Stonesoffire: Genesis study

[Ariel82]

So if it was a created light, we should be able to see it with our temporal eyes?

People can't see angels unless their spiritual eyes are open. Just look at the young man who was afraid until Elishua (spell check needed) opened his eyes to see the army of angels around the hill.

God protected us even if we can't see our bodyguards.

Sides too many people would be tempted to worship angels instead of God...people already make idols of their spouses, money, stars, animal, the sun, etc.

 

[LaurenTM]

stunned plainly told me a page back or so, that she believes human beings are bipartate

no spirit

nada

Next part: I disagree that we are born with a spirit. I think Adams spirit died on the day he ate the fruit and I believe he could only bring forth of his own kind after that. But I always like to hear what others think the part of Adam that died on that day was.

page nine actually

 

[Ariel82]

I'm getting real tired of being accused of things I never said. And I don't want to do it to someone else who I seem to be hearing say one of the most fantastically inaccurate things I have ever seen here. So let me get this straight.

Are you saying that as, and after, a baby is born, they do NOT have a spirit? If so, when, exactly, does a baby get a spirit as they grow into childhood?

I believe babies are born with the breath of life. They don't spiritually die until they reach the age of accountability and make their first conscious decision to sin and turn away from God. I believe the age is different for each person. Mentally handicap people may never reach that age.

I know you didn't ask me, but didn't want you to feel ignored.

 

[Ariel82]

stunned plainly told me a page back or so, that she believes human beings are bipartate

no spirit

nada

Sorry catching up on the thread, if my,post seem behind.its cuz I am..

 

[Willie-T]

I believe babies are born with the breath of life. They don't spiritually die until they reach the age of accountability and make their first conscious decision to sin and turn away from God. I believe the age is different for each person. Mentally handicap people may never reach that age.

I know you didn't ask me, but didn't want you to feel ignored.

I didn't ask you because it wasn't you who typed that they believe babies are born without a spirit.

 

[LaurenTM]

was acknowledging what Willie said...be careful you don't get up in the weird looping thing going on here....

Sorry catching up on the thread, if my,post seem behind.its cuz I am..

 

[Ariel82]

Genesis 3 God have Adam the gospel and he was born again by his faith in the promised Seed.

 

[popeye]

I have a lot of thoughts that i need to test.

One is about Angels being stars. I heard someone say it.but haven't had time to research the thought.

If it's true then being "spirit" doesn't mean you are bodiless because stars have bodies.

This will blow you away;

[video=youtube;h7TfNrIBKGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7TfNrIBKGI[/video]

 

[Ariel82]

was acknowledging what Willie said...be careful you don't get up in the weird looping thing going on here....

Too late for weird...lol, that boat sailed,a long time ago...however I like the terms unique better when describing myself

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

This is unbelievable. Tell me what you think I said in that first paragraph?

Since you put my reply to ariel in a quote box and then said what you did, I of course assumed it was a reply to what you quoted of me. But I'm going to drop this because it's of no good to myself or anyone else in here. You and Lauren are just being brash and contentious and haughty toward everyone in here who are really trying to study and learn and work out what they believe and why they believe it, including me. We are having a good discussion and you two are just beating everyone up. I'm just not going to respond to arrogance and haughtiness, so if I ignore a post, you can be assured that the spirit in which it is spoken is the reason why I ignore it. That's all I'm going to say about it.

 

[stonesoffire]

I think I can grasp where your mind went somewhat...but what IS the shaking? What caused the shaking?

Symbolism Stunned. A symbolic picture of God beginning to stir things of men to cause a change. It says roshe, shaking of the head since its the most easily shook. My words.

Zola Levitt has a teaching on firstfruits. This might help you understand.

Passover-symbolic of blood on the doorpost of our heart to escape eternal death. Story of the Hebrews in Egypt.
Unleavened bread- symbolic of a holy life without sin.
Pentecost- it has escaped me as to what he says about this..I would have to find his study again.
Firstfruits- the summer harvest- Jesus is the firstfruit- we are the fall harvest of continuing first fruits.

Its firstfruits that I am connecting the shaking...Its a plan of God of a new beginning. My idea of Pentecost is a new genesis of spiritual men and women. Just can't remember Levitts.

