Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004
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You're right.
I think what is meant by
"If you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins."
is exactly what YOU have said but using different words.
Repent and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:15b
In other words, you must repent of your sins in order to receive salvation.
Turn from your sins:
I believe they mean: Learn to hate your sins.
Sometimes we're saying the same thing using different words.
I think this is one of those times.
I like to say that repentance is a turning around (changing one's mind).
One turns from walking toward satan,
turns around, repents
And walks toward God.
(the verb you're talking about --- seen in the mind's eye, makes it easier to understand)
I think what is meant by
"If you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins."
is exactly what YOU have said but using different words.
Repent and believe the gospel.
Mark 1:15b
In other words, you must repent of your sins in order to receive salvation.
Turn from your sins:
I believe they mean: Learn to hate your sins.
Sometimes we're saying the same thing using different words.
I think this is one of those times.
I like to say that repentance is a turning around (changing one's mind).
One turns from walking toward satan,
turns around, repents
And walks toward God.
(the verb you're talking about --- seen in the mind's eye, makes it easier to understand)
Stopping sinning is the goal. And we will not know on earth who has made it.
We do know being washed, purified and holy is the first step.
Love at work in us is also the key. Through communion with God we have arrived
in the Kingdom. Now do you not know this in your heart?
It appears that through the cross people have yet to experience this.
Start obeying and loving, walking in faith and bringing your issues to Christ.
You will find your heart changes, but you must exercise faith first.
We do know being washed, purified and holy is the first step.
Love at work in us is also the key. Through communion with God we have arrived
in the Kingdom. Now do you not know this in your heart?
It appears that through the cross people have yet to experience this.
Start obeying and loving, walking in faith and bringing your issues to Christ.
You will find your heart changes, but you must exercise faith first.
A closed heart.
How do you feel about your parents? Loving or in resentment?
How about your church, your friends, your wife, your work colleagues?
If there are issues here, you have a closed heart.
Open your heart to God and bring the pain to the foot of the cross.
Pray through the strengths and weaknesses of each individual and how you
can help them. You will then begin to understand love.
Forgive them. Hold nothing against them. See what blessing you can bring
Into those lives, if possible.
How do you feel about your parents? Loving or in resentment?
How about your church, your friends, your wife, your work colleagues?
If there are issues here, you have a closed heart.
Open your heart to God and bring the pain to the foot of the cross.
Pray through the strengths and weaknesses of each individual and how you
can help them. You will then begin to understand love.
Forgive them. Hold nothing against them. See what blessing you can bring
Into those lives, if possible.
Ezekiel 36:23-28
[FONT="]23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
It looks like all the things people think they have to do before they can be saved are actually the work of God. And therefore a gift just like salvation.
Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
If repentance is not a gift then neither is Salvation. If a clean heart is not a gift then neither is Salvation. If being free from sin is not a gift then neither is Salvation.
But they are gifts. They are the work of God.
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[FONT="]23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
It looks like all the things people think they have to do before they can be saved are actually the work of God. And therefore a gift just like salvation.
Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
If repentance is not a gift then neither is Salvation. If a clean heart is not a gift then neither is Salvation. If being free from sin is not a gift then neither is Salvation.
But they are gifts. They are the work of God.
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Repentance is definitely a gift from God. He grants ( gives ) it. Everything originates from God.
We are falling for the same deception that Eve did from the enemy. We can be like God without God. It's the way that brings death and we are eating then from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instead of the tree of life which is from Christ Himself.
Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
Notice that it was God that granted them repentance.
New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.
2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance and not a work we do or produce on our own.
We are falling for the same deception that Eve did from the enemy. We can be like God without God. It's the way that brings death and we are eating then from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instead of the tree of life which is from Christ Himself.
Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
Notice that it was God that granted them repentance.
New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.
2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance and not a work we do or produce on our own.
Repentance is mans response to realising they are sinners lost in sin and need God
to resolve the issues. The revelation of sin and need and knowing the solution is
a gift, but repentance is the response of the people.
Repentance
The sign of Jonah
Jonah swallowed by a whale, spat out with a message to Nineveh to repent because of their
evil behaviour or be judged.
Their response was to repent, wear sack cloth and ashes to show remorse and sorrow for
the sin they had commited and God forgave them and did not judge them.
And this is the sign of Christ to a fallen world.
"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:22
But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Ezek 18:21-22
But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Ezek 18:24
This is true repentance.
to resolve the issues. The revelation of sin and need and knowing the solution is
a gift, but repentance is the response of the people.
Repentance
The sign of Jonah
Jonah swallowed by a whale, spat out with a message to Nineveh to repent because of their
evil behaviour or be judged.
Their response was to repent, wear sack cloth and ashes to show remorse and sorrow for
the sin they had commited and God forgave them and did not judge them.
And this is the sign of Christ to a fallen world.
"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:22
But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Ezek 18:21-22
But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Ezek 18:24
This is true repentance.
I agree. It's a subtle deception because the reality is that once we trust in Christ's work - His grace empowers us to experience an exchanged life - to have now a hew heart - a new creation.
The illusion is that "we are doing the changing" but it is the Holy Spirit that transforms us as we behold the goodness of the Lord. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 ( we do participate in it as His life is being manifested in and through us )
We can't change our "beings" by an act of our own will.
If we would be changing our "beings" and "un-borning" ourselves somehow from God then we may not see Paul, James, John or any of the millions of brethren gone on before us. They may "change their belief" at any time according to our man-made way of thinking.
No, the truth is - we will be seeing them all because they "were born of God". It is God's doing that we are in Christ Jesus. Us men with our own humanistic natural thinking can err because we don't know the scriptures nor the power of God - just like Jesus said.
