Losing battle

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Not sure if this is the right place for this. I don't know if I need encouragement, prayers, sympathy or vindication. My shame, embarrassment, and humiliation of my past prevent me from wanting to go on. I'm losing this battle. I can't measure up to anyone. Half the time I pray for happiness; otherwise I pray for an escape from the pain. I don't wish the pain I feel on anyone. Why do I have to feel this way?
****You don't have to "measure up" to anyone---following Christ means forgetting the stuff behind us----forget the pain, the shame, the lack---focus by faith that Christ is with you and will continue to "keep" you----commit yourself to follow Him---by faith---the feelings will come later...
 

Tinkerbell725

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Let your mind be renewed with God's word. The book of psalms is very encouraging during depressing times. Shift the focus from yourself to God.

Psalms 100:4-5 NASB

Enter His gates with thanksgiving And His courts with praise. Give thanks to Him, bless His name. For the L ord is good; His lovingkindness is everlasting And His faithfulness to all generations.

Psalms 146:1-2, 7-8 NASB

Praise the L ord ! Praise the L ord , O my soul! I will praise the L ord while I live; I will sing praises to my God while I have my being. Who executes justice for the oppressed;

Who gives food to the hungry. The L ord sets the prisoners free. The L ord opens the eyes of the blind; The L ord raises up those who are bowed down; The L ord loves the righteous;
 

Desertsrose

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Hi Febar

When we're born again, God pours out His love in our hearts through the Holy Spirit. (Romans 5:5).

And as far as the east is to the west, so He has removed our transgressions from us. He remembers them no more.

Psalm 103:11-14
For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him.
As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
Just as a father has compassion on his children,
So the Lord has compassion on those who fear Him.
For He Himself knows our frame;
He is mindful that we are but dust.

Corrie ten Boom said something that helped me and I thought it might help you too!

She said our sins have been thrown into the ocean of God's love. And God has placed a huge sign for all to read. NO FISHING ALLOWED!!!

Once our sins are dumped into the wide ocean of God's love, accept the forgiveness and stop fishing your sins back up.

You know, of all the people I've talked to, we all struggle with not feeling forgiven at times. We don't have to feel it, we have to know it. And once we know it, we'll begin to feel that love and forgiveness from God.

One thing you might like to try, is to find scriptures like Psalm 103. Begin to pray these scriptures out loud. And then begin to thank God for His forgiveness. It's very powerful when you do this. I would recommend trying it each morning when you wake up and again when you go to sleep at night.

I just prayed for you! I hope you sense His love moment by moment, each and every day.
 

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I wanted to share this with you, it is part of a psalm that comes to my mind often when I feel bad about the mean things I have done to hurt others Psalm 103 "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy. He will not always chide; neither will He keep His anger forever. He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the Heaven is high above the Earth, so great is His mercy toward them that fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us. Like as a Father pitieth His children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear Him. For He knoweth our frame; He remembereth that we are dust. But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting..."

I hope this helps. I will be praying for you.

Hi Galatea,

Sorry I repeated the same prayer in my post. I didn't mean to do a repeat. :). Great advice!
 
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I know He helps me in so many ways. He has blessed me many times over. And yet, I still feel this way. So if I apply logic than I conclude that I am supposed to feel this way. Probably as punishment for my past misdeeds. Now, it may also be that satan is making me feel this way. If that's the case and I resist his temptation, than maybe if he's busy f'n with me, he'll leave someone else alone. That at least gives me a purpose to my pain. But it doesn't lesson it. Does any of that make sense?
Your dilemma is in how you see yourself. You see yourself through the prism of sin and are reaping it's reward.

Your profile says you are christian. Ok,lets start from that really good news.

Now, we all have a mind,and we all have a sordid past. The human memory is a video documenting past events.

You are hitting "replay" of some shameful scene over and over and over.

I sometime get a "shudder" passing through me when I do what you are doing,knowing what I have done in the past is so horrible it is,in the natural,totally repairable.

Sooo,what do we do? Sit in defeat and shame?

No,we take action.

1) see yourself as forgiven. Make it a fact,not a feeling. Read the word ,as others have instructed,concerning this dynamic.
2) Get out of the emotional realm. This is where you are loosing. This is where you will continue to loose. Refuse defeat. Refuse shame. Kick it out. Never,ever,ever let that ounk and chicken and coward destroy you again.
3) see yourself as God sees you. FORGIVEN.

There are 2 kinds of shame.

One is where you transgress against yourself or man or even an animal in some shameful thing and they,it or the devil attaches shame to your MIND. Now you walk around with that THING strapped to your back.