We are hearing of a shaking now. The time of genties or the fullness? The manifestation of the Sons in the earth? The rapture? Maybe all of this but its a new beginning of something.

I hope this isn't confusing things all the more.

 

[Ariel82]

If Ariel's post was what I quoted and then responded to, why on earth would you think I was responding to you...???

He knows you were responding to me....he wants you to clarify your statement because he doesn't agree that babies are born without spirit. I don't agree either.

For example John the Baptist jumped as Mary approached with baby Jesus while they were both in their mothers wombs. Plus there are scriptures that say God knew people from the womb, before they were even born.

 

[LaurenTM]

Too late for weird...lol, that boat sailed,a long time ago...however I like the terms unique better when describing myself

into uncharted seas no less...or perhaps the Sargasso Sea if you are familiar with that

unique is good...like a snowflake, right?

 

[stonesoffire]

Stonesoffire, where do you get 7225 from? I don't find it listed in the occurences of "beginnings" and I didn't see it listed as a root word for any of the numbers that can convey beginnings. I may have missed something though.

Its the word beginning.

 

[Willie-T]

Genesis 3 God have Adam the gospel and he was born again by his faith in the promised Seed.

Although the sentence you wrote was a little difficult to decipher, I just read all 24 verses of Genesis 3, and found no mention, at all, of what you seem to have said.

 

[Ariel82]

Sorry for the confusion, was just trying to lay a groundwork for stunning as to why I might come up with a different conclusion then hers. So I posted first how I see Genesis.

Yes, I heard a teaching from Gloria Copeland at Lester Sumralls church many years ago and this is what she said. Since then, I read that this is also a Jewish belief...I like to read what Rabbis teach. And its in a lost book which I know the church doesn't recognize. I haven't read all of this book,only skimmed through the contents and then through the books itself. I think this particular one was called Adam and Eve, but not sure.

Why I believe this is because this is what we will be in heaven. A being of light, in the image of God. Did Jesus restore us to a future previous state? Haven't yet done my own study on this subject. But, someday will.

Clear as mud yet?

Jesus had a glorified body that allowed Him to eat fish and bread after His ressurection. He was able to be touched and seen by people.

Books outside the Bible often lead to conclusions that contradict what the Bible, thus God teaches.

 

[Ariel82]

into uncharted seas no less...or perhaps the Sargasso Sea if you are familiar with that

unique is good...like a snowflake, right?

Don't worry Willie, I am made of salt. Wont melt when sarcasm is added. Lol.

 

[LaurenTM]

You and Lauren are just being brash and contentious and haughty toward everyone in here who are really trying to study and learn and work out what they believe and why they believe it,

I flatly deny that

considering the outrageous renderings of your beliefs, without scripture to back them up, I would say that I am actually being very nice

and I have seen Willie be a whole lot more ...uh...sarcastic

 

[stonesoffire]

Hmm...it doesn't appear by, my study of the words, to have been created perfect in the opening lines of Genesis. The words without form and void do not describe very well the horror, darkness and misery that is in the Hebrew words used. The meanings of the Hebrew words used seem to convey something awful happening to create a place of such misery. But AFTER the light, it begins to turn around...

You aren't understanding the post stunned. It is speaking of the first age being perfect..the age of Job and the fall of Lucifer...so the world becomes without form and void after this event.

The second age...this current age...Adam and Eve- the fall of mankind- the seed of the woman- the victory of the promised One who redeems mankind from the power of sin and death (the result of the fall), the death and resurrection and the new genesis...a new beginning...in the beginning...a shaking is coming...we wait for the promise.

Does this help?

 

[Ariel82]

I was referring to this part of your post:



I threw that little tidbit about the candle in there just for the fun of it and to explain another type of physical lights that we do know about besides the sun and the light bulb...lol

I really don't know the exact answer as to what the light was but I do know there are other forms of physical light besides the sun; such as, Lightening, fire, sparks, explosions...

Do you know that the human body gives off a weak magnetic field?

Biomagnetism is the phenomenon where magnetic fields are produced by the living things, especially by the human body; (different from magnetic fields applied to the body, called magnetobiology). The body's magnetic fields are very weak,

Biomagnetism: Magnetic Fields Produced by the Human Body | Thayer School of Engineering at Dartmouth