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[iamsoandso]

they did it for almost 40 years after his death, So what would make it any different?

They who,did James and all the elders say to Paul to do this in Acts 21?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The one spoken of. The one the unbelieving Jews deny occurred, that the time, had come. They are still waiting for God to come and destroy the gentiles..

It will not come again. No need to look at something that has no purpose other than making it into an idol.

Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the “time” of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

The spiritual meaning of that parable is hid from the unbelieving Jew.

What time period do you think it was restored to?



I agree he fulfilled it by fulfilling the shadows and types, with His person .The ceremonials laws served their purpose to be used as parables. The old testament saints in who Christ dwelt eternal were no different then us. The gospel preached through the cerimoinal law was just beforehand we look back at the same grace, afterward.

Receiving the “end of your faith”, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner “of time” the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:9

The glory has followed. The work is finished.

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

The time of reformation has come. What time period do you think it was restored to?

what does this have to do with reformation of Dan9?

 

[Spurgeoncy]

This is very interesting

If you consider the matter as if you are an dispensationist then it would not be proper to apply things written to one group to another there are found in the book of Daniel that apply to "the whole earth" as in Daniel 2:39. They concern the whole earth,every tribe. Their rule is over every nation.

Then there are the things that concern only the ones denoted in Daniel 10:14 that concern the group referred to as "thy people". The 70 weeks and the 70 years only are spoken of them as "thy people" and the things that are described that effect the "thy people" denoted are what he is describing to Daniel as the events that will take place across the 70 weeks that begging at the time the the decree to restore Jerusalem and cover only this time period.

This is then sealed till the time of the end Daniel 12:9-13. In Matthew 24,Mark 13 and Luke 21 the same is still sealed and so the response to the disciples questions reflect this in the answer of Jesus in regards to the Abomination of Desolation Matthew 24:15. In Revelation 5:9-12 he opens the book with seven seals because he "was slain". So these things were not unsealed at the time he gave the discourse at Olivet they were not unsealed until after he was slain(crucified) buried,resurrected and ascended into heaven.

Now after the death burial and resurrection,after the sealed book is unsealed because he was slain Paul receives his revelations of the mysteries kept secret from the foundation Romans 16:25. And John also after the death burial and resurrection receives a similar revelation and mysteries are given, exp. Revelation 17:7,"tell thee the mystery".

So there are secret things that belong to God Deuteronomy 29:29 ,things that the angels desire to look into 1Peter 1:12/Daniel 10:21 that is the angel states that Michael could only hold with him on the matter so the others understood less. And Jesus also in Matthew 24:26 states that only the father new this and this Acts 1:7...

These things then were spoken Matthew 13:35,first the parables and then after he was slain he uttered the things kept secret from the foundation of the world. So there are the things the Lord spoke of before he was slain and those that were not known until after he was slain and opened the seven seals and they are the revelations revealed by the resurrected Lord to Paul the apostle to the gentiles, and the revelations revealed to the circumcision Galatians 2:7-8.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Iamsoandso talks about something very important.

The withholding of information from enemies.

This is commonly done through encryption.

 

[JimmieD]

It demonstrates Israel's resolve to build their temple.

Of course they have no affiliation with Israel's government, so it doesn't seem to show Israel's resolve to do anything. If anything, the government's lack affiliation with this organization would show the opposite.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They who,did James and all the elders say to Paul to do this in Acts 21?

It does not matter what they told them.

what matters is that they did, Are you denying there was animal sacrifice up til ad 70? (remember the animal sacrifice by the Ananias was not according to the law.. He was unclean. he rejected christ, thus he was not a priest of God. let alone a high priest.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you consider the matter as if you are an dispensationist then it would not be proper to apply things written to one group to another there are found in the book of Daniel that apply to "the whole earth" as in Daniel 2:39. They concern the whole earth,every tribe. Their rule is over every nation.

Then there are the things that concern only the ones denoted in Daniel 10:14 that concern the group referred to as "thy people". The 70 weeks and the 70 years only are spoken of them as "thy people" and the things that are described that effect the "thy people" denoted are what he is describing to Daniel as the events that will take place across the 70 weeks that begging at the time the the decree to restore Jerusalem and cover only this time period.