The other,is shame we feel as we are in the presence of Holy God.

Both of these can be dealt with.

You need time in his presence. It is his presence that washes us. We are also washed by his word.

So,wash yourself,jettison that emotion and prism you see yourself through,get in his presence,worship him,and decapitate that sorry filthy demon.
Shame is an intruder. It is a punk and a coward. Kick it out.

Tell yourself " I will never,ever let that thing get me again"
 

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Not sure if this is the right place for this. I don't know if I need encouragement, prayers, sympathy or vindication. My shame, embarrassment, and humiliation of my past prevent me from wanting to go on. I'm losing this battle. I can't measure up to anyone. Half the time I pray for happiness; otherwise I pray for an escape from the pain. I don't wish the pain I feel on anyone. Why do I have to feel this way?
Your past is past, stop living it and stop dwelling on it. Your judging yourself and condemning yourself. You say its shame, embarrassment, and humiliation that prevent you from moving forward. That's just pride talking. You don't want to move on because you've screwed-up? Welcome to the human race, we've all screwed-up.

Sometimes the hardest person to forgive is yourself. You say you can't measure up to anyone? Don't measure your self-worth according to what others might think or say. The only person you need to answer to is Christ, and he's already forgiven you. Jesus is not your accuser, Satan is. "Where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." (John 8:10&11)

I've done things I regret, and I'd give anything to live those days over and make it right. But what's done is done, and living in anguish over the past plays right into our adversaries hands. Think how horrible Paul felt for persecuting Christians, Peter for denying Christ, and David for committing murder and adultery. Its fine to remember and learn from our mistakes, but condemning ourselves and giving up is exactly what the enemy of our souls wants. Don't surrender to those self-defeating feelings, they aren't from God, the guilt comes from another, so when you start convicting yourself, just say; Get thee behind me Satan
 
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All the counselors and doctors and medications I've been through couldnt erase the past. I've stopped believing things can get better.
What Ugly said... there aren't enough reallys in the world to cover how much I really really agree with him in both ways -- counseling and Jesus already knows and already forgave you.

Counselor.
Finding a good counselor though is like looking for a good chiropractor. They exist, but there is no indication of what type you'll get unless you do the research into what you need to ask questions before making the first appointment. (I pick chiropractors because hubby had a broken back, and years later got sciatica, so went to a chiropractor for the sciatica and ended up on the floor in the chiropractor's office after the idiot "adjusted" where he broke it back from quite a bit higher than the lumbar. Almost broke his back again. Then he did the research and found a chiropractor that was good, and healed his sciatica. That much difference in quality for any need in healthcare.)

I've had some terrible shrinks. I had a couple of good ones over the years. It sounds like you've seen quite a few.

First, are you aware you don't get better overnight? PTSD, dude! Not easy to get past that. It's a whopper! And considering the length of time you went through hell (I read your first post too), you really do have to get that it takes a couple to a few years to work through it all. I am fully aware there are more idiots counseling than there are good counselors counseling, so I can't help but wonder how much time you've given a good counselor, after wasting time with quite a few idiots. (Took me two years to find a good counselor. LOTS of idiots out there.)

And counseling itself? They're kind of like professional cleaners. If you've ever decided to thoroughly clean a single room in your house, you have to know it looks and feels worse before it starts shaping up to something good. Unfortunately, with cleaning a room, if the mess gets to you, you can always walk away. Not the same thing with counseling, since the mess is you, and you can't walk away from you. So, if it's feeling worse because you're getting to the heart of the matter, accept it feels worse for a time before it all starts shaping up again. It's worth the effort.

I can attest to it gets better though. The thing that motivated me to stop using drugs was I was raped. Between being a druggie and being raped, one can assume the rest of my life was one long train wreck. Well, in some ways it has been, BUT those two scars have been healed. And, I know it's "healed" vs. "in-between infections" because it's close to 40 years later and neither one causes me pain anymore.

But I'm not going to sugarcoat this and tell you I ended up with a normal American life either. I've chosen the user name Depleted because it rarely got easier and I have always needed God this much, because I really am depleted.

God.
You really do need counseling from a good counselor. You need God more. Some people can walk through crap and come up smelling like roses. You and I walk through crap and it smells crappy! There's a good reason for that. Sometimes life is crappy. And we're the kind of people who dive in head first.

But God knew us and chose us out of his love and mercy. Not because we smell like roses. And he knows we dive in head first, so he has to keep reminding us who to turn to when we're covered in crap -- him. As far as I can tell, God only has two lesson plans:
1. God loves me.
2. Trust God.

