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As Christians, we are exhorted to bear fruit. #6
We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).
The fruit we are to bear has different aspects to it. One is character building:the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Peter adds to this: make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.
So our life surrendered to God, and our works through faith are fruit, and so are people who come to Christ through us (Rom 1:3; Phil 4:17), and there is also the fruit of our lips as we praise God and witness to others (Heb 13:15).
These are good fruits, partaken of when aligned with the will of God.
Evil fruits would be the result of disobeying God, defying God, following self will in opposition to God's will, severing ourselves from fellowship with Him, etc. That is the fruit Adam and Eve bore and ate (lived). They followed the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life, in turning away from God after being in fellowship with Him. It is what we all do before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God.
I think it will be wonderful to be restored to the garden in the new earth. Come LORD Jesus.
We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).
The fruit we are to bear has different aspects to it. One is character building:the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Peter adds to this: make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.
So our life surrendered to God, and our works through faith are fruit, and so are people who come to Christ through us (Rom 1:3; Phil 4:17), and there is also the fruit of our lips as we praise God and witness to others (Heb 13:15).
These are good fruits, partaken of when aligned with the will of God.
Evil fruits would be the result of disobeying God, defying God, following self will in opposition to God's will, severing ourselves from fellowship with Him, etc. That is the fruit Adam and Eve bore and ate (lived). They followed the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life, in turning away from God after being in fellowship with Him. It is what we all do before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God.
I think it will be wonderful to be restored to the garden in the new earth. Come LORD Jesus.
We are only eat from that one tree and not the tree that God said not to eat from.
We were never meant to live by the law of which the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a representation of. Only God Himself can partake of that tree.
The law had a specific purpose and it has done it's job which is why we have now died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law but grace which is being in Christ Himself - the tree of life.
The law is holy and from God - it is just not for the Christian in Christ.
We were never meant to live by the law of which the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a representation of. Only God Himself can partake of that tree.
The law had a specific purpose and it has done it's job which is why we have now died to the law, been released from the law and not under the law but grace which is being in Christ Himself - the tree of life.
The law is holy and from God - it is just not for the Christian in Christ.
J
From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.
People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.
My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.
God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.
People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.
My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.
God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.
Friend - sorry but I can not make 'head or tail of your post.
Instead of posting all these veiled questions and dancing around them why don't you just ask them and give your understanding of them so we all know where we stand ?
What do you mean you are being attacked ? People are just asking for 'clarity and you are being very 'secretive and evasive....come-on, be open and fair and don't blame GOD for forcing you against your will.
Instead of posting all these veiled questions and dancing around them why don't you just ask them and give your understanding of them so we all know where we stand ?
What do you mean you are being attacked ? People are just asking for 'clarity and you are being very 'secretive and evasive....come-on, be open and fair and don't blame GOD for forcing you against your will.
Oh no, not this again.........sigh........so, to be sure.......you ARE denying the Deity of Christ? Don't want to misread your statement here.........
Could you also tell us what Screen Name you used the last time you were here on CC? It would help us greatly to understand your views of Scripture.
Thanks
Could you also tell us what Screen Name you used the last time you were here on CC? It would help us greatly to understand your views of Scripture.
Thanks
D
Oh no, not this again.........sigh........so, to be sure.......you ARE denying the Deity of Christ? Don't want to misread your statement here.........
Could you also tell us what Screen Name you used the last time you were here on CC? It would help us greatly to understand your views of Scripture.
Thanks
Could you also tell us what Screen Name you used the last time you were here on CC? It would help us greatly to understand your views of Scripture.
Thanks
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
-have you not heard about the oracles of God? given [to us]
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
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can you explain why in [the future] for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Micah 4:2-Isaiah 2:3
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
in the future, we will be back on Gods lunar calander,
we will not follow a heathen solar calander like we do now..
all flesh will keep Gods Sabbaths.
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against
Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem
to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
-have you not heard about the oracles of God? given [to us]
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
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can you explain why in [the future] for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Micah 4:2-Isaiah 2:3
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
in the future, we will be back on Gods lunar calander,
we will not follow a heathen solar calander like we do now..
all flesh will keep Gods Sabbaths.
16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against
Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem
to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Simple....the law of Moses is not Christ. The word "law" means instruction or principle. Law-keepers of the Old Covenant always see the word "law" or "commandments" and by default they go to their Old Covenant law of Moses thinking.
Law-keepers confuse Christ all the time with the law of Moses which is why they don't understand that the Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and is now not under the law. They are still trying to keep the law instead of living from the life of Christ in the new creation which is in Christ.
Christ Himself was the only one to fulfill the law of Moses ( which is why God is the only one that can eat from that tree ) and now it's a goner for us Christians. The law itself is still around but it is not for the righteous. We are the righteous in Christ. The law of Moses is not of faith.
Matt. 4:4 says that every word that is proceeding from the moth of God - present tense.
God is now speaking to us through His Son and not the law of Moses anymore.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Law-keepers confuse Christ all the time with the law of Moses which is why they don't understand that the Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and is now not under the law. They are still trying to keep the law instead of living from the life of Christ in the new creation which is in Christ.
Christ Himself was the only one to fulfill the law of Moses ( which is why God is the only one that can eat from that tree ) and now it's a goner for us Christians. The law itself is still around but it is not for the righteous. We are the righteous in Christ. The law of Moses is not of faith.
Matt. 4:4 says that every word that is proceeding from the moth of God - present tense.
God is now speaking to us through His Son and not the law of Moses anymore.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
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I think you are "reading" into that all flesh are keeping the Sabbaths - as in the law of Moses.
I'm not sure what time period Isaiah is talking about in chapter 66 but verse 23 doesn't say "all flesh is keeping the Sabbaths".
Isaiah is speaking to Jews so he would use terminology that they are familiar with in relating to time periods.
The same principle as we would use the terms today of " from January to January. from your birthday to your birthday".
Isaiah 66:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.
I'm not sure what time period Isaiah is talking about in chapter 66 but verse 23 doesn't say "all flesh is keeping the Sabbaths".
Isaiah is speaking to Jews so he would use terminology that they are familiar with in relating to time periods.
The same principle as we would use the terms today of " from January to January. from your birthday to your birthday".
Isaiah 66:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.