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Preach it Brother!!

The church is the continuation of the true Israel. Paul illustrates this beautifully in the analogy of the cultivated olive tree in Romans 9. The root and trunk (the Abrahamic Covenant) of this tree never changed, the Jews (natural branches) who believed in Christ stayed on the trunk, the Jews (natural branches) who did not believe were cut off, no longer part of the Trunk the Abrahamic covenant. The gentiles who believe(d) are grafted into the trunk the Abrahamic Covenant are rewarded the promises of God. Read Galations 3. The Promise is to Abraham and His Seed (singular, the seed is Christ), not the natural descendants of Ahraham (but only those who had faith as Abraham).

Ahwatukee, are you a son of Abraham?
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. It's not a matter of studying more, in which you claim I and others of my persuasion need to do. It's a matter of understanding what you have studied.
 
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1. Daniel has nothing to do with your or my salvation.
2. Daniel has everything to do with His people (Israel) His city (Jerusalem, which was under gentile rule, and laid in ruins) and the temple (which lied desolate) (dan 9: 13-19 makes this very clear)
3. The 70 weeks concerned Daniel and his people only. Not you, Not I, not any gentile, and it states after the 70 weaks are over, Israel will have been done with her sin (repented)

If you think the fulfillment of daniel is in 63 to 70 ad. That is your right, But to me and many others it is clear, it was not, could not, and has not yet been fulfilled. And that is our right,, And for you to declare this is a salvation issue, and we are lost because of it, Well that says alot right there.

Daniel 9: 27 has absolutely NOTHING TO do with the smashing of jerusalem. That happened all the way back in 9:26, Dan 9: 27 occurs AFTER the destruction of the city and temple. AFTER the war desolation are determined, (which we are not given a time, or date of how long that will be)

Unlike you however. I will not judge you for thinking otherwise, I will just say I agree to disagree as a brother in Christ.
I didn't say that. You have simply run off at a tangent EG.

I feel that disputing with you helps no-one. It won't change your outlook, I don't think, and the discussions tend to muddy the waters.

I would rather you started your own threads, and politely asked me or any others to not contribute. I would be fine with that.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I didn't say that. You have simply run off at a tangent EG.

I feel that disputing with you helps no-one. It won't change your outlook, I don't think, and the discussions tend to muddy the waters.

I would rather you started your own threads, and politely asked me or any others to not contribute. I would be fine with that.

You would be fine if you would just discuss the word without your judgments and calling people names.

That is what got me.. I can have this discussion with many people. ( ask bookends, We have had this discussion, and agreed to disagree. even if we might discuss things we say with each other from time to time.

But when people start going off and judging people. and telling them they are not saved. (as you did myself and a few others awhile back) Then we have issues.

It is not you I am against, It is your attitude on this discussion. Same with Zone and KJV and others who have come before you.

You can not expect to have a PEACEFUL discussion when you do not promote PEACE by your very words.
 
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1. Daniel has nothing to do with your or my salvation.
2. Daniel has everything to do with His people (Israel) His city (Jerusalem, which was under gentile rule, and laid in ruins) and the temple (which lied desolate) (dan 9: 13-19 makes this very clear)
3. The 70 weeks concerned Daniel and his people only. Not you, Not I, not any gentile, and it states after the 70 weaks are over, Israel will have been done with her sin (repented)

If you think the fulfillment of daniel is in 63 to 70 ad. That is your right, But to me and many others it is clear, it was not, could not, and has not yet been fulfilled. And that is our right,, And for you to declare this is a salvation issue, and we are lost because of it, Well that says alot right there.

Daniel 9: 27 has absolutely NOTHING TO do with the smashing of jerusalem. That happened all the way back in 9:26, Dan 9: 27 occurs AFTER the destruction of the city and temple. AFTER the war desolation are determined, (which we are not given a time, or date of how long that will be)

Unlike you however. I will not judge you for thinking otherwise, I will just say I agree to disagree as a brother in Christ.
You have launched into me here EG, as all your comments are leading up to the fact "Unlike you however. I will not judge you for thinking otherwise" . You are the one throwing dirt here. It's a bit rum to then turn around and accuse me of being the problematic person here.
 