That's the point in life, to learn those two things. He just keeps giving the same lessons for each aspect of our lives until we get it, and then reinforces it by giving us more so we keep getting it. What we really have to get is let him take over us.

So, you think the answer is to erase the past? Not even. Without the past how do we know how far God has brought us? In your first divorce, did you think you could even make it through the next day? You did. God did that for you. He got you through the second too. As painful as all you've been through was, God was there helping you. He's still there. Now you know it a bit more than you did before, because you can look at that painful past.

Go to counseling and get help, and you won't always believe everything is always bad. God is, so it cannot always be bad.

Better? Well, that really depends on how you define better. If you are expecting the American Dream, that may not be God's plan for you. But if you wonder if God loves you and if you should trust him, then that does get better. One thing he keeps doing is prove himself to us so it is better. We may well be depleted, but he is complete! He gives us "complete."

When we finally start getting that just in small amounts, it does get better even if our day-to-day existence stays the same. (It doesn't, but sometimes it doesn't get easier either. "Doesn't get easier" just comes through in various ways, so at least it doesn't stay the same way. lol)

So, I repeat. Ugly gave you really good advice.
 
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You are all giving great advice and I am humbled by the amount of care and concern there is for me by you all. Thank you so very much. I had the American dream and lost it. The more I try to get it back, the more I keep screwing up. I am the only one to blame. Everyone around me is happy and doing well. Then there's me. That's the "measure up" part. I have no friends. No one wants to be around someone who's spiraling downward. If I was an alcoholic or a drug addict, at least my kids could attribute it to that. Instead, they just have to come to grips with the fact they're father is a loser.
I've been praying all night. Going back and forth between asking for help to get through the pain or just an end to the pain. I finally prayed for help to get through the day. It seems like the same thing day in and day out. I keep sticking it out and I keep hurting.
What I went though to get my ptsd is nothing compared to the grief I feel everyday because of who I am and the mistakes I made. Survivor guilt? You better believe it - but for the wrong reasons.
 
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Have you tried to just rest?

You sound exhausted.

Let go of trying to get the "American dream" back. Stop measuring yourself.

Just sit and listen to what God says instead of what is running through your mind. Good counselors should help with that, but only other Christians will point you away from yourself and your self image to God and what He sees you as.
 
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I have too many obligations to "just rest". Too many people count on me to do things. The Christian people I know are very judgemental of me. That's not a shot against Christianity - just a fact about the people I know. Which kinda makes me believe it's not them, it's me. I'm so screwed up, I must me judged and ostracized.
Counselors just want to put me on meds or have me locked away. More humiliation in my past with that. I'm not supposed to hate myself, but I do. I guess that makes me a failure as a Christian person. Maybe I don't even deserve to be on this site because of that.
 

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I have apologized to those people. No difference. I can't forgive myself because the feelings never go away. There's no moving on because my past has made me the person I am now. I am fubar. Things don't get better. Things don't get fixed.
i'm a firm believer in what we say is what we get. keep saying things like that only gives satan more power. Believe in what Jesus can do for you. It may not be in an instant, but if you keep thanking even when not seeing, things will get better. Its your choice.
 

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Yes. I pray. I pray for forgiveness. I pray for help to get through the day. I've done a lot of good things in my life. But I can't shake the bad things. The humiliation and shame and embarrassment never go away.
I get what you mean. You may or may not have done more embarrassing things than me, but the realisation that no one's opinion of me matters other than God, clears some of the belief in thinking that their opinions matter in judgement. Only God has the right to judge. What I try to do is not think about those past things as I am not in the past. I am in the now and what is in front of me? What can I do to improve my actions, thoughts, skills so God can use me. Idleness may or may not be an issue for you, but it is for me. So I try to do something even when idle. Watch TBN, try to help or get help on here, a little here. Go to church even if I don't want to. Do a project like now I'm chopping up a guitar and spraying it. But also looking up music and practice skills. Trying to find simple stuff to improve my strength like, sanding a guitar, washing up etc. All these things plus read the Bible on my phone. This gives little time to dwell on old issues. But I still do dwell, but not to such a depressing level that makes me suicidal like I used to be. Though not drinking helps me, it also separates me from "fun". Maybe you have skills that need polishing, before you forget them, maybe find some favourite Christian shows to watch like Jesse duplantis, the potters touch, or morning radio for a better morning mood and encouragement. Find events or church like activities. It's difficult for me as I'm in a tiny town, but you may have a bigger town. Find a new skill or hobby maybe. Pray and think of these things towards God. But a word about seeking help. You may or may not need paid help. But they will probably say similar things or give simple tricks. Though sometimes talking does help about past things to release hiding them. Knowing someone else knows. God bless you amen.
 