This is then sealed till the time of the end Daniel 12:9-13. In Matthew 24,Mark 13 and Luke 21 the same is still sealed and so the response to the disciples questions reflect this in the answer of Jesus in regards to the Abomination of Desolation Matthew 24:15. In Revelation 5:9-12 he opens the book with seven seals because he "was slain". So these things were not unsealed at the time he gave the discourse at Olivet they were not unsealed until after he was slain(crucified) buried,resurrected and ascended into heaven.

Now after the death burial and resurrection,after the sealed book is unsealed because he was slain Paul receives his revelations of the mysteries kept secret from the foundation Romans 16:25. And John also after the death burial and resurrection receives a similar revelation and mysteries are given, exp. Revelation 17:7,"tell thee the mystery".

So there are secret things that belong to God Deuteronomy 29:29 ,things that the angels desire to look into 1Peter 1:12/Daniel 10:21 that is the angel states that Michael could only hold with him on the matter so the others understood less. And Jesus also in Matthew 24:26 states that only the father new this and this Acts 1:7...

These things then were spoken Matthew 13:35,first the parables and then after he was slain he uttered the things kept secret from the foundation of the world. So there are the things the Lord spoke of before he was slain and those that were not known until after he was slain and opened the seven seals and they are the revelations revealed by the resurrected Lord to Paul the apostle to the gentiles, and the revelations revealed to the circumcision Galatians 2:7-8.

I agree.

Thy people. this is what is in reference in Dan 9, Daniel prayed for the people of God (Israel) The city of God (jerusalem) and the house of God.

70 weeks are determined.

first 69 (command to restore until messiah the prince) were literally fulfilled.

The day jesus entered. Jesus uttered the words. Oh Israel , if you ONLY knew this day, how often I wanted to gather you as a han gathers her chicks, but you were not willing. so NOW IT HAS BEEN HIDDEN FROM YOU. At that point, the 69th week ended. And God declared Isreal the nation (thy people) The city (Jerusalem) and the temple would be destroyed (also spoken of by daniel the prophet, that after messiah got killed, the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary) ANd that the city and sanctuary would remain in ruins and desolate for a determined time (in the mean time, wars and rumors of wars) Then someone wil confirm a covenant with many.

At that time, Isreal, the city and the sanctuary (rebuilt) are back in worldview. and then and ONLY then can the 70th week begin.

why?

It concerns only them. If they are in ruins, then there is no THY PEOPLE. THY CITY AND THY SANCTUARY

It is also what theologians call a prophetic gap.

Prophesy looks forward, it sees a series of events, which occur in succession. There is no way to tell when those things occur. just that they will occur in a given sequence.

Yet when you turn it and look from the side view, you see there are gaps in between the sequence of events. which could not be seen from front looking perspective.

 

[iamsoandso]

It does not matter what they told them.

what matters is that they did, Are you denying there was animal sacrifice up til ad 70? (remember the animal sacrifice by the Ananias was not according to the law.. He was unclean. he rejected christ, thus he was not a priest of God. let alone a high priest.

Paul said he went there to "worship" Acts 24:11, Also he said that when they found him he was "purified in the temple" Acts 24:18 Paul recites this from one to the next all the way to Rome. If James and the elders told him to do this and Paul did do it and it was improper for them to do so because if they did then... hmm,one group we say are anti Christ because they should not do this after the crucifixion,but then James the elders and Paul did,hmm.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Understanding Daniel is really no different to accepting Christ.

That Christ is the Son Of God, and the Salvation of Mankind, is as clear to me as the stars in the sky, and that to make wine you need grapes.

Likewise the fulfilment of Daniel's 70th week in Ad 67-73 is equally clear to me.

But there are those who dance around these issues. It is just spiritual cataracts.

Daniel 9:27 is clearly about the Romans smashing Jerusalem. If someone cannot see it, you cannot help them.

 

[garee]

Paul said he went there to "worship" Acts 24:11, Also he said that when they found him he was "purified in the temple" Acts 24:18 Paul recites this from one to the next all the way to Rome. If James and the elders told him to do this and Paul did do it and it was improper for them to do so because if they did then... hmm,one group we say are anti Christ because they should not do this after the crucifixion,but then James the elders and Paul did,hmm.

They found Paul already purified, a ceremonial cleansing having it roots in the Old testament... called water baptism., The ceremony in respect to a kingdom of Priest as all believers are today is still be performed. When and where he received that purifying, ceremonial law no one knows.

 

[iamsoandso]

Understanding Daniel is really no different to accepting Christ.