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1. Daniel has nothing to do with your or my salvation.
2. Daniel has everything to do with His people (Israel) His city (Jerusalem, which was under gentile rule, and laid in ruins) and the temple (which lied desolate) (dan 9: 13-19 makes this very clear)
3. The 70 weeks concerned Daniel and his people only. Not you, Not I, not any gentile, and it states after the 70 weaks are over, Israel will have been done with her sin (repented)

If you think the fulfillment of daniel is in 63 to 70 ad. That is your right, But to me and many others it is clear, it was not, could not, and has not yet been fulfilled. And that is our right,, And for you to declare this is a salvation issue, and we are lost because of it, Well that says alot right there.

Daniel 9: 27 has absolutely NOTHING TO do with the smashing of jerusalem. That happened all the way back in 9:26, Dan 9: 27 occurs AFTER the destruction of the city and temple. AFTER the war desolation are determined, (which we are not given a time, or date of how long that will be)

Unlike you however. I will not judge you for thinking otherwise, I will just say I agree to disagree as a brother in Christ.
You have a right to disagree sure.

But you have a duty. In fact several duties.

You have a duty to God. You have a duty to be faithful to his word. You have a duty to explain his word in a reasonable manner in season and out of season.

All rights are given by God. All duties come as standard with the cross.

Failure
to fulfil duties can result in rights being removed. Think about that.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have a right to disagree sure.

But you have a duty. In fact several duties.

You have a duty to God. You have a duty to be faithful to his word. You have a duty to explain his word in a reasonable manner in season and out of season.

All rights are given by God. All duties come as standard with the cross.

Failure
to fulfil duties can result in rights being removed. Think about that.

this is what I mean.

I take that duty serious. Especially when it comes to prophesy, Because prophesy is the most important tool God uses. IT proves to the WORLD he is the ONE true god.

If you disagree, that's fine, You have that right, But to say I do not take that duty serious. Well that's just WRONG!

And there you go again, Threatening my salvation. "all rights removed"

 
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eternally-gratefull

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When did I say you weren't saved?

a few weeks ago in another thread.

Why do you think I'm doing what I am doing, because we had a minor disagreement?
 

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Hello Bookends,Yes, I am very well aware that seventy sevens is what was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, as I have made that perfectly clear in all of my posts. But only sixty-nine of those seventy 'sevens' have so far been fulfilled.

7 sevens = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem

62 sevens = Messiah cut off

7 sevens + 62 sevens = 69 sevens

The 70th seven is yet to be fulfilled, which is what Daniel 9:27 is describing and which will be fulfilled with Christ returning to the earth to end the age at that end of that last seven years.
But what you declare is a contradiction. Paul states all things stated in 9:27 as fulfilled. Not only that, but Paul also states when Christ comes back He is going to hand His kingdom over to the Father, not take it up for a 1000 years in Jerusalem.

But that's ok, when it's said and done and we're in the eternal state I won't care who was right or wrong. Both of us, in our convictions, think we are right, only time will tell.
 
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[FONT=&quot]Colossians 3:4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.[/FONT]
 

Timeline

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No, It was the decree given to rebuild the city of jerusalem. Found in Nehemiah 2. which started the clock of the first 69 weeks. and terminated the week Jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey (messaih the prince is introduced to jerusalem as messiah just as Jeremiah prophesied...Zechariah 9:9
[ The Coming King ] “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.
I agree with what you are saying here...But I suppose this is where we part ways because...

John 2:18-21
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Jews then said to Him, “What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?” [SUP]19 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” [SUP]21 [/SUP]But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

and

Romans 9:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; [SUP]7 [/SUP]nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

of course there are many more verses, but I suppose this is a good place to start.