The up coming Gay revival what should we do ?
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Because pastors need to be convinced themselves that they shouldn't marry a couple. If they're just not doing it because a human is telling them not to, then they're deceiving their congregation into thinking their pastor believes one thing when he/she may believe the other. How can he/she teach the congregation about God's word if he/she hasn't first studied what the Bible says thoroughly and then concurred? True, his/her beliefs don't change God's word, but telling people God says this and not believing it oneself is hypocrisy. Everyone's a hypocrite in some respect, but teachers should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the things they say vs. the things they believe.
You're right. No one but God has the right to decide who marries one another. But ultimately, it doesn't matter what the state thinks. When people stand before God on Judgment Day a lot of couples will very likely be told they aren't truly married.
You're right. No one but God has the right to decide who marries one another. But ultimately, it doesn't matter what the state thinks. When people stand before God on Judgment Day a lot of couples will very likely be told they aren't truly married.
You have a right to your opinion, go hide and store away your goods in warehouses and wait away until your assumed doomsday rapture. I pray, we would stand strong in the day of martydom, of which the 1st century Christians did and eventualyl brought down the evil empire of Rome by peaceful means. Their home churches was not underground. btw.
I may be wrong but your point sounds like justification of a wrong or sin by pointing out another wrong or sin? God has made what HIS decisions is about marriage very Clear. it is between one man and one women found in Gen 2:24. And any Pastor who teaches other than the standard of God will answer to God and if HE teaches what the Bible says and does not Obey...... God will deal with that too. God is not Mocked.
Does this verse mean anything to you? If so, what?
Ephesians 6:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
I hear what your saying.....make no mistake....I am armed to the hilt myself....was just thinking of historically speaking and how during the dark ages small groups would march for hours to the middle of no where in knee deep snow just so they could sing a few psalms and hear the word.....The Churches of the Valleys of Piedmont or Foxes book of Martyrs come to mind....I will defend religious freedoms as well....but if push comes to shove....alive with a small group worshipping God in da woods if need be....is acceptable unto me.....so is putting enough lead in the air to walk on and or darken the sun.......! 
PS. in case if you're wondering, I'm a Trump supporter.
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You are wrong. Neither marrying them nor hypocrisy is justifiable and I never said either one was. But doing the right thing because one is forced to do so is meaningless. Ultimately, everyone needs to decide what he/she believes him/herself. Each pastor leads his/her congregation and the pastor should be led by God, not another human. Ergo, the pastor needs to study the word and pray. Yes, he will be judged if he leads the congregation astray; that's why the Bible says not many should be teachers. It's a huge responsibility. But if the pastor is just reciting what other people tell him to, then his words are meaningless.
That being said, I'd seriously question any pastor who came to the conclusion that marrying two people of the same sex is according to God's will. But I still think that pastors need to be in charge of thinking out the tough questions themselves instead of relying on another human to tell him/her what to do. To do so cheapens the responsibility that comes with being the head of a congregation.
However, I think we may need to agree to disagree in this case.
That being said, I'd seriously question any pastor who came to the conclusion that marrying two people of the same sex is according to God's will. But I still think that pastors need to be in charge of thinking out the tough questions themselves instead of relying on another human to tell him/her what to do. To do so cheapens the responsibility that comes with being the head of a congregation.
However, I think we may need to agree to disagree in this case.
thank you for,you response. I am not sure what you mean " one is forced to do so is meaningless". I do not need you to agree with me . The point the bible makes very clear a pastor doesn't have the right to change God word. the pastor in Charge that is to think out the hard questions should go the the Word of God and do in context to gay marriage as the bible teaches . it is not what God ordained or is the plan for man and women. ICHABOD is the name of that pastor
The state should still not endorse such wickedness. And churches definitely should not. Should pastors be allowed to kill people to test them to show that they believe in 'Thou shalt not kill'? Letting them murder people without prosecuting might expose some hypocrites, too, but they'd be doing a lot of damage in the process.
Update the houses of parliment declaration on same sex marriage..
The law has declared that same sex marriage is a civil act.. which means churches can opt in or opt out to allow same sex marriage.
That said why is the church of england being summoned to debate to allow same sex marriage makes no sence since theyve chosen to opt out. ????????????????
