The Temple Institute

[Spurgeoncy]

The restore and rebuild Jerusalem is pencilled in for the 62 weeks

Morning EG,

The scripture gives a detailed account of the full 70 weeks of years:

Seven 'sevens' = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem

Sixty-two 'sevens = Messiah cut off

One 'seven' = Seven year covenant established by the "He" identified in the Dan.9:26

The last seven years will be confirmed/established/initiated by that ruler, the antichrist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Many are called but few are chosen.

Many = Polys (I wonder if the Septuagint confirms this?)

In Jesus' time, in his own words:

Many Jews are called Israelites, (called to be in the Church), but few actually are Israelites, (eklektos - elect= The Church)

There seems to be no problem with the many here.

depends on context.

Is the world leader confirming a covenant with many people. or many nations.

again, the abrahamic covenant is for all. All people are offered salvation..

Only people of the nation of isrreal are called israelites. A gentile believe in the church would never be called an israelite. so not sure what you mean here.

 

[garee]

This argument is mute No oner ever said the temple would be there to forgive sin. In fact. no temple ever had a part of ANYONE ever forgiveing sin.

All the prophesy said is a temple is in place.. Thats ALL that matters. (it being in a temple of sin is inconsequential)

I agree the temple was used up until the reformation. It stood only in meats and shadows as carnal ordinances that did nothing other than act a a shadow until the reformation..

It is obvious it was restored to period before they were used as shadows and types. I would think the time period of Judges, when men walked by faith in respect to God, as King reigning from heaven . The Jews rejected that in the same way they reject the reformation .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until "the time" of reformation.Heb 9:8

The Jews simply missed the spiritual meaning of that parable.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Everyone seems to try to resolve the issue and focus on the temple from the time the decree is set forth but, is it an decree to restore the "temple" or "Jerusalem"? If it is to restore the temple then restore as used in Daniel 9:25 is to return/turn back as in strongs #7725 so if it is "restored" then the first temple(Solomon) is the one spoken of and there is no second temple as we use the term when referring to the one built after the 70 years of bondage in Babylon. But which is it anyway is it measured from the decree to restore a "temple" or is it measured from the decree to restore "Jerusalem"? The scriptures say "Jerusalem".

Hello iamsoandso,

The problem with what you are claiming above is that, in Matt.24:15, Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 regarding the setting up of the abomination as a future event. Therefore, the restoration of the temple could not be referring to restoring the temple after the Babylonian captivity. Neither has the temple which was destroyed in 70 AD been restored. But it will be once the church has been removed and that ruler, the antichrist initiates that last seven years by making that covenant with Israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But this to me is lack of belief. When God promises to do something, he does it.

Jeremiah 11

7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not.

The punishment of Judah and Jerusalem was proclaimed by Jeremiah. Daniel picked up where Jeremiah left off, after 70 years in Babylon. The covenant here is clearly the Mosaic Covenant, as the matter starts on the day they came out of Egypt. The conclusion is that God promises to enforce the Mosaic Covenant, with all its attendant punishments for disobedience.

Yep he does.

All of it, Not just some of it..

ALL OF IT!! He keeps his promises.. (which is odd. because you want me to believe God no longer keeps his promise to Isreal. now you want to say he keeps all promises?)

The ONLY aspect which is part of the mosaic covenant in the thing which happened in 70 AD.. The covenant confirmed comes AFTER that event.

 

[garee]

the restore in 9: 25. is to restore the city. nothing to do with any temple.

Its what reformations do...restore.the heavenly city of Christ , the new Jerusalem, the bride of Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree the temple was used up until the reformation. It stood only in meats and shadows as carnal ordinances that did nothing other than act a a shadow until the reformation..

It is obvious it was restored to period before they were used as shadows and types. I would think the time period of Judges, when men walked by faith in respect to God, as King reigning from heaven . The Jews rejected that in the same way they reject the reformation .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until "the time" of reformation.Heb 9:8

The Jews simply missed the spiritual meaning of that parable.

I would say more than just the jews. Many people miss the meaning..

WHich is why they add works to the gospel of Christ. and do not understand only the high priest could do the work of redemption..

 

[garee]

Hello iamsoandso,

The problem with what you are claiming above is that, in Matt.24:15, Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 regarding the setting up of the abomination as a future event. Therefore, the restoration of the temple could not be referring to restoring the temple after the Babylonian captivity. Neither has the temple which was destroyed in 70 AD been restored. But it will be once the church has been removed and that ruler, the antichrist initiates that last seven years by making that covenant with Israel.

God has revealed the man of sin, the antichrist.