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You are all giving great advice and I am humbled by the amount of care and concern there is for me by you all. Thank you so very much. I had the American dream and lost it. The more I try to get it back, the more I keep screwing up. I am the only one to blame. Everyone around me is happy and doing well. Then there's me. That's the "measure up" part. I have no friends. No one wants to be around someone who's spiraling downward. If I was an alcoholic or a drug addict, at least my kids could attribute it to that. Instead, they just have to come to grips with the fact they're father is a loser.
I've been praying all night. Going back and forth between asking for help to get through the pain or just an end to the pain. I finally prayed for help to get through the day. It seems like the same thing day in and day out. I keep sticking it out and I keep hurting.
What I went though to get my ptsd is nothing compared to the grief I feel everyday because of who I am and the mistakes I made. Survivor guilt? You better believe it - but for the wrong reasons.
I was still in college when I was a druggie, so I didn't have the American Dream yet. Got that when I married hubby.

Two years later, he broke his back (not paralyzed, but he was laid up for several months and couldn't go back to his trade even when he could go back to work.) It took 14 months before we could get back on track.

And then we rebuilt up to the American Dream.

And then I became disabled. And then he became disabled. And, poof! No more American Dream. If the American Dream was the expected, it would be called "The American Normal." It's a dream. We had it. We lost it. It doesn't define us. God does.

Our disabilities actually became a blessing. Do you know the first thing you learn when you don't have anything to offer? Who your real friends are. If you've got nothing to offer people, then most people know they can't count on you for their needs and they disappear like roaches into a wall. True friends stick with you. A lot less of them, but since they're true friends, it's a lot more than we used to have.

Your kids are true friends. If you think they only come to you for what they can get out of you, that's on you. Not them. Do you judge them the same way you think they judge you? Because, honestly? You're 45 years old, so your kids haven't yet become successful or fully successful, (unless they're part of that freaky few, but, in which case, you're the man! You already know you did good. lol) Do you think they're losers because of that? Assuming not, why do you think they can't accept that you are simply their dad -- warts and all -- yet they still love you, even if they get frustrated with you, disagree with you, and roll their eyes?

Are you assuming your kids hate you simply because you do? Stop that! It's not fair to them or you.

If this is about losing the American Dream, look around. You're not the only one. Not by a long shot! So what? God has given us a very big universe to enjoy. Some of it is even free. Quite often I have to reinvent a new dream, but I've got the time to go for it, until it either gets replaced by something else or I die. Got the first one often enough. I'll get the second one eventually. Meanwhile, I enjoy dreaming and keep trying even if they are different than the classic American Dream.
 

JesusLives

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Keep your eyes on the Lord and since you can't glory in what you have done in the past Rejoice in what the Lord has done for you. Happiness and contentment are not a feeling they are both a choice. I love this little song as it always puts a smile on my face...

Rejoice in the Lord always and again I say, again I say Rejoice
Rejoice in the Lord always and again I say, again I say Rejoice
Rejoice in the Lord always and again I say, again I say Rejoice

Rejoice, Rejoice and again I say Rejoice
Rejoice, Rejoice and again I say Rejoice
 

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Take your eyes off of yourself and put them where they belong looking at Jesus and his wonderful life - the sinless one that He lived for all of us because you see once you gave your heart to God he doesn't look at your marred life of mistakes and sins anymore God sees Jesus perfect life because Jesus blood covers you and your sins. Plenty to rejoice about.

O soul are you weary and troubled?
No light in the darkness you see?
There's light for a look at the Savior,
And life more abundant and free:


Turn you eyes upon Jesus,
Look full in His wonderful face;
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace.


Through death into life everlasting
He passed, and we follow Him there;
Over us sin no more hath dominion
For more than conquerors we are!


Turn you eyes upon Jesus,
Look full in His wonderful face;
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace.


His word shall not fail you He promised;
Believe Him and all will be well.
Then go to a world that is dying,
His perfect salvation to tell!


Turn you eyes upon Jesus,
Look full in His wonderful face;
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace.
 
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Miri

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Even an awful past can be of value, we can't forget it but we can "learn" from it,
move on into the future determined not to repeat the same mistakes (if we have done
wrong) and use it as a stepping stone to grow character and use it to help others.

