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Maybe I don't see your analogy.
First why would people hate you for expressing your beliefs?
You will always be my beloved brother even when we don't agree with each other.
.I often disagree with my blood brothers in real life, don't see how it would be different online.
Next Job friends told him it was his fault he was suffering and that he deserved to suffer.
I don't remember reading any post saying that.
As for "taking sides" there is no winning side in a marriage fight..both are losers or both become winners when they find resolution.
Anyway there is always more to the picture but prayer always helps because we ask God to help us see the situation through His eyes and send healing and wisdom.
First why would people hate you for expressing your beliefs?
You will always be my beloved brother even when we don't agree with each other.
.I often disagree with my blood brothers in real life, don't see how it would be different online.
Next Job friends told him it was his fault he was suffering and that he deserved to suffer.
I don't remember reading any post saying that.
As for "taking sides" there is no winning side in a marriage fight..both are losers or both become winners when they find resolution.
Anyway there is always more to the picture but prayer always helps because we ask God to help us see the situation through His eyes and send healing and wisdom.
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Many years ago a close friend of mine was a member of the United Pentecostal Church and he believed that Jesus died for his sins. The Resurrection. And was baptised (Acts 2:38), yet he did not speak in tongues. He was faithful in attendance and sharing his faith in Jesus. He even dressed and kept his hair the way they wanted him to. His whole life revolved around the UPC and it wore his spirit and his worth down being continuously treated as lesser and people making comments that he was unsaved because he didn't speak in tongues. He eventually left and chose a church for fellowship over doctrine because I believe he was tired of what seemed like condemnation and an erosion in his heart of worth before God through the lack of respect for him as a believer, as a human being. The reason being that he did not speak in tongues.
The beautiful thing is that "no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except through The Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3). The UPC either rejects this or explains it away. And other Scriptures that contradict their doctrine they reject as well.
I have studied with UPC extensively and in one situation was asked to go over with a sister, a list of Scriptures, to prove the UPC doctrines. I said I would be happy to study the Scriptures listed as long as for context sake we studied the verses surrounding each recommended Scripture. The sister was not willing to do this. In this situation she was only willing to study Scriptures in a an order that would prove UPC doctrine. In my study with them I learned all manner of sins that I was apparently committing; and in their teaching I would continue to be in sin unless I was baptised (Apostolic succession) with them and spoke in tongues and dressed with the same skirt length and kept my hair in the same manner and attended all their meetings in submission to them.
All the aforementioned Scriptures posted here by others about how a man should love his wife are true, yet I sympathise with you because in spending a lot of time with UPC "Apostolic" women/men and they are often strong willed and controlling about many things. There is no doubt in my mind that she is not speaking by The Holy Spirit when she curses you. I personally had to distance myself from the UPC ladies. Yet you are not in a position to do so. Please keep drawing near to God and showing "peace, love, joy, long-suffering, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, goodness, and self control," as these are fruits of The Holy Spirit and have The Power to convict people's souls - not you but The Holy Spirit working through you.
When Peter said to Jesus: "You are the Christ; the Son of The Living God," Jesus said: "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father Who is in heaven." Dear young man, Jesus said: "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven." You are confessing your faith in Christ and there is no stopping Jesus from keeping His word and confessing you to the Father in heaven. In my opinion don't try to make your wife see these truths, pray, stand back and allow God to work in her. The UPC yields in my view a strong need to have their approval and your wife may feel like her salvation is on the line if she doesn't please them. It is powerful and more than a decade later I have had to consciously push the shame of their disapproval out of me when I have seen one of the ladies in a store. My heart sinks as I feel they see me one not approved by God. Even though I know the Scriptures the UPC can have a strong emotional hold on a person.
I may be wrong but it doesn't look like you are so much looking for her to submit to you but to show you respect as a human being? There are many things to be admired about the UPC and their zeal is often undeniable. A zeal for God is impressive but in Romans 10:2 we learn that we must have a zeal for God according to knowledge. It may be a long road brother but may God lead you to be the kind one, the gentle one. I do not speak to you as a teacher, just as someone you believes you, and sympathises with you.
"Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corinthians 12:3 (KJV)
The beautiful thing is that "no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except through The Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:3). The UPC either rejects this or explains it away. And other Scriptures that contradict their doctrine they reject as well.