The antichrists are the Jews or any people that refuse to accept Christ has come in the flesh.They are looking for another Jesus another gospel.

2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its what reformations do...restore.the heavenly city of Christ , the new Jerusalem, the bride of Christ.

No, It was the decree given to rebuild the city of jerusalem. Found in Nehemiah 2. which started the clock of the first 69 weeks. and terminated the week Jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey (messaih the prince is introduced to jerusalem as messiah just as Jeremiah prophesied...Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.

 

[Blain]

God has revealed the man of sin, the antichrist.

The antichrists are the Jews or any people that refuse to accept Christ has come in the flesh.They are looking for another Jesus another gospel.

2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Interesting I didn't realize I was the antichrist you know being Jewish and all. Actually no that's incorrect I am only half Jewish.
Interesting though how the bible says The man of sin not the men of sin.....

 

[Ahwatukee]

“Seventy weeks are determined[not 69]

Hello Bookends,Yes, I am very well aware that seventy sevens is what was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, as I have made that perfectly clear in all of my posts. But only sixty-nine of those seventy 'sevens' have so far been fulfilled.

7 sevens = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem

62 sevens = Messiah cut off

7 sevens + 62 sevens = 69 sevens

The 70th seven is yet to be fulfilled, which is what Daniel 9:27 is describing and which will be fulfilled with Christ returning to the earth to end the age at that end of that last seven years.

 

[garee]

No, It was the decree given to rebuild the city of jerusalem. Found in Nehemiah 2. which started the clock of the first 69 weeks. and terminated the week Jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey (messaih the prince is introduced to jerusalem as messiah just as Jeremiah prophesied...Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.

Yes. He came to destroy temple worship indicated by the renting of the veil . The Holy of Holies lost it place to be used as a shadow, until the time of refomation .the refomation came .Reformations restore not rebuild.

What time period would you say it was restored to?

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Hello iamsoandso,

The problem with what you are claiming above is that, in Matt.24:15, Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 regarding the setting up of the abomination as a future event. Therefore, the restoration of the temple could not be referring to restoring the temple after the Babylonian captivity. Neither has the temple which was destroyed in 70 AD been restored. But it will be once the church has been removed and that ruler, the antichrist initiates that last seven years by making that covenant with Israel.

Am I the only one who finds the above confusing?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hello iamsoandso,

The problem with what you are claiming above is that, in Matt.24:15, Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 regarding the setting up of the abomination as a future event. Therefore, the restoration of the temple could not be referring to restoring the temple after the Babylonian captivity. Neither has the temple which was destroyed in 70 AD been restored. But it will be once the church has been removed and that ruler, the antichrist initiates that last seven years by making that covenant with Israel.

did not know it was any temple. and it starts the 70 week period.. So what other temple could it be? has the 70 week not started yet?

I guess I am also confused as to what your trying to say.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes. He came to destroy temple worship indicated by the renting of the veil . The Holy of Holies lost it place to be used as a shadow, until the time of refomation .the refomation came .Reformations restore not rebuild.

What time period would you say it was restored to?

The rending or tearing of the veil that separated the people from the Holy of Holies, was God's way of saying, "now you have direct access to be through Christ." Where prior to that, only the high priest and that once a year, was able to enter the Holy of Holies. It has nothing to do with 70 sevens.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes. He came to destroy temple worship indicated by the renting of the veil . The Holy of Holies lost it place to be used as a shadow, until the time of refomation .the refomation came .Reformations restore not rebuild.

What time period would you say it was restored to?

what reformation are you talking about?

The only reformation spoken of is the reformation of the city of jerusalem.

Jesus did not destroy temple worship he fulfilled it. Yet as I already showed. God had not had a presence int he inner sanctum for years. If you look at mosaic law. If a high priest when in in sin, he was killed on the spot.. The high priest who entered the day jesus died shoudl have died many years before. because he never followed God.

 

[garee]

what reformation are you talking about?

The one spoken of. The one the unbelieving Jews deny occurred, that the time, had come. They are still waiting for God to come and destroy the gentiles..

It will not come again. No need to look at something that has no purpose other than making it into an idol.

Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the “time” of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

The spiritual meaning of that parable is hid from the unbelieving Jew.

What time period do you think it was restored to?

Jesus did not destroy temple worship he fulfilled it.

I agree he fulfilled it by fulfilling the shadows and types, with His person .The ceremonials laws served their purpose to be used as parables. The old testament saints in who Christ dwelt eternal were no different then us. The gospel preached through the cerimoinal law was just beforehand we look back at the same grace, afterward.

Receiving the “end of your faith”, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner “of time” the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:9

The glory has followed. The work is finished.

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

The time of reformation has come. What time period do you think it was restored to?

