thing they repent of, how sorry are they? they're not. A man beats his wife, afterwards he repents of it. He continues to beat his wife every night, and continues to repent of it afterwards every night. How sorry is he for beating his wife, even though he repents every single time? You see, even though he repents every single time, he is not sorry, because he WANTS to do it. So then he is not forgiven just because he repents. This generation better wake up from their sleeping.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave