Can you define sin?

beta · Jan 19, 2017

Of course you are right....neither the Sabbath nor the Commandments were 'done away at the cross ! They were never part of 'Moses' law' but are 'holy to God.
Some people don't accept all scripture, only the ones that suit them....
but GOD's WILL shall stand for all time and they shall not have a part in it .
If we want to spend eternity with a 'holy God we'd better not reject what is holy to Him !

Grace777x70 · Jan 19, 2017

beta said:

Is coveting in the 10 commandments? Of course it is. Paul said that coveting is the law which was given by God to Moses. That's why it is called the law of Moses. Even Jesus called it that.

Romans 7:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? Mayit never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

John 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Luke 24:44 (NASB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

Let me ask this question of you: "If Christians do not observe the sabbath as outlined in the law of Moses - are they disobeying God and sinning?

If all the law of Moses which Paul says is a shadow speaks and points to Christ - what does keeping the Sabbath mean in relation to Christ now that the Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and is not under the law of Moses anymore?

Stunnedbygrace · Jan 19, 2017

prove-all said:

Those alive (humans) in the millennial reign, will want to go to all the feasts their King sets out for them! Who wouldn't want to go and dine with Him?

060711099100 · Jan 19, 2017

I think it's like any action or thought that goes against God's holiness,
but

not sure it is the answer you are looking for

Stunnedbygrace · Jan 19, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Is coveting in the 10 commandments? Of course it is. Paul said that coveting is the law which was given by God to Moses. That's why it is called the law of Moses. Even Jesus called it that.

Romans 7:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? Mayit never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

John 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Luke 24:44 (NASB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

Let me ask this question of you: "If Christians do not observe the sabbath as outlined in the law of Moses - are they disobeying God and sinning?

If all the law of Moses which Paul says is a shadow speaks and points to Christ - what does keeping the Sabbath mean in relation to Christ now that the Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and is not under the law of Moses anymore?

I think he is asking what the spirit of the law is regarding the Sabbath rest.

Because it is not the letter that avails us, but the spirit.

Grace777x70 · Jan 19, 2017

Stunnedbygrace said:

I agree...Jesus is our Sabbath rest because we cease from our own works to enter into His works done for us. Heb 4:9-11

Jesus fulfilled all the law of Moses and was the only person that could fulfill it - that's why He is our Savior.

The lady I was responding with my post is trying to say that the 10 commandments are not in the law of Moses. She believes that Christians not observing the Sabbath as in the law of Moses are dis-obeying God and are sinning.

I think some are asking about the Sabbaths in Isaiah 66 because they are trying to say that the Sabbaths as outlined in the law of Moses will be always observed so the Christian must observe the Sabbath like they did in the law of Moses which of course is error.

Stunnedbygrace · Jan 19, 2017

Yes, of course it is error. It is going back to the letter instead of the new way of life in Our Lord.
It is fine to choose a day of the week to step away from all temporal obligations and to focus on Him though, if you are able to do so! I spend whole days with Him sometimes. And I spend every morning with Him.

If we obey in spirit, we do nothing wrong. There is no law against the spirit and walking in the Spirit. Because there is no law against love.

john832 · Jan 26, 2017

prove-all said:

Exactly! there is the way of give, God's way and the way of get, Satan's way.

Dagallen · Jan 26, 2017

john832 said:

I can accept the above statement.

john832 · Jan 26, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Law of Moses?

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

Who said this?

Exo 21:1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.

Exo 24:1 And he said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.

Who is He?

Exo 24:2 And Moses alone shall come near the LORD: but they shall not come nigh; neither shall the people go up with him.
Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Exo 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Hmmm, I think you need to read a little before you spout off.

john832 · Jan 26, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I think you are "reading" into that all flesh are keeping the Sabbaths - as in the law of Moses.

I'm not sure what time period Isaiah is talking about in chapter 66 but verse 23 doesn't say "all flesh is keeping the Sabbaths".

Isaiah is speaking to Jews so he would use terminology that they are familiar with in relating to time periods.

The same principle as we would use the terms today of " from January to January. from your birthday to your birthday".

Isaiah 66:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.

Very creative interpretation indeed. False but creative.

Grace777x70 · Jan 26, 2017

john832 said:

Jesus Himself called it the Law of Moses - so take it up with Him. I'm going to believe Christ Himself. I sincerely hope you don't accuse the Lord Himself with spouting off because He called it the law of Moses too.

Luke 24:44 (NASB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

John 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

John 7:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?

John 1:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

It's time to stop eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and start eating from the tree of Life - Christ Himself. He alone is our life.

( and no He is not a real tree nor is He a real lamb nor lion....these are symbolic or a representation of Christ just like the Law of Moses is a mere shadow but the real substance of it is Christ Himself )

Law-keepers exchange Christ for the law of Moses and thus nullify the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to do. I encourage you to come to Christ and trust in what He has already done and come out of that yoke of bondage and fear.

The law of Moses was to lead us to Christ - now it's a goner to the Christian who has died to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

We will not commit spiritual adultery on our Lord by going back to the law of Moses for life and living. He is our life now. We love Him and are joined as one spirit with Him. 1 Cor. 6:17

prove-all · Jan 26, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

the oracles of God

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them

were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

john832 · Jan 26, 2017

prove-all said:

the oracles of God

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them

were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to prove-all again.

beta · Jan 27, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

You are leaving out the fact that GOD personally gave the 10 Commandments and only because the people refused (as you are doing) Ex 20v19, Deut 5,to hear God anymore - so Moses was to reiterate all the law to the people....but that does not change the truth that GOD HIMSELF gave the 10 Com first.
Jesus said He Kept His Fathers Commandments...sure He kept them ALL...but then He abolished the commandments contained in ordinances/works Eph 2v15, Col 2v14, that came through Moses.
You are not hearing God and refuse to make a 'difference between holy and unholy by believing we must not separate the Commandments.
GOD Himself makes the difference between holy and unholy but some refuse to hear Him.
Jesus and His Father are ONE and don't have separate laws....but they are kept in different ways, which Jesus Christ is teaching us.
And please don't tell people I want to keep the law of Moses - I don't !!!
I want to keep the law/10 Commandments as GOD gave them and I still hear !!!

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

beta said:

What is happening is that you are exchanging Christ Himself for the 10 commandments. The law of Moses includes the 10 commandments as Paul said that he was coveting in Romans 7:7. James said if you break one - you are a transgressor of them all.

There is no separating out the Law of Moses for our own individual religious reasons that nullify the grace of God in our lives from operating as it should.

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.

Does that mean we can murder someone now?

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

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