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It is a choice to accept God's love. He's not asking you to do anything bad. He is giving you a choice to live a good loving life here on earth and in the world to come.

I just can't see what the problem with that is.
It's your watered down and mushy version of Jesus and his universe.
 

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It's your watered down and mushy version of Jesus and his universe.
Nothing watered down. It's actually the strongest drink you could ever take. It's able to give life and those that drink it will never thirst again.


Now that's some powerful water, don't ya think:)
 

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It's not a choice about loving God is it, it's a choice to stay out of harm's way. I mean can you really love someone who'll punish you if you don't.

That's how it looks to me, I can't choose to love God while hell exists

DO YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND.

Sheeesh...
Because we are intrinsically imperfect, and with that imperfection comes the NATURAL decay and death, we ALL Will perish. But a perfect God loves us so much that even in our NATURAL SINFUL IMPERFECTION, He provided a solution to our NATURAL state. The ONLY solution. Him wrapping Himself in human flesh to take or pay for what Will be the NATURAL result of our fallen, imperfect, SINFUL position.

His mercy is NOT giving us what by nature we deserve. His Grave is giving us what we can't earn. That is true love friend.
Avail yourself and live!
 
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Nothing watered down. It's actually the strongest drink you could ever take. It's able to give life and those that drink it will never thirst again.


Now that's some powerful water, don't ya think:)
Even when I was a Christian you'd all still talk to me this way.

There's nothing wrong with me, I changed a hundred times for the sake of sound doctrine, but you all stayed the same.
 

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Even when I was a Christian you'd all still talk to me this way.

There's nothing wrong with me, I changed a hundred times for the sake of sound doctrine, but you all stayed the same.
You'll have to elaborate because I promise I really don't understand what you're saying there???
 

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Sure, why not. But just for you, because I like you.
Well since you responded yes then the real motivation would be to be with God and not because you like me.

Someone who would reply no they don't want a relationship with God would be miserable with the thought of living with Him for eternity, they would not develop a relationship with Him while living here on earth so it would be God letting them have what they decided.

You having friends love to be with the ones you have built a relationship with, and there are some that you would rather not be around and you probably avoid them and you make the choice either way. God just gives each person the choice they have decided on He will never force you into a relationship with Him. He loves you and has done everything He can to encourage you to build a relationship with Him and salvation is a gift you only have to accept the gift.
 
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You'll have to elaborate because I promise I really don't understand what you're saying there???
Change hurts if you're not use to it, but you need to change otherwise you just become a grandpa simpson.
 
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Can true love allow anyone to suffer in hell?
You have to understand what hell is. Hell is simply the consequences of sin. The Lord will allow us to suffer for a while. When we've had time to learn our lesson, he rescues us.
 
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Well since you responded yes then the real motivation would be to be with God and not because you like me.

Someone who would reply no they don't want a relationship with God would be miserable with the thought of living with Him for eternity, they would not develop a relationship with Him while living here on earth so it would be God letting them have what they decided.

You having friends love to be with the ones you have built a relationship with, and there are some that you would rather not be around and you probably avoid them and you make the choice either way. God just gives each person the choice they have decided on He will never force you into a relationship with Him. He loves you and has done everything He can to encourage you to build a relationship with Him and salvation is a gift you only have to accept the gift.
Great, I'm going to go shoot myself for bringing this up.
 

BrokenSparrow

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Change hurts if you're not use to it, but you need to change otherwise you just become a grandpa simpson.
Yes, I know. This whole life can hurt sometimes. Just living can become a task. I have been there and sometimes still feel that way. When I didn't have God in my life, it was worse because I didn't really have a person who I knew I could talk to that could help me and had my best interest at heart.

Life is hard. The only difference in a Christian and a sinner when it comes to pain and hurt, is that Christians have a living God to turn to that can help us to deal with whatever we are going through. He has a perfect plan for all us, even if we can't see it right now.
 

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Do you think eternal damnation is a fair consequence.
From a vengeful torture you in fire wreathing in pain - No I don't think it's fair. No I don't think someone who back in Adam and Eve's time who told a lie should have the bad luck of the draw that just because they were born then should have burned from that time until Hitler hit the scene and killed and tortured so many people and he has burned for less time. No I don't believe that's fair.

