The Revelation 12 Sign/ NASA 2020 Project

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Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

The twelve tribes of Israel.

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The child Christ Jesus.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Seven heads 1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4.Medo-Persia 5.Greece 6.The Roman Empire 7.The world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,which they shall devour the earth,tread upon it,and break it in pieces.The 10 horns is the 7th king who has the physical dominion.The crowns are on the heads which means Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving people by way of those 7 kingdoms.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Lucifer when he led the rebellion in heaven.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The child Christ Jesus who will rule for 1000 years on earth.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The man of sin will make a covenant with Israel and the Palestinians that will bring peace to the middle east,so Israel is protected for three and one half years,and the man of sin will work in the world preparing them for the beast kingdom to come by pushing the occult,and the harnessing of nature for power,spiritual evolution,which will be what the unified religious system will be about,all are valid for spiritual evolution,with a false interpretation of the Bible and the time the world will not accept the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,personal power through nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher,and an Ascended Master,and Avatar.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

During the three and one half years the 6th trumpet sounds and is a war of a 200,000,000 men army that is so devastating that one third of the world dies,because nuclear weapons are thrown,and the ten horn kingdom has failed at providing peace for the world,and they turn to the man of sin for the solution.

After the 6th trumpet they do not turn to God,so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them,and war breaks out in heaven and the devils are cast to earth,and Satan appears as the beast to deceive all those who do not love God,which the world becomes the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird,and the earth becomes the devils holding cell.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The beast has power to rule for three and one half years,but the nation of Israel is protected for that time,for God has a plan to restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews,but the beast makes war against all who hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The crowns are on the horns which means Satan in the physical realm deceiving people,for the ten horns hand their power over to the beast,and is the physical dominion of the beast.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Daniel 7,the ten horns have the dominion,which the 10 horns come from the Roman Empire who do not have their dominion taken down until God puts them down,with the ways of the lion,Babylon-human religion,the bear,Medo-Persia-physical cruelty,the leopard,Greece-human wisdom,for it is the kingdom of man in its entirety with no input from God.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The 7th head,the ten horn kingdom failed at providing peace,and that the 6th trumpet left the world without hope of having peace on earth,but the man of sin restored hope,who has been pushing the occult,and the harnessing of nature for power,which will convince the world he harnessed the power of nature and obtained power,and the false prophet will do miracles in the sight of the world to convince the world that the beast did receive power through nature,and the world says who can make war with him with power like that,for he can establish his kingdom and no foe can stop him,and he can share this power with all who follows him and they can achieve power,something they have been seeking for all along.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

He will make war against all who claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,and when he has accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,then the resurrection will happen,which the Bible says the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,the unified religious system that says all are valid,and a false interpretation of Christianity,where they do not want to hear the truth of the Bible during that time,and the man of sin steps in to the temple of God,and claims to be God.
 

Ahwatukee

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I'm not going to argue with you "Awatukee". What does that mean anyways?
I don't want to argue either GeorgieDog, I just want to make the truth known, which is what I have been trying to tell you. God's word tells us who the woman of Revelation 12 is without going to YouTube to find that out. I am not against you, but I am just trying to help you understand that what you are claiming is not how Revelation 12 is representing or how it is going to be fulfilled.

Regarding "Ahwatukee" that is where I live in Arizona. It is a township of Phoenix which is located on the south side of south mountain. Do a google on Ahwatukee and it should give you some information.
 
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I used to have family in Phoenix. The years go by so fast.

I understand where your coming from, I will readily admit that my hypothesis is for the most part relatively new. But the belief that the woman is the Church or the United States has been around for a long time. I've just uncovered more things to consider.

I do stand by my research although.

The YouTube Video is only to show star maps which reveal the movement of the stars on a particular date.

This Sign fits just right into my prophetic analysis.

It is definately a sign in the heavens.

I will say that without ever having strong conclusion on anyside, the matter of the woman has always and will remain a mystery.

The Bible says that you will know prophecy only if it comes to pass.

It also says not to weigh a matter before it's time.
 
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Strange how the lord led me to post my concerns about being led via internet to the understanding of God's word which ended quickly in limbo with very few responses.
Now we have this account. How far off were my concerns?
Not waving my flag here but then again....:rolleyes:
 
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You have to be mature to allow the Lord to help you discern the truth, but you don't need to shut out the world completely.

I am a researcher who has found many valuable and useful information online. But I will add that I also follow up on things that I believe God has shown me.

For instance the events taking place in the world regarding prophecy are found through the circulation of knowledge throughout time and space, and everything in between.

As an investigative researcher, you never no what you will find, great or small.

