some things from paul that many omit
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Jesus was born under the law and kept the law of Moses to redeem those that were under the law of Moses.
Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Now in the New Covenant - we have died to the law of Moses, been released from the law of Moses and are not under the law of Moses. It can't get any plainer than that.
Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Now in the New Covenant - we have died to the law of Moses, been released from the law of Moses and are not under the law of Moses. It can't get any plainer than that.
Jesus by fulfilling the law of Moses brought the law of Christ and the Holy Spirit,
so our communion with God could be complete.
It is not lawlessness, but love seeing fulfilment in the heart of the believer.
And because we have communion now with God, the law is written on our
hearts and we are taught through the word and the spirit.
Obviously a fair number still refuse both the spirit and the word, and go astray
so our communion with God could be complete.
It is not lawlessness, but love seeing fulfilment in the heart of the believer.
And because we have communion now with God, the law is written on our
hearts and we are taught through the word and the spirit.
Obviously a fair number still refuse both the spirit and the word, and go astray
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oh please spare me the Erwin Lucer, Billy Graham, Ray Comfort rethoric and great swelling words of emptyness, (the gospel is repent and obey)and awake unto righteousness, examine yourself and see if be in the faith, judgement is not slack but comes like a theif in the night, none is assured of a tomorrow.....
Taken, and left....You got it backwards as usual..All through the bible the one "left" is saved, amd the one taken is taken to destruction. Jesus said two workers etc. one taken, and one left.... the disciples asked Him were they were taken? He said where the vultures gather (the feast off devils)....The ones taken are gathered and burned (tares), the good that is left is brought into His barn and persevered..
Peter you are growing so much in truth it is evident the Lord is working in you in so many ways. I just wanted to encourage you bro, your words always feed my spirit always add good insight into things i need to consider and help me to keep focused on things i miss sometimes.
daniel 12:10 "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
God bless you
daniel 12:10 "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
God bless you
john 8:31-34 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and THE TRUTH shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
JOHN 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
romans 6:16-18 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but YE HAVE OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness."
JOHN 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
romans 6:16-18 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but YE HAVE OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness."
"the King James Bible that exposes ALL the works of iniquity so they can turn to Him for help in departing from all works of iniquity to be ready to go by Him to be received by the Bridegroom when He comes. "
amen, i have always used kjv, and niv. before i came here i had the thought that both were equally sending the same message. i took that position in a debate awhile back. i always refered back to kjv if something didnt sound right, but i discovered that niv is ever changing always being revised, so i have the same position regarding the kjv text now as you are saying here. i think if someone doesnt grasp the language an original 1981 niv is the best alternative, but Kjv is so much clearer in its wording and always i have believed it is the trustworthy standard. i rarely even open my 1981 niv anymore, though i do love it having studied alot in it when i was younger and couldnt grasp the language of what was being said, now though i always use kjv and it is the standard on my own belief.
so many translations really do say dofferent things when you closely examine the text. and probably in part have contributed to the many different ideas and arguments in the world today regarding the bibles text.
ill look into the vessels of dishonor and honor anf get back to you when im able. God bless you
amen, i have always used kjv, and niv. before i came here i had the thought that both were equally sending the same message. i took that position in a debate awhile back. i always refered back to kjv if something didnt sound right, but i discovered that niv is ever changing always being revised, so i have the same position regarding the kjv text now as you are saying here. i think if someone doesnt grasp the language an original 1981 niv is the best alternative, but Kjv is so much clearer in its wording and always i have believed it is the trustworthy standard. i rarely even open my 1981 niv anymore, though i do love it having studied alot in it when i was younger and couldnt grasp the language of what was being said, now though i always use kjv and it is the standard on my own belief.
so many translations really do say dofferent things when you closely examine the text. and probably in part have contributed to the many different ideas and arguments in the world today regarding the bibles text.
ill look into the vessels of dishonor and honor anf get back to you when im able. God bless you
A good test of your theology, is, when does sin stop being sin? Never.
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
Matt 13:41
Blessing comes when you do what is right. Judgement comes when you do what is evil.
For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.
2 Cor 8:21
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Phil 4:8
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
1 John 3:10
Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge.
Psalm 51:4
Evildoers do not understand what is right, but those who seek the Lord understand it fully.
Prov 28:5
Those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
John 5:29
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Rom 12:9
Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1:11
So simply doing evil is committing sin, awaiting judgement.
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
Matt 13:41
Blessing comes when you do what is right. Judgement comes when you do what is evil.
For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.
2 Cor 8:21
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Phil 4:8
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
1 John 3:10
Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge.
Psalm 51:4
Evildoers do not understand what is right, but those who seek the Lord understand it fully.
Prov 28:5
Those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
John 5:29
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Rom 12:9
Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1:11
So simply doing evil is committing sin, awaiting judgement.
Matthew 13:41 (NASB)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Stumbling blocks are those that say we need to do righteousness in order to be righteous. It is a self-righteousness/holiness D.I.Y humanistic mindset. There are deeds of righteousness but they are not our own righteousness - it is Christ's. Get this wrong and we create a religion which in effect denies the work of the cross and resurrection that our Lord did.