The illusion is that "we are doing the changing" but it is the Holy Spirit that transforms us as we behold the goodness of the Lord. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 ( we do participate in it as His life is being manifested in and through us )
We can't change our "beings" by an act of our own will.
If we would be changing our "beings" and "un-borning" ourselves somehow from God then we may not see Paul, James, John or any of the millions of brethren gone on before us. They may "change their belief" at any time according to our man-made way of thinking.
No, the truth is - we will be seeing them all because they "were born of God". It is God's doing that we are in Christ Jesus. Us men with our own humanistic natural thinking can err because we don't know the scriptures nor the power of God - just like Jesus said.
Are you a 5 point Calvinist?
Are you one of the elect?
That's the only way anything you've said makes any sense.
God's gift is the availability He has made possible from the beginning of the world to have your sin and sins forgiven through His sacrifice for you, His Son, The Christ.
I hope you know that before this, NO ONE was allowed into heaven,
See Luke 16. The Rich Man and Lazarus.
The rest is up to you.
Except the Holy Spirit guides us and helps us every day of our life
IF we accept Him.
Are you one of the elect?
That's the only way anything you've said makes any sense.
God's gift is the availability He has made possible from the beginning of the world to have your sin and sins forgiven through His sacrifice for you, His Son, The Christ.
I hope you know that before this, NO ONE was allowed into heaven,
See Luke 16. The Rich Man and Lazarus.
The rest is up to you.
Except the Holy Spirit guides us and helps us every day of our life
IF we accept Him.
The bible is clear....a birth cannot be changed by any circumstance.....creation even speaks to this....
Born of incorruptible seed.......glad my Jesus is not a weak, liar that does not keep his promises......HE said to those who have believed on him BIBLICALLY
I will NEVER leave you or FORSAKE YOU
I WILL finish what I started....
End of story....those who say you can lose salvation are calling JESUS a liar....good luck with that.....!
Born of incorruptible seed.......glad my Jesus is not a weak, liar that does not keep his promises......HE said to those who have believed on him BIBLICALLY
I will NEVER leave you or FORSAKE YOU
I WILL finish what I started....
End of story....those who say you can lose salvation are calling JESUS a liar....good luck with that.....!
I agree with all of the above.
Jesus wants a transformation.
It's the Holy Spirit whom He sent to be with us forever because He had to leave that causes this to happen.
Except this "unborning" idea that you have.
I hope you've read all my posts. All the IF's, all the IF YOU CONTINUE, all the FALLING AWAY's...
That's all I'll say.
Jesus wants a transformation.
It's the Holy Spirit whom He sent to be with us forever because He had to leave that causes this to happen.
Except this "unborning" idea that you have.
I hope you've read all my posts. All the IF's, all the IF YOU CONTINUE, all the FALLING AWAY's...
That's all I'll say.
The lie is saying there is deception occuring.
The attempt is to pollute and bring doubt in the believers mind as to the purity
and sincerity of their communion with Christ.
Be honest and straight with God from your heart, walk in His ways and He will
be straight and honest with you. Anything else is from the evil one.
A new creation in Christ who trusts God and His ways, does the will of God when
acting in love, so fulfilling the law and the prophets. Against such there is no
condemnation.
It is this simple, yet some would have you doubt the Holy Spirit and His leading,
bring condemnation and rebellion in your spirit, so bringing disobedience and unbelief
to your heart, empowering the works of the flesh and sin to dominate your soul.
The attempt is to pollute and bring doubt in the believers mind as to the purity
and sincerity of their communion with Christ.
Be honest and straight with God from your heart, walk in His ways and He will
be straight and honest with you. Anything else is from the evil one.
A new creation in Christ who trusts God and His ways, does the will of God when
acting in love, so fulfilling the law and the prophets. Against such there is no
condemnation.
It is this simple, yet some would have you doubt the Holy Spirit and His leading,
bring condemnation and rebellion in your spirit, so bringing disobedience and unbelief
to your heart, empowering the works of the flesh and sin to dominate your soul.
You and Grace keep calling Jesus a liar.
I think this is really close to blasphemy.
How about quoting some scripture.
How about reading rebuttals.
NO. Easier to just keep on insulting those who don't agree with you.
JESUS NEVER WILL LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU.
WHO SAID HE WOULD???
I said YOU could leave HIM or FORSAKE him.
Try 2 Timothy 2:11-13 again.
Please do an exegesis on these three verses.
A serious one...NOT YOUR OPINION on what it means ---
But what it really means.
TRY IT.
(remember, the bible does not contradict itself, and verses 12 and 13 DO CONTRADICT THEMSELVES if YOUR OPINION is correct)
I think this is really close to blasphemy.
How about quoting some scripture.
How about reading rebuttals.
NO. Easier to just keep on insulting those who don't agree with you.
JESUS NEVER WILL LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU.
WHO SAID HE WOULD???
I said YOU could leave HIM or FORSAKE him.
Try 2 Timothy 2:11-13 again.
Please do an exegesis on these three verses.
A serious one...NOT YOUR OPINION on what it means ---
But what it really means.
TRY IT.
(remember, the bible does not contradict itself, and verses 12 and 13 DO CONTRADICT THEMSELVES if YOUR OPINION is correct)
We are saying that Jesus is NOT a liar when He said the Holy Spirit with be with you forever. John 14:16
God is not a man that He should lie...Num. 23:19
All the promises of God are Yes and Amen in Christ Jesus.
"And I will give them eternal life and they shall never perish." John 10:28
God is not a man that He should lie...Num. 23:19
All the promises of God are Yes and Amen in Christ Jesus.
"And I will give them eternal life and they shall never perish." John 10:28
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