some things from paul that many omit
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If that's true you have absolutely nothing to worry about, for the readers would see that.
Both sides have to be viewed to make a proper decision, yes?
Somebody has to show the other side, because the majority doesn't want the readers know it does exist.
A belief system that NO ONE believes??
if anything, it would cause confusion, not understanding, and lead other people to bear false witness also.. We have enough of that around here would you not say?
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once again, People do not see what is happening.
People have ALWAYS said walking with God is not only important. but desired.. and would never tell someone they should not look to being obedient and living our your knew life in christ.
people have ALWAYS said that anyone who preaches we must do this to BE SAVED, OR STAY SAVED, are not preaching true obedience.
the legalist will always deny this is the case, Yet if one truly looks, that is exactly what is going on..
yet they will continue to attack and slander and say people are saying sin is ok, We do not have to walk in obedience, that repentance is not necessary, and we can live in sin all we want.
Which is not true..
but again, they can not see it.
People have ALWAYS said walking with God is not only important. but desired.. and would never tell someone they should not look to being obedient and living our your knew life in christ.
people have ALWAYS said that anyone who preaches we must do this to BE SAVED, OR STAY SAVED, are not preaching true obedience.
the legalist will always deny this is the case, Yet if one truly looks, that is exactly what is going on..
yet they will continue to attack and slander and say people are saying sin is ok, We do not have to walk in obedience, that repentance is not necessary, and we can live in sin all we want.
Which is not true..
but again, they can not see it.
If that's true you have absolutely nothing to worry about, for the readers would see that.
Both sides have to be viewed to make a proper decision, yes?
Somebody has to show the other side, because the majority doesn't want the readers know it does exist.
Its the legalists and sinless perfectionists that should be worried. But the blind are very rarely concerned with their blindness. They don't even know they can't see.
No one knows that they were blind until they are given sight. No one knows that their is a vail over their hearts and minds until it is removed.
There is no way to explain it to them. It is foolishness to them. Or as you like to say 'false doctrine'.
Is it possible that you don't know everything? Is it possible that you have not explored all the aspects of God?
Proverbs 14:12 [FONT="]There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
[/FONT]What's the way that seems right to a man? Legalism, right? Don't eat ham, rest on saturdays, be a 'good' person. It seems right. As most legalists like to say 'God doesn't change' right?
I've followed all the commands, I'm a good person. But the Lord says there is one thing you lack according to that carnal understanding, according to your own works and your own deduction. Namely you lack HIM.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of all our belief, all our Salvation, all of our Hope.
Didn't I abstain from ham and bacon? Didn't I rest on saturdays? Didn't I obey all your words?
2 Corinthians 3:6 [FONT="]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[/FONT]Do you see how 2 Corinthians 3:6 applies to Proverbs 14:12???
There is a logical anomaly here.
Imagine I say, you are not drowning if you breath air, but no one can breath air, and will
always drown. You can only be alive if you do not drown.
How dare you say we are saying you will always drown.
So either you walk righteously in obedience or you stay a sinner, but act as if you are not.
There are no other options.
One attempt to answer this was to say it was impossible to walk righteously, that is diluting
what righteousness is. Yet Paul says if we love our neighbour we are walking righteously,
fulfilling the law.
So if you now accept that loving your neighour is fulfilling the law as Paul says, then amen.
I cannot see another option. Now I know the arguments that came up in the past, but
are they now still there. I think not.
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
Imagine I say, you are not drowning if you breath air, but no one can breath air, and will
always drown. You can only be alive if you do not drown.
How dare you say we are saying you will always drown.
So either you walk righteously in obedience or you stay a sinner, but act as if you are not.
There are no other options.
One attempt to answer this was to say it was impossible to walk righteously, that is diluting
what righteousness is. Yet Paul says if we love our neighbour we are walking righteously,
fulfilling the law.
So if you now accept that loving your neighour is fulfilling the law as Paul says, then amen.
I cannot see another option. Now