That Christ is the Son Of God, and the Salvation of Mankind, is as clear to me as the stars in the sky, and that to make wine you need grapes.

Likewise the fulfilment of Daniel's 70th week in Ad 67-73 is equally clear to me.

But there are those who dance around these issues. It is just spiritual cataracts.

Daniel 9:27 is clearly about the Romans smashing Jerusalem. If someone cannot see it, you cannot help them.

In Matthew 24;15 Jesus says to flee when they see the AoD set up. In Revelation 13:15 the ones who refuse to worship the beast are killed.

In ad66-73 the Jews involved in the siege minted their own coins(did not use Rome’s money) and instead of bowing down to Caesar they revolted(Jewish revolt). Who had the mark of the beast and what was it?

 

[iamsoandso]

They found Paul already purified, a ceremonial cleansing having it roots in the Old testament... called water baptism., The ceremony in respect to a kingdom of Priest as all believers are today is still be performed. When and where he received that purifying, ceremonial law no one knows.

see Acts 21:26 "until an offering should be offered for every one of them" ,why the offering?

 

[zone]

In Matthew 24;15 Jesus says to flee when they see the AoD set up. In Revelation 13:15 the ones who refuse to worship the beast are killed.

In ad66-73 the Jews involved in the siege minted their own coins(did not use Rome’s money) and instead of bowing down to Caesar they revolted(Jewish revolt). Who had the mark of the beast and what was it?

but their coins were Tyrian

 

[iamsoandso]

but their coins were Tyrian

If Rome was the beast in question and using their money to buy and sell was equal to receiving the mark in Rev.13 then would not the apostles in Romans 13:1-7 ,Hebrews 13:17,and 1 peter 2 who were telling the Christians to obey their masters(Rome) pay,render all their dues Romans 13:7 to receive the mark? I don’t think they would have told them to use the money of Rome or to see their authority as ordained by God if this is so that Rome was the beast in question Romans 13;1 ...

Then from the other point of view if Rome was the beast in question and those who were involved in the that began in ad66 refused to see Rome as ordained of God Romans 13:1 and revolted and minted their own coins "Jewish revolt coins" and were killed because of this (ad70) then the ones who refused the mark of the beast did not have it and the Christians did. Notice the marks are all on the wrong foreheads?

 

[iamsoandso]

lol,I missed my 5 minute edit window it should read "in the revolt that began in ad66" in second par.

 

[samuel23]

AHWA; Sorry but that would be perverting the word of God for your own pleasure...the words "make" or "makes" are simply not in this place in the bible. Instead of trying to make the bible agree with you why not just allow the bible to speak for itself and then deal with it. You say I am trying to CHANGE the scripture?? I am quoting the exact word CONFIRM that is what is in the bible, and you are trying to change the word CONFIRM into the word MAKES...and then you accuse me of changing the scripture? First you change the scripture(changing confirm into make) and then you accuse me of changing the scripture because I insist on using the correct word? Please tell me you are not that mixed up.

 

[Bookends]

How do you figure? I belong to the church, which is a different entity than Israel. The church has already believed in Christ are therefore covered by His shed blood, where Israel has not believed, for they stumbled over the stumbling stone. Once the church has been completed, God will then pick up right where He left off, complete with temple and sacrifices and will fulfill that last seven years that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. It is sometime during that last 3 1/2 years that Israel will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah saying, "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

The church is the continuation of the true Israel. Paul illustrates this beautifully in the analogy of the cultivated olive tree in Romans 9. The root and trunk (the Abrahamic Covenant) of this tree never changed, the Jews (natural branches) who believed in Christ stayed on the trunk, the Jews (natural branches) who did not believe were cut off, no longer part of the Trunk the Abrahamic covenant. The gentiles who believe(d) are grafted into the trunk the Abrahamic Covenant are rewarded the promises of God. Read Galations 3. The Promise is to Abraham and His Seed (singular, the seed is Christ), not the natural descendants of Ahraham (but only those who had faith as Abraham).

Ahwatukee, are you a son of Abraham?
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. It's not a matter of studying more, in which you claim I and others of my persuasion need to do. It's a matter of understanding what you have studied.

 

[Bookends]

Daniel 9 24 states:

“Seventy weeks are determined[not 69]
For your people and for your holy city,
1. To finish the transgression, [fulfilled according to Jesus and Paul, Matthew 23:29-32,Hebrews 9:15, 1 Thessalonians. 2 14-16, Colossians 2:13
2. To make an end of sins,
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity,
4. To bring in everlasting righteousness,
5. To seal up vision and prophecy,
6. And to anoint the Most Holy.