The law has declared that same sex marriage is a civil act.. which means churches can opt in or opt out to allow same sex marriage.
That said why is the church of england being summoned to debate to allow same sex marriage makes no sence since theyve chosen to opt out. ????????????????
I suppose the question now is does civil law same sex marriage make it ok for the people who made it law. ?
I mean the fact that the powers that be our houses of parliment made it a civil law does that make them unacountable to God for there actions.
Our new priminister terrisa may states she is a christian, does she have an obligation as a child of God to reverse this decision ?. I feel sorry for david cameron thats all i can say
I mean the fact that the powers that be our houses of parliment made it a civil law does that make them unacountable to God for there actions.
Our new priminister terrisa may states she is a christian, does she have an obligation as a child of God to reverse this decision ?. I feel sorry for david cameron thats all i can say
Just had a thought new parlimentry laws states where a vote of more than so many thousand people call for a debate (it has to be debated.
So my Guess is the gay community has made votes on the goverment website for a debate to take place to allow same sex marriage.
But hears the confusing part.
The new civil law states churches can opt in or opt out..
Now if they opt out surely no means no why should they even be called to debate..
So my Guess is the gay community has made votes on the goverment website for a debate to take place to allow same sex marriage.
But hears the confusing part.
The new civil law states churches can opt in or opt out..
Now if they opt out surely no means no why should they even be called to debate..
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I'm sure the law makers are very aware of what the bible says about same sex marriage.
I see no reason for the church to go underground (any reason). I am not ashamed of my Lord or his commandments rest assured if there is persecution over the matter if will not be quickly ended. But I pray it is ment by the Lord's will.
Judgment fell on Sodom not lot....keep that in mind. If we abide in him and he in us what would we have to fear?
Death? That's like having a bad day at work and the foreman sending you home early. With pay.
Showing love and not contempt is what we need to strive for. But if the gospel message is not excepted then they become enemies of God and the saints. That black and white enough for ya? We need to stop pussyfooting around and just like Jesus did draw the line in the sand.
I see no reason for the church to go underground (any reason). I am not ashamed of my Lord or his commandments rest assured if there is persecution over the matter if will not be quickly ended. But I pray it is ment by the Lord's will.
Judgment fell on Sodom not lot....keep that in mind. If we abide in him and he in us what would we have to fear?
Death? That's like having a bad day at work and the foreman sending you home early. With pay.
Showing love and not contempt is what we need to strive for. But if the gospel message is not excepted then they become enemies of God and the saints. That black and white enough for ya? We need to stop pussyfooting around and just like Jesus did draw the line in the sand.
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See here's the thing, gays are not looking to be married as hubby and wife. That's not on the table. To have certain insurances to include their partner they are required to be wed. Also it's a tax status of dependent that addresses the same issue. Now the hubby and wife thing comes from wanting equal rights, publicly showing their affection and the big out of the closet fad got them recognized as a minority which has special rights clause.
Think about it for a second, why would a gay couple knowing what God said about a sinful lifestyle persue to have God's blessing in marriage? Doesn't make sense does it? The attack on the church is a smokescreen, they could just as easily go to city hall or better yet get ordained on line and obtain a marriage license.
More to this than meets the eye.
Think about it for a second, why would a gay couple knowing what God said about a sinful lifestyle persue to have God's blessing in marriage? Doesn't make sense does it? The attack on the church is a smokescreen, they could just as easily go to city hall or better yet get ordained on line and obtain a marriage license.
More to this than meets the eye.
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It an attempt imo to put the church in the public eye, were the trouble makers don't ya know.
Just talked to my wife about this, (just throwing it out there) remember when Jesus went before Pilate and Pilate response was he was the Jews problem not his. The Jews responded back but he is worthy of death but we have no rights to that so it's up to Rome. Not saying it will go that far with this issue but it may be a start to point the finger at the troublemaker in secular society.
Just talked to my wife about this, (just throwing it out there) remember when Jesus went before Pilate and Pilate response was he was the Jews problem not his. The Jews responded back but he is worthy of death but we have no rights to that so it's up to Rome. Not saying it will go that far with this issue but it may be a start to point the finger at the troublemaker in secular society.