But someone who doesn't want to have anything to do with God who paid the price for our sins giving His own Son up to die in our place because of the love He had for us, who time after time as God was calling them to draw close to Him they turned and refused the love gift offered. They have chosen not to be with God.

I believe when someone dies that the breath of life God breathed into Adam at creation for him to become a living soul that our breath goes back to God at our death. That we have no more life in us that we sleep as Jesus said Lazarus was doing when he went to raise him from the dead. Jesus referred to death as a sleep many times.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.…

I don't know about you but when I sleep I am not aware of anything until I wake up the next day and resume life. I believe when we die it is like we sleep until the resurrection and Jesus calls us forth from the grave.

Then the sheep and goats will be separated (wicked and righteous) and the reward will be given at the end of time as we know it.. Righteous will live with God through eternity and the lake of fire will devour satan and his demons, the wicked who refused to accept the gift, sin and death will be thrown in the lake of fire. I believe as a fire once the fuel is burned up the fire goes out and it states in Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

So no I don't believe in a vengeful God I believe in a merciful God because the ones who don't want to be with God here on this earth would be miserable if they had to live with Him in eternity. This is their choice not God's because God wants everyone to accept salvation.
 
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Can true love allow anyone to suffer in hell?
I'm well aware you are here to play games, PD, but this is for those who know what God has done for us. What "true love" has done, and what we do because of that.

It's from a devotional by Charles Spurgeon:
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Morning


“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors.”
- Rom. 8:12


As God’s creatures, we are all debtors to him: to obey him with all our body, and soul, and strength. Having broken his commandments, as we all have, we are debtors to his justice, and we owe to him a vast amount which we are not able to pay. But of the Christian it can be said that he does not owe God’s justice anything, for Christ has paid the debt his people owed; for this reason the believer owes the more to love. I am a debtor to God’s grace and forgiving mercy; but I am no debtor to his justice, for he will never accuse me of a debt already paid. Christ said, “It is finished!” and by that he meant, that whatever his people owed was wiped away for ever from the book of remembrance. Christ, to the uttermost, has satisfied divine justice; the account is settled; the handwriting is nailed to the cross; the receipt is given, and we are debtors to God’s justice no longer. But then, because we are not debtors to our Lord in that sense, we become ten times more debtors to God than we should have been otherwise. Christian, pause and ponder for a moment. What a debtor thou art to divine sovereignty! How much thou owest to his disinterested love, for he gave his own Son that he might die for thee. Consider how much you owe to his forgiving grace, that after ten thousand affronts he loves you as infinitely as ever. Consider what you owe to his power; how he has raised you from your death in sin; how he has preserved your spiritual life; how he has kept you from falling; and how, though a thousand enemies have beset your path, you have been able to hold on your way. Consider what you owe to his immutability. Though you have changed a thousand times, he has not changed once. Thou art as deep in debt as thou canst be to every attribute of God. To God thou owest thyself, and all thou hast-yield thyself as a living sacrifice, it is but thy reasonable service.
 
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Skipping the story that happened before this moment, one of my brothers had his rifle pointed out his window waiting for the sheriff to come and try to take his house.

Should I have "truly loved" him or save the sheriff? (In my mind, that's not an either/or, but you have a strange mind.)
BTW, PD. I do notice how you just skip stuff to keep playing your games.
 
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Even when I was a Christian you'd all still talk to me this way.

There's nothing wrong with me, I changed a hundred times for the sake of sound doctrine, but you all stayed the same.
You know the gospel.

There is a dilemma which is what is evil and what is holiness in Christ.
It is possible to end up chasing insecurity to be sure you know you are safe,
rather than understanding what the cross means deep in your heart.

Without this it is just religion, a way to mitigate the fear of hell and death.
One can imagine you know God, like knowing a formula to a puzzle, while
God is simple saying, "Know me"

It sounds to me, this is something that has passed you by.
Now I know many believers who are playing the role and want it desperately to
be true, but deep down feel it is just a game.

This is where faith becomes reality, when love and God break in, and you are found
at rest, resolved, cleansed, pure and holy.

How anyone defines this place is personal, and even Peter after walking with Jesus
for 3 years was still not quite there. This is a lifetime quest, where like a marriage it
is a relationship, with sharing and fellowship, listening and action.
 
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You have to understand what hell is. Hell is simply the consequences of sin. The Lord will allow us to suffer for a while. When we've had time to learn our lesson, he rescues us.
From.....Hell? :confused: