Can you define sin?

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Zmouth

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Re: Can you define sin?


If I wasn't under grace I could darn sure tell you.
 

stonesoffire

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God loved me enough to let me fall, that I might see the lesson in the fall, that I might stand tall and over the fall, the question then becomes why did I fall ? Because I disobeyed the commandment of God and gave life and form to the knowledge of evil. As the lesson begins with the knowledge of good and evil, just as it shall end with the knowledge of good and evil as well, now in the end the question will be, which side will a person be on, the good side or the evil side ? Choices !
I would say we aren't going to be on either side but "in" the tree of life.
 
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I would say we aren't going to be on either side but "in" the tree of life.

I agree...there are only 2 trees...one is Life and the other is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil of which the law was a manifestation of that tree - which is why we as Christians have died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law any more because we are in Christ - He is the tree of Life.
 
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Dagallen

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The tree of life, is Spiritual, as it's fruit is Spiritual fruit, as it's fruit is good, as it is the knowledge of good, as the knowledge of good, is the everlasting gospel of life.
 
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Dagallen

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The tree of death is spiritual, as it's fruit is spiritual fruit, as it's fruit is evil, as it is the knowledge of evil, as the knowledge if evil, is the gospel of death.
 
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Dagallen

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Sin is when mankind disobeyed the commandment if God, giving life to both the knowledge of and evil, who created the knowledge of good and evil ? God ! God gave life to the knowledge if good, He gave it form and called it mankind, God saw everything He created was good but it did not remain good, as God did not give life nor form to the knowledge of evil but mankind did, giving the knowledge if evil form and eye's to see with and ear's to hear with and a voice to speak with, as male and female, as mankind has been speaking with a forked tongue from then on.
 

SCHISM

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Proverbs 24:9

"The thought of foolishness is sin:"

Sin isn't limited to actions. Our thoughts, if foolish, are a sin. But the good news is that our sins are forgiven. We've made mistakes. We've thought things that aren't true. Be kind and love one another, and remind everyone of the good news. Rejoice. Thank you Jesus.
 
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it is amazing how much people have to say re this post---
yet not 'hitting the mark'. You know why not ? you are 'groping in the dark...the result of disobedience and unbelief !
You're not perfect so take the log out of your eye.
 

john832

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Question 13 (13th of 16) It is important to know what sin is. Define sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
 

prove-all

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I agree...there are only 2 trees...one is Life and the other is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil of which the law was a manifestation of that tree - which is why we as Christians have died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law any more because we are in Christ - He is the tree of Life.
I disagree, you have the trees backwards

Romans 7:12 (KJV)

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
 
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I disagree, you have the trees backwards

Romans 7:12 (KJV)

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

No, Christ is definitely the tree of Life.

The law is definitely the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and it was put into everyone that came after Adam as Romans says Romans 2:14-15.

In the law you have the "good". If you do this good - then God will do this good to you. In the law you have "evil" - if you don't do this - then this evil will come upon you.

Notice that the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is both "the good" and "the evil". It is the "knowledge of good and evil". This is the law.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was "good" and holy just like all the other trees but it is NOT for us.

Genesis 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Only God said - don't eat of that tree because you will die.

That is why in Christ we have died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law any more.

We were never meant to eat from that tree of the "knowledge" of good and evil - only God can eat from that tree. We are to eat from the tree of Life only which is Christ Himself.


 
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john832

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I agree...there are only 2 trees...one is Life and the other is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil of which the law was a manifestation of that tree - which is why we as Christians have died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law any more because we are in Christ - He is the tree of Life.
I would see scripture to prove that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the law.
 

john832

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No, Christ is definitely the tree of Life.
This presents a real problem, Christ was the Creator...

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Someone talked with Adam and Eve...

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

They heard His voice, the voice of the Creator, the Word, Jesus Christ. It was not the Father...

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

So, if Christ was the Creator and created the Tree of Life, then He is not the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life was destroyed in the flood but will again grow after the Millennium and LGD...

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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Dagallen

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The trees in the garden are not actually trees, as it has nothing to do with trees, justvas there was no talking snake that spoke to Eve, the writer is using earthly things to explain spiritual things, as Jesus himself taught at times in the same like manner.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sin, a mathematical term, it means take a start point and go from that point to an end point.

As long as we stay on line, we are walking on the mark, and will end up where we want to be.

walk off the mark, even a little bit, may start off as a small almost non noticeable differential. but follow it out. at the end, you will have "MISSED THE MARK"


thats why one sin, no matter how small, is called "missing the mark" because it takes us off the path. And it is also why we need christ, because we can not stay on the path.
 
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Dagallen

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Sin, a mathematical term, it means take a start point and go from that point to an end point.

As long as we stay on line, we are walking on the mark, and will end up where we want to be.

walk off the mark, even a little bit, may start off as a small almost non noticeable differential. but follow it out. at the end, you will have "MISSED THE MARK"


thats why one sin, no matter how small, is called "missing the mark" because it takes us off the path. And it is also why we need christ, because we can not stay on the path.
If Jesus God but not the Father, then who is the Father ? Just trying to understand where some are from in thought.
 

john832

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The trees in the garden are not actually trees, as it has nothing to do with trees, justvas there was no talking snake that spoke to Eve, the writer is using earthly things to explain spiritual things, as Jesus himself taught at times in the same like manner.
Yeah, the scripture is all just allegory and we must spiritualize all of it away. (spoken with dripping sarcasm)
 
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This presents a real problem, Christ was the Creator...

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Someone talked with Adam and Eve...

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

They heard His voice, the voice of the Creator, the Word, Jesus Christ. It was not the Father...

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

So, if Christ was the Creator and created the Tree of Life, then He is not the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life was destroyed in the flood but will again grow after the Millennium and LGD...

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Of course Christ is not a literal tree - just like He isn't a literal Lamb.

The tree itself is a representation of Christ as Christ is in all things and all things were created by Him Col. 1:16-17

Jesus is the Life. The tree was a manifestation of that life. God said to remove man from the garden in case he eats of the tree of Life and lives forever.

John 1:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

We eat of Christ and He is that bread of Life.

John 6:48 (KJV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]I am that bread of life.

John 6:54 (KJV)
[SUP]54 [/SUP]Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the Life". There are tons more scripture but definitely Jesus is the life and the tree of life in the garden was a symbol or representation of Him that was to come.
 
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Dagallen

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Yeah, the scripture is all just allegory and we must spiritualize all of it away. (spoken with dripping sarcasm)
Note: blindness is mindless to spiritual understanding.
 

prove-all

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“The one tree was the TREE OF LIFE, the other the TREE OF DEATH.
One is the way of GOD; the other is the way of SATAN.” It’s that simple!

The roots are the most important part of a tree: They anchor the tree to the ground.
The roots are the source of nourishment for the branches and fruit. The roots
determine how large a tree can grow, how many branches it can support, what kind
of fruit it produces and how much. Trees can survive without fruit, and sometimes
without branches, but no tree can survive without healthy roots!


If Adam had taken from the tree of life, he would have eaten fruit
produced by the tree with God at its roots and received the Spirit
of God. Eating from the tree of life meant obeying God, accepting
God’s revealed knowledge; obeying God’s word.

the root of that tree—from which it gathers all of its life, and everything comes
from the root—IS GOD. Then the main trunk of the tree is the SPIRIT OF GOD.

But eating from the tree of death meant taking of fruit produced by
the spirit of Satan, originating from Satan at its roots. Satan rejected
God and decided for himself what was right and wrong. By eating from
Satan’s tree, Adam made it his prerogative to decide what was good
and evil, right and wrong. Adam made the choice and that mankind was
to be influenced and led by the spirit of the devil.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil appeared beautiful and good for food, but
inside it was vile and rotten. “[T]he root of that tree, “is Satan, and the spirit of Satan
coming up through the trunk. And then the various ways that it leads to are the ways

of COMPETITION, of VANITY, exalting the SELF even ABOVE GOD, of COMPETITION,
of STRIFE, of ENVY, of JEALOUSY, of BITTERNESS, … of OPPOSITION,
of DISHARMONY and DISUNITY in every way; and that ENDS IN DEATH.”

God closed off access to the tree of life after Adam and Eve’s sin (Genesis 3:22-24).
By eating of the wrong tree, Adam decided it would be man’s prerogative to decide
for himself what is good and what is evil, what is right and what is wrong.

Man had turned his back on the Holy Spirit of God, flowing from the roots of the tree
of life through the trunk. He had rejected the law of God, pictured by the branches;
he rejected the fruits of the Spirit, symbolized by the fruits hanging from the tree.

The tree of life symbolized the way of God, the law of God, the knowledge of God.

If Adam had eaten from that tree, mankind could have thrived on the fruits produced
by the tree of life; he would have been given access to the Spirit of God and developed
the mind of God. Peace, abundance, joy and stability could have encompassed the Earth.

THIS WORLD IS FILLED WITH EVIDENCE SHOWING WHAT TREE ADAM ATE FROM!


Isaiah 2:3 (KJV)
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his
paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Micah 4:2 (KJV)
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his
paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.