Its all to easy to just give up and say woo is me I'm an awful person, I've lived an awful life,
ive been badly done to etc. I honestly don't mean that to sound unsympathetic or condescending
so please don't think I mean it that way.

We really can't do anything about the past. Its a waste of energy and life if we keep living
in the past.

Make a decision to do something positive, seek out a good councillor and this time, make a
decision that you will use the counselling to learn and move on. Remember though that a
councillor can't remove your past, they can't help you if you are not willing to help yourself.

Write down a list of things you feel you need to do. If you need to say sorry to anyone send
them a letter and then leave it. It's up to the other person if they want to accept your apology or
not, but you have done your part.

If you have bad experiences, see if you can do some voluntary work to help others in similar
situations. I have a friend whose daughter was raped, now they do voluntary work with women.
I know a man who spent half his adult life in prison, now he helps with the rehabilitation of
young offenders.


If you need to learn new skills, etc. make a decision to look into this and find out where you
can go to do this. Learn how to cook a favourite restaurant dish, take up oil painting
classes or exercise classes. Learn how to swim. Doing new things is important in building a
new you and a new life.

The only way to climb a mountain is to keep moving upward one step at a time, if you stop half
way you will get stuck.

Seek out a good bible believing church. Make a decision to strengthen your relationship
with God.

It sounds like you have done a lot of laying down, now it's time to take up your mat and
walk. Even the paralysed man had to do his part in order to receive Jesus' healing.

Maybe that all sounds a bit tough, but I know from experience that wallowing in self
pity and dispair achieves nothing.
 
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Not sure if this is the right place for this. I don't know if I need encouragement, prayers, sympathy or vindication. My shame, embarrassment, and humiliation of my past prevent me from wanting to go on. I'm losing this battle. I can't measure up to anyone. Half the time I pray for happiness; otherwise I pray for an escape from the pain. I don't wish the pain I feel on anyone. Why do I have to feel this way?
When we repent of our sin, the Lord forgives us and we become people of integrity. A person of integrity has only honor. If you've repented of your sin, ignore those feelings of shame, embarrassment, and humiliation. They are unreal.
 
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Miri

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Ps you think you are a loser, God uses losers!
Are you really worse than all of these?


God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.
Did you know...
- Abraham was too old
- Sarah laughed at God’s promises.
- Moses stuttered and questioned God's judgment in picking him. He killed a man.
- David’s armor didn’t fit and was too young. He also killed a man & had an affair.
- Hosea’s wife was a prostitute.
- Amos’ only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.
- Jacob was a liar.
- Lazarus was dead.
- John was self-righteous.
- The Apostle Paul spent his life murdering Christians.
- Jeremiah was depressed & suicidal.
- Samson didn't wear a suit and had long hair.
- Noah got drunk.

Did I mention Moses had a short fuse?

http://mikelfrench.org/blog/flaws-of-famous-bible-characters/
 
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Ps you think you are a loser, God uses losers!
Are you really worse than all of these?


God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.
Did you know...
- Abraham was too old
- Sarah laughed at God’s promises.
- Moses stuttered and questioned God's judgment in picking him. He killed a man.
- David’s armor didn’t fit and was too young. He also killed a man & had an affair.
- Hosea’s wife was a prostitute.
- Amos’ only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.
- Jacob was a liar.
- Lazarus was dead.
- John was self-righteous.
- The Apostle Paul spent his life murdering Christians.
- Jeremiah was depressed & suicidal.
- Samson didn't wear a suit and had long hair.
- Noah got drunk.

Did I mention Moses had a short fuse?

http://mikelfrench.org/blog/flaws-of-famous-bible-characters/
And you forgot the mighty warrior God used to win a war -- Gideon. The guy hiding out to avoid fighting. The guy who had to "fleece" god several times to try to get out of serving God. The guy who picked out his army by how they drank from a river. And the guy who won the battle by making a lot of noise. lol
 
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I have too many obligations to "just rest". Too many people count on me to do things. The Christian people I know are very judgemental of me. That's not a shot against Christianity - just a fact about the people I know. Which kinda makes me believe it's not them, it's me. I'm so screwed up, I must me judged and ostracized.
Counselors just want to put me on meds or have me locked away. More humiliation in my past with that. I'm not supposed to hate myself, but I do. I guess that makes me a failure as a Christian person. Maybe I don't even deserve to be on this site because of that.
Humiliation is pride. Compared to God, what should we be proud about?

I read a Psalm today, that shows you what it is to go from humiliation to God. Psalm 77.

I was going to post it, but I think it helps me if you do a little leg work and find it yourself to read.