 

[iamsoandso]

His people Israel are not deceivers. And I would caution you regarding this when God told Abraham, "those who bless you I will bless, but those who curse you I will curse." It was for the benefit for the rest of the world that Israel became enemy's so that God could have mercy on the rest of the peoples of the earth.

"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."

Israel will receive God's mercy during that during that last 3 1/2 years of the seventieth seven. For when that abomination is set up, the woman, Israel, will flee out into the desert where God will care for her for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years with Christ returning at the end.

"The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."

"The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach."

If you consider the matter as if you are an dispensationist then it would not be proper to apply things written to one group to another there are found in the book of Daniel that apply to "the whole earth" as in Daniel 2:39. They concern the whole earth,every tribe. Their rule is over every nation.

Then there are the things that concern only the ones denoted in Daniel 10:14 that concern the group referred to as "thy people". The 70 weeks and the 70 years only are spoken of them as "thy people" and the things that are described that effect the "thy people" denoted are what he is describing to Daniel as the events that will take place across the 70 weeks that begging at the time the the decree to restore Jerusalem and cover only this time period.

This is then sealed till the time of the end Daniel 12:9-13. In Matthew 24,Mark 13 and Luke 21 the same is still sealed and so the response to the disciples questions reflect this in the answer of Jesus in regards to the Abomination of Desolation Matthew 24:15. In Revelation 5:9-12 he opens the book with seven seals because he "was slain". So these things were not unsealed at the time he gave the discourse at Olivet they were not unsealed until after he was slain(crucified) buried,resurrected and ascended into heaven.

Now after the death burial and resurrection,after the sealed book is unsealed because he was slain Paul receives his revelations of the mysteries kept secret from the foundation Romans 16:25. And John also after the death burial and resurrection receives a similar revelation and mysteries are given, exp. Revelation 17:7,"tell thee the mystery".

So there are secret things that belong to God Deuteronomy 29:29 ,things that the angels desire to look into 1Peter 1:12/Daniel 10:21 that is the angel states that Michael could only hold with him on the matter so the others understood less. And Jesus also in Matthew 24:26 states that only the father new this and this Acts 1:7...

These things then were spoken Matthew 13:35,first the parables and then after he was slain he uttered the things kept secret from the foundation of the world. So there are the things the Lord spoke of before he was slain and those that were not known until after he was slain and opened the seven seals and they are the revelations revealed by the resurrected Lord to Paul the apostle to the gentiles, and the revelations revealed to the circumcision Galatians 2:7-8.

 

[garee]

The rending or tearing of the veil that separated the people from the Holy of Holies, was God's way of saying, "now you have direct access to be through Christ." Where prior to that, only the high priest and that once a year, was able to enter the Holy of Holies. It has nothing to do with 70 sevens.

The renting of the vail indicated Christ has come in the flesh . The Jews refuse to this day to believe the word of God..

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, "that is to say", his flesh;

1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the fleshis not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Another gospel ,another Christ.

Christ will come on the last day, the day of resurrection (2nd and final) the same day of Judgment. The same day the Sun and moon as time keepers, will vanish ,its the end of time . The same day as the last trump.

 

[iamsoandso]

Hello iamsoandso,

The problem with what you are claiming above is that, in Matt.24:15, Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 regarding the setting up of the abomination as a future event. Therefore, the restoration of the temple could not be referring to restoring the temple after the Babylonian captivity. Neither has the temple which was destroyed in 70 AD been restored. But it will be once the church has been removed and that ruler, the antichrist initiates that last seven years by making that covenant with Israel.

your missing the image of the beast that was,was not yet is,the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit Revelation 17:8, that is it is the eighth and is of the seven Revelation 17:11. It receives a deadly wound(ad70) and it is healed(1948) and it is in a place where it ought not be. When the one in Revelation 21:2 comes down from God out of heaven then there is one to many cities,one that man has set up on earth and the one from God.

In the city that man set up and builds a temple and sacrifices because they deny that the Lord has already come in the flesh they will receive the one that comes in his own name John 5:43 that is they will believe that he is the Messiah that they are waiting to come. After he is revealed he will turn on them and they will confess the king and say to him blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord Luke 19:38,Matthew 23:39,Luke 13:35...

So first they will build another city and temple. Then that one will come,they will receive him as their messiah,see their error confess Christ(behold the one they pierced) when he returns 1 Thessalonian 4;15-17, Paul says that that day will not come until after the man of sin is revealed 2 Thessalonian 2:3. Paul also said that this is at the last trump 1 Corinthians 15;51-52 so before this can happen they must first receive the one that comes in his own name .