The whole earth and it's inhabitants are belonging to the kingdom of God. - including believers in Christ ( which Jesus calls wheat or sheep ) and the tares which are the unbelievers in Christ's work - these try to establish their own righteousness by "what they do or don't do". This is lawlessness and is indeed sin - it's the very same sin of Adam and Eve. Trying to be like God without God.
The law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Works-based salvationists mindsets operate from eating from the very same tree.
We are to eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself. This will result in His life of righteousness being manifested in our lives and it is a sweet smelling savour to our Father. He loves His Son and we are one with Him for all eternity.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Stumbling blocks are those that say we need to do righteousness in order to be righteous. It is a self-righteousness/holiness D.I.Y humanistic mindset. There are deeds of righteousness but they are not our own righteousness - it is Christ's. Get this wrong and we create a religion which in effect denies the work of the cross and resurrection that our Lord did.
The whole earth and it's inhabitants are belonging to the kingdom of God. - including believers in Christ ( which Jesus calls wheat or sheep ) and the tares which are the unbelievers in Christ's work - these try to establish their own righteousness by "what they do or don't do". This is lawlessness and is indeed sin - it's the very same sin of Adam and Eve. Trying to be like God without God.
The law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Works-based salvationists mindsets operate from eating from the very same tree.
We are to eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself. This will result in His life of righteousness being manifested in our lives and it is a sweet smelling savour to our Father. He loves His Son and we are one with Him for all eternity.
Is the law of Christ just Jesus living within us?
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 6:2
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
1 Cor 9:21
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
1 John 4:10
This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands.
1 John 5:2
Some regard this a merely becoming a legalist.
A legalist cannot love from their heart, they must know Christ and be transformed.
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Gal 6:2
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
1 Cor 9:21
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
1 John 4:10
This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands.
1 John 5:2
Some regard this a merely becoming a legalist.
A legalist cannot love from their heart, they must know Christ and be transformed.
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wow, I mean really? Wow..
Some people need to study.. For they do not understand what people they claim are his enemy believe.
News flash. When you want to defeat someone you claim is your enemy, You have t first get in their head, understand where they are coming from, and see what makes then do the things they do. Then you can get in front, and attack in a way which destroys your enemy,
If you instead, assume you think you know. Your attacks will fall by the wayside and your enemy will laugh art you..
Some people need to study.. For they do not understand what people they claim are his enemy believe.
News flash. When you want to defeat someone you claim is your enemy, You have t first get in their head, understand where they are coming from, and see what makes then do the things they do. Then you can get in front, and attack in a way which destroys your enemy,
If you instead, assume you think you know. Your attacks will fall by the wayside and your enemy will laugh art you..
Luke 6:46
"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
New Living Translation
"So why do you keep calling me 'Lord, Lord!' when you don't do what I say?
English Standard Version
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
Berean Study Bible
Why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' but not do what I say?
Berean Literal Bible
And why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I say?
New American Standard Bible
"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
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Here is a perfect example. Stephen THINKS Grace777 teaches it is ok to sin, and one does not need to walk in obedience. Since he thinks this, He sends a bomb Graces way, But it is off target by about 180 degrees, and does not do anything but maker a thud sound.
It is not going to accomplish anything, because Grace does not believe what he THINKS he believes, so all that's happens is in the grand scheme of things, Stephen gets laughed at.
It is not going to accomplish anything, because Grace does not believe what he THINKS he believes, so all that's happens is in the grand scheme of things, Stephen gets laughed at.
Luke 17:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] When He saw them, He said to them, "Go and show yourselves to the priests." And as they were going, they were cleansed.
Have we shown ourselves to the priest when we were healed as Jesus said to do above?
What about in order to obtain eternal life - is it in the keeping of the commandments of the law of Moses? ( Of which no one can really do )
Here Jesus gave the law of Moses to the one who thought he had done all the law but in reality he had not. Jesus spoke words of the Law to reveal your need for a Savior or spoke words of grace to those who knew they needed a Savior.
All the words of Jesus are relevant and "for" us to learn but not all of them are "to" us.
Mark 10:17-19 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
The gospel after the cross says this.
Acts 16:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The truth is all scripture needs to be filtered through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection. To try to obtain life without Christ's work is lawlessness.
If we don't rightly divide the scriptures in the light of what Christ has done on the cross and resurrection - we end up mixing the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and we lose the purpose of them both as we water them done and make the word of God of none effect - just like Jesus said.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] When He saw them, He said to them, "Go and show yourselves to the priests." And as they were going, they were cleansed.
Have we shown ourselves to the priest when we were healed as Jesus said to do above?
What about in order to obtain eternal life - is it in the keeping of the commandments of the law of Moses? ( Of which no one can really do )
Here Jesus gave the law of Moses to the one who thought he had done all the law but in reality he had not. Jesus spoke words of the Law to reveal your need for a Savior or spoke words of grace to those who knew they needed a Savior.
All the words of Jesus are relevant and "for" us to learn but not all of them are "to" us.
Mark 10:17-19 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
The gospel after the cross says this.
Acts 16:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The truth is all scripture needs to be filtered through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection. To try to obtain life without Christ's work is lawlessness.
If we don't rightly divide the scriptures in the light of what Christ has done on the cross and resurrection - we end up mixing the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and we lose the purpose of them both as we water them done and make the word of God of none effect - just like Jesus said.
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