I have studied with UPC extensively and in one situation was asked to go over with a sister, a list of Scriptures, to prove the UPC doctrines. I said I would be happy to study the Scriptures listed as long as for context sake we studied the verses surrounding each recommended Scripture. The sister was not willing to do this. In this situation she was only willing to study Scriptures in a an order that would prove UPC doctrine. In my study with them I learned all manner of sins that I was apparently committing; and in their teaching I would continue to be in sin unless I was baptised (Apostolic succession) with them and spoke in tongues and dressed with the same skirt length and kept my hair in the same manner and attended all their meetings in submission to them.
All the aforementioned Scriptures posted here by others about how a man should love his wife are true, yet I sympathise with you because in spending a lot of time with UPC "Apostolic" women/men and they are often strong willed and controlling about many things. There is no doubt in my mind that she is not speaking by The Holy Spirit when she curses you. I personally had to distance myself from the UPC ladies. Yet you are not in a position to do so. Please keep drawing near to God and showing "peace, love, joy, long-suffering, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, goodness, and self control," as these are fruits of The Holy Spirit and have The Power to convict people's souls - not you but The Holy Spirit working through you.
When Peter said to Jesus: "You are the Christ; the Son of The Living God," Jesus said: "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father Who is in heaven." Dear young man, Jesus said: "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven." You are confessing your faith in Christ and there is no stopping Jesus from keeping His word and confessing you to the Father in heaven. In my opinion don't try to make your wife see these truths, pray, stand back and allow God to work in her. The UPC yields in my view a strong need to have their approval and your wife may feel like her salvation is on the line if she doesn't please them. It is powerful and more than a decade later I have had to consciously push the shame of their disapproval out of me when I have seen one of the ladies in a store. My heart sinks as I feel they see me one not approved by God. Even though I know the Scriptures the UPC can have a strong emotional hold on a person.
I may be wrong but it doesn't look like you are so much looking for her to submit to you but to show you respect as a human being? There are many things to be admired about the UPC and their zeal is often undeniable. A zeal for God is impressive but in Romans 10:2 we learn that we must have a zeal for God according to knowledge. It may be a long road brother but may God lead you to be the kind one, the gentle one. I do not speak to you as a teacher, just as someone you believes you, and sympathises with you.
"Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corinthians 12:3 (KJV)
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All good for a Sunday afternoon chuckle!
One minor point, we have two large-ish pentecostal denominations in Canada: Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada (PAOC) and Apostolic Churches of Pentecost (ACOP) of which my local congregation is a part. Both believe that the gifts are for today. ACOP does not stress the gift of tongues as a sign proving salvation, but local congregations may stress it.
With regard to the OP, it looks like some repentance is needed, and I'm carefully not pointing fingers.
One minor point, we have two large-ish pentecostal denominations in Canada: Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada (PAOC) and Apostolic Churches of Pentecost (ACOP) of which my local congregation is a part. Both believe that the gifts are for today. ACOP does not stress the gift of tongues as a sign proving salvation, but local congregations may stress it.
With regard to the OP, it looks like some repentance is needed, and I'm carefully not pointing fingers.
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The group I studied with was the United Pentecostal Church of Canada (UPC).
I'm really sorry to say this yiska but you are involved with the Oneness Pentecostal cult. I'm also sorry to have to use that word "cult" but that is exactly what it is. I went to the site you posted and when I go to church sites the first thing I look for is their "Statement of Faith," I could not find it so I clicked on some of the books they sell to check out the authors. Sure enough I spotted a book by "David K.Bernard" who is one of the premier oneness apologest.
Now, I also found this site, The 5 most influential UPCI leaders of my lifetime | Jonathan Mohr of a man who influenced him the most and bernard was on top. Also Nathinel Urshan was in the group of five and I the debate between Urshan and his partner Robert Sabin debating Dr. Walter Maring and Cal Beisner. I will try and find the debate online and post it. It's sad, (and I am NOT chiding you, just warning you) that many people are involved in things that they are unaware of which can cause damage because they just go along with it like our friend here bornagain88.
I'm reminded of the Apostle Paul's admonition at 2 Corinthians 11:4, "For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully (OR YOU MIGHT GO ALONG WITH IT"). Paul also says the same thing at Galatians 1:6-9. This is all very, very serious business and should not be taken lightly. And no, I'm not saying your are, just saying it does have salvic ramifications. My prayer for everyone ensnared in the various cults and occult is that they do not hear (to me) the four most lethal words in the Bible, " I never knew you." Matthew 7:23.