I will say that going onto the Internet to find anything useful, can be like searching a swamp to find a diamond.

Very poluted.
 

posthuman

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I'm not going to argue with you "Awatukee". What does that mean anyways?

Ahwatukee is a village in Phoenix, AZ.

it's commonly said that it is named for "
house of dreams" in the Crow Indian language, as when it was first settled there was a manor named by this phrase in Spanish, but the actual Crow words for this do not sound anything like "ahwatukee"

per Wiki, it is more likely that this is an Anglicization of the Crow phrase for "
land on the other side of the hill"
 
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Makes sense because your medicine men were elders who were "over the hill" and dreamed dreams.
 

posthuman

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Makes sense because your medicine men were elders who were "over the hill" and dreamed dreams.

whose medicine men?

the original builders of the manor called it '
casa de sueños' because they were building a home for themselves, that they had dreamed of doing one day.

they died soon after building the house. a woman from Wyoming -- where Crow actually live ((Phoenix had never been their land)), may have called it by a name, from an Indian language she had been exposed to, for '
land in the next valley' because she herself had traveled over land to arrive there.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
say,
as long as you're into giving reasonable names for things,
care to inform why you think a NASA project called "
Orion" ((you know, their actual plan for returning to the moon)) is rightly interpreted as "the Red Dragon" ?

((because i like hoops))
 
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If I understand your question right, NASA is planning on using the Orion Spacecraft for the moon, and the Red Dragon Spacecraft for Mars. That project could swallow the funding for the moon.

God's word is manifold with many layers of meaning. This is perhaps just one of them.

We'll see how all of this goes.
 

posthuman

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so you self-describe.

but then you don't research the name "Awhatukee" yourself, and when i do your research for you, you say:


Makes sense because your medicine men were elders who were "over the hill" and dreamed dreams.
which sounds more to me like you are taking agenda-driven potshots at things more than you are do actual reason & fact-driven investigative inquiry.

your view on Revelation 12 comes across to me in the same way.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
​honesty: the best policy
 

posthuman

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If I understand your question right, NASA is planning on using the Orion Spacecraft for the moon, and the Red Dragon Spacecraft for Mars. That project could swallow the funding for the moon.

the 'Dragon' capsule is SpaceX's development. the plan for sending one to Mars ((by 2018)) is nicknamed "red dragon" because, well, Mars is red.

SpaceX is privately funded - Elon Musk's company - NASA only provides technical advisement.
 

jerry2465

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[h=1]2 Timothy 4:3-4English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time is coming when people will not endure sound[SUP][a][/SUP] teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
 
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Whether NASA is aware of the prophecy, is unclear. It is focusing on contracting with private companies for space travel.

I made my interpretation of the other subject matter only on the data you first gave me, which was incomplete, though I thought my answer is worth more investigation. Rather good if you ask me.

"POSTHUMAN", Do your own research which I doubt your accustomed.
 
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Phoenix is an ancient indian location which history involves Superstition.
 

Bladerunner

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You have to be mature to allow the Lord to help you discern the truth, but you don't need to shut out the world completely.

I am a researcher who has found many valuable and useful information online. But I will add that I also follow up on things that I believe God has shown me.



As an investigative researcher, you never no what you will find, great or small.

I will say that going onto the Internet to find anything useful, can be like searching a swamp to find a diamond.

Very poluted.

what does all of this mean......You have to believe everything on the internet, It does not lie?

" For instance the events taking place in the world regarding prophecy are found through the circulation of knowledge throughout time and space, and everything in between. "
What does this mean..Prophecy is found in the Bible and has been 100% over thousands of prophecies. I bet you cannot find that anywhere on the internet
 

posthuman

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well, i don't think mixing up Spanish language and Crow with English as though they are the same and using it, making assumptions about the spiritual beliefs of strangers and the relative age hypothetical shamans, as though it is a heavenly sign, is "rather good" -- but you can self-describe all you like.

so nevermind that NASA does not in any way shape or form fund SpaceX, so the comment about funding being '
swallowed up' may be completely disregarded.
following your private interpretation, do you equate Christ with a mission to the moon?
seeing as how you equate the woman in Revelation 12 with American space exploration?
or more specifically, do you equate money that goes to funding such an endeavor with Christ, since this is specifically what you were saying is what 'the dragon' tries to swallow up?
 

posthuman

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eh

a SpaceX rocket carrying a 'dragon' cargo capsule failed back in 2015 after launch.

maybe this is what Christ meant when He said He saw Satan fall like lightning?

can we justify being this loose with interpreting scripture?

after all, there were planets and stars visible that night.