Matthew 23:23-32:
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. [in other words, by killing me (Jesus), you will have filled up the transgressions of your fathers. There is nothing more they, the Jews, can do to put them over the top in filling the cup of God's wrath].


Hebrews 9:15:
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. [faith and belief in Jesus is the redemption, the excuse from (pardon) the finished transgressions of the OT and including the crucifixion of Jesus].

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16:

13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.


Cololians 2:13:

13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [being in Christ]...

You can see that the bible states that 1 of these 6 conditions has been fulfilled. I'm out of time for now, but I'll show you that the bible states that all 6 of these 6 conditions have been fulfilled. And if this is the case, then the 70 weeks (not 69) are finished, fulfilled.

The continuation, call it part 2...The second condition:

2. To make an end of sins, [fulfillment, John 1:29, Romans 5:21, Hebrews 10:17-18, Romans 6:14]

John 1:29
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Romans 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Sin is no longer reigning for those in Christ)

Hebrews 10:17-18
17then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

Romans 6:14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

BTW, 70AD is just an after effect or a consequence, of this prophecy, not directly related to it. It is indirectly related to it, which has a big significance in which I believe is the reason the destruction of the city is mentioned.



3.To make reconciliation for iniquity, [Fulfillment, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:11]

Corinthians 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.


Romans 5:11
11And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received thereconciliation.

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness, [fulfilled, 1 Corinthians 1:30, Romans 3:21-22]

1 Corinthians 1:30
30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—

Romans 3:21-22
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.


To be continued... (upcoming fulfilled conditions 5. and 6.)..

God Bless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Understanding Daniel is really no different to accepting Christ.

That Christ is the Son Of God, and the Salvation of Mankind, is as clear to me as the stars in the sky, and that to make wine you need grapes.

Likewise the fulfilment of Daniel's 70th week in Ad 67-73 is equally clear to me.

But there are those who dance around these issues. It is just spiritual cataracts.

Daniel 9:27 is clearly about the Romans smashing Jerusalem. If someone cannot see it, you cannot help them.

1. Daniel has nothing to do with your or my salvation.
2. Daniel has everything to do with His people (Israel) His city (Jerusalem, which was under gentile rule, and laid in ruins) and the temple (which lied desolate) (dan 9: 13-19 makes this very clear)
3. The 70 weeks concerned Daniel and his people only. Not you, Not I, not any gentile, and it states after the 70 weaks are over, Israel will have been done with her sin (repented)

If you think the fulfillment of daniel is in 63 to 70 ad. That is your right, But to me and many others it is clear, it was not, could not, and has not yet been fulfilled. And that is our right,, And for you to declare this is a salvation issue, and we are lost because of it, Well that says alot right there.

Daniel 9: 27 has absolutely NOTHING TO do with the smashing of jerusalem. That happened all the way back in 9:26, Dan 9: 27 occurs AFTER the destruction of the city and temple. AFTER the war desolation are determined, (which we are not given a time, or date of how long that will be)

Unlike you however. I will not judge you for thinking otherwise, I will just say I agree to disagree as a brother in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If Rome was the beast in question and using their money to buy and sell was equal to receiving the mark in Rev.13 then would not the apostles in Romans 13:1-7 ,Hebrews 13:17,and 1 peter 2 who were telling the Christians to obey their masters(Rome) pay,render all their dues Romans 13:7 to receive the mark? I don’t think they would have told them to use the money of Rome or to see their authority as ordained by God if this is so that Rome was the beast in question Romans 13;1 ...

Then from the other point of view if Rome was the beast in question and those who were involved in the that began in ad66 refused to see Rome as ordained of God Romans 13:1 and revolted and minted their own coins "Jewish revolt coins" and were killed because of this (ad70) then the ones who refused the mark of the beast did not have it and the Christians did. Notice the marks are all on the wrong foreheads?

It says they will not buy or sell. All forms of monetary systems are null and void. the mark is the only way to buy and sell goods.. Basically, if you do not relieve the mark, you ability to work and make money and buy goods and services are rendered null and void. Your on your own..

And according to revelation, it is not just Israel but the whole of the earth under the beasts command.

Until recently, this was not even possible.