PS: I did find the debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1OIPb9JXQ
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, I also found this site, The 5 most influential UPCI leaders of my lifetime | Jonathan Mohr of a man who influenced him the most and bernard was on top. Also Nathinel Urshan was in the group of five and I the debate between Urshan and his partner Robert Sabin debating Dr. Walter Maring and Cal Beisner. I will try and find the debate online and post it. It's sad, (and I am NOT chiding you, just warning you) that many people are involved in things that they are unaware of which can cause damage because they just go along with it like our friend here bornagain88.
I'm reminded of the Apostle Paul's admonition at 2 Corinthians 11:4, "For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully (OR YOU MIGHT GO ALONG WITH IT"). Paul also says the same thing at Galatians 1:6-9. This is all very, very serious business and should not be taken lightly. And no, I'm not saying your are, just saying it does have salvic ramifications. My prayer for everyone ensnared in the various cults and occult is that they do not hear (to me) the four most lethal words in the Bible, " I never knew you." Matthew 7:23.
PS: I did find the debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1OIPb9JXQIN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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I'm really sorry to say this yiska but you are involved with the Oneness Pentecostal cult. I'm also sorry to have to use that word "cult" but that is exactly what it is. I went to the site you posted and when I go to church sites the first thing I look for is their "Statement of Faith," I could not find it so I clicked on some of the books they sell to check out the authors. Sure enough I spotted a book by "David K.Bernard" who is one of the premier oneness apologest.
Now, I also found this site, The 5 most influential UPCI leaders of my lifetime | Jonathan Mohr of a man who influenced him the most and bernard was on top. Also Nathinel Urshan was in the group of five and I the debate between Urshan and his partner Robert Sabin debating Dr. Walter Maring and Cal Beisner. I will try and find the debate online and post it. It's sad, (and I am NOT chiding you, just warning you) that many people are involved in things that they are unaware of which can cause damage because they just go along with it like our friend here bornagain88.
I'm reminded of the Apostle Paul's admonition at 2 Corinthians 11:4, "For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully (OR YOU MIGHT GO ALONG WITH IT"). Paul also says the same thing at Galatians 1:6-9. This is all very, very serious business and should not be taken lightly. And no, I'm not saying your are, just saying it does have salvic ramifications. My prayer for everyone ensnared in the various cults and occult is that they do not hear (to me) the four most lethal words in the Bible, " I never knew you." Matthew 7:23. PS: I did find the debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1OIPb9JXQ
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, I also found this site, The 5 most influential UPCI leaders of my lifetime | Jonathan Mohr of a man who influenced him the most and bernard was on top. Also Nathinel Urshan was in the group of five and I the debate between Urshan and his partner Robert Sabin debating Dr. Walter Maring and Cal Beisner. I will try and find the debate online and post it. It's sad, (and I am NOT chiding you, just warning you) that many people are involved in things that they are unaware of which can cause damage because they just go along with it like our friend here bornagain88.
I'm reminded of the Apostle Paul's admonition at 2 Corinthians 11:4, "For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully (OR YOU MIGHT GO ALONG WITH IT"). Paul also says the same thing at Galatians 1:6-9. This is all very, very serious business and should not be taken lightly. And no, I'm not saying your are, just saying it does have salvic ramifications. My prayer for everyone ensnared in the various cults and occult is that they do not hear (to me) the four most lethal words in the Bible, " I never knew you." Matthew 7:23.
PS: I did find the debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1OIPb9JXQIN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I was posting the site as a reference for Dino246 and not as an endorsement. I'm truly not interested in any of the leaders or books on the site, I am just try to recover from major surgery and connect with other believers online. I was just hoping that my experiences may be of help to the original poster.
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i heard she wears pants tho
you would not believe...or maybe you would
on another forum a few years back, there was a man on there who is either holiness or something...anyway, according to him, if a woman is wearing pants...slacks...she is an abomination
and must have the long hair
so of course folks were all over him asking if he wore mixed clothes or trimmed his sideburns
apparently, a person only obeys certain of the OT law
now isn't that a revelation!
duh x 17
this went on for months...literally...see? not everyone argues over grace
and he also took a strong stand on a man having mulitple wives because it is in the Bible
I'm not sure, but he may have sported a club and a leopard suit