Can you define sin?

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Dagallen

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The lake if fire, is a term that is widely misused, therefore not understood correctly.
 

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it is amazing how much people have to say re this post---
yet not 'hitting the mark'. You know why not ? you are 'groping in the dark...the result of disobedience and unbelief !
 
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it is amazing how much people have to say re this post---
yet not 'hitting the mark'. You know why not ? you are 'groping in the dark...the result of disobedience and unbelief !
I thought my statement that sin is disobeying the Lord's commandments hit the mark.
 
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Sin is not being a partaker of the life of God. Anything that is "missing the mark" of partaking of the quality of the life of God is falling short of the glory ( goodness) of God.
 

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I thought my statement that sin is disobeying the Lord's commandments hit the mark.
Yes - forgive me - I should have mentioned the few 'exceptions - those who allow GOD to have HIS say !
 

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Sin is not being a partaker of the life of God. Anything that is "missing the mark" of partaking of the quality of the life of God is falling short of the glory ( goodness) of God.
Yes that is true...but when God tells people just what exactly that 'mark' is they reject it !
 
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What is the strength or power of sin? There is another question.
 

Desertsrose

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Could sin be different to each person because not everyone has the same knowledge, faith, or conscience?

Is Paul indicating here that there are things that can be sin for one and not for another?


1 Corinthians 8 (NKJV)Be Sensitive to Conscience

8 Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. 2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.

9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols? 11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
I think that the OP is referring to sin in general, like, all have sinned and fall short of God's glory.

To go along with what you're saying, Paul said whatever isn't of faith is sin.

Romans 14:20-23
Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin
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And then James says to know the right thing to do and to not do it is sin.

James 4:13-17
Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, and spend a year there and engage in business and make a profit.” Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away. Instead, you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and also do this or that.” But as it is, you boast in your arrogance; all such boasting is evil. Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Free, you asked, "I have to wonder why if sin is simply missing God's "best” why the wage for that would be death?" Good question. This simple definition requires us to reevaluate everything. It has one very positive aspect. God is opptimistic in regards to us. I'd like to look at that more and explain, but maybe later. I was off doing some stuff, and now I have a bunch of answers to give. First, it's important to explain the origin of this teaching. Of course, it's not mine. Bible historians record that Wycliffe worked on translating the Bible in the 1300's. Tyndale also worked on translation. When the original Greek (amartais) was translated, there was no English word that was even close. So, they found the word sin from the sport of archery. In Archery, to "miss the mark" is to sin. The original greek word meant to miss "God's best." I dont remember who asked, but this is all available. Many histories will confirm the assignment of the word sin to represent the word amartais. It makes interesting research. Wycliffe was declared a heretic by the Pope.. After he was dead, the dug him up. burned his bones, ground up the bones and threw him into a river in Germany. This was to prevent him from rising in the resurrection.
God doesn't have "optimism", God knows.

I look forward to your explanation.
 

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Free, you asked, "I have to wonder why if sin is simply missing God's "best” why the wage for that would be death?" Good question. This simple definition requires us to reevaluate everything. It has one very positive aspect. God is opptimistic in regards to us. I'd like to look at that more and explain, but maybe later. I was off doing some stuff, and now I have a bunch of answers to give. First, it's important to explain the origin of this teaching. Of course, it's not mine. Bible historians record that Wycliffe worked on translating the Bible in the 1300's. Tyndale also worked on translation. When the original Greek (amartais) was translated, there was no English word that was even close. So, they found the word sin from the sport of archery. In Archery, to "miss the mark" is to sin. The original greek word meant to miss "God's best." I dont remember who asked, but this is all available. Many histories will confirm the assignment of the word sin to represent the word amartais. It makes interesting research. Wycliffe was declared a heretic by the Pope.. After he was dead, the dug him up. burned his bones, ground up the bones and threw him into a river in Germany. This was to prevent him from rising in the resurrection.

For myself, I will stick with the Bible's definition of sin, and not what any man or historians may have said.

Sure, men's ideas can be helpful, but the beginning point is the Word of God: some clear verses defining sin have been given on this thread.
 

Chester

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Forgive me if I digress.

Okay, in other religions, a sin is a violation of their law. This definition is altogether a different thing. It forces a readjustment of what we think. As Free did, we will ruminate and consider this.

A lot of writing has examined the difference this one word makes. Scholars like to enumerate how it shines a favorable light on our God. They do a good job, and you may review their work at your leisure.

With the permission of the moderators, I will simply go to my opening post and change it to reflect that the word sin was properly defined.

Scholars as far back as the dark ages identified a problem inherent in the Bible's definition of sin. The church stopped teaching the "miss God's best" version because of the problem it engenders.
With the moderators permission, I will post a new thread asking about this problem.


Really - are we going to let "scholars" have the say over the inspired Word of God?
 
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God doesn't have "optimism", God knows.

I look forward to your explanation.
I saw what he said as like this: God is optimistic toward us in that He is love and love never stops hoping for the ones it loves. I think by "optimism" he meant hope...
 
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FreeNChrist

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I saw what he said as like this: God is optimistic toward us in that He is love and love never stops hoping for the ones it loves. I think by "optimism" he meant hope...
Why don't we let him explain it himself, eh?
 
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Really - are we going to let "scholars" have the say over the inspired Word of God?
Chester, he meant "scholars" in a good way. He was referring to US as the scholars in his op. Those who have begun to walk with God by the Spirit are true scholars of God. :)

So he is saying that men who walked with God in the middle ages began to see that a better word maybe could convey the meaning of the original Hebrew or Greek word.

It really isn't something bad. It would be like trying to translate into another language for someone and then realizing you did not pick the best word in their own language to fully convey what you wanted to.
 
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It is obvious that the word sin was used to mean to disobey God. Since the original "sinners" got death(humans) and the lake of fire(satan), it is very dangerous...only the death of Jesus freed us from the power of sin.
 
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Dagallen

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God loved me enough to let me fall, that I might see the lesson in the fall, that I might stand tall and over the fall, the question then becomes why did I fall ? Because I disobeyed the commandment of God and gave life and form to the knowledge of evil. As the lesson begins with the knowledge of good and evil, just as it shall end with the knowledge of good and evil as well, now in the end the question will be, which side will a person be on, the good side or the evil side ? Choices !
 
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Jonteel

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Beta----in response to your question...Well, from all appearances, no one studies Greek anymore, and that is ok. I've studied four languages, and that's not to brag. Some people study sports. they can tell you what their quarterback ate for breakfast...they are amazing. I am sad that the church doesn't even know what sin is. I am hopeful that this is helpful, but, like Wycliffe, I am taking to the hills of Germany soon.
 
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Jonteel

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Stunned , thank you for defending my use of the term scholar. I taught fr almost 30 years and am accustomed to saying Sir, Maam, and calling students by their last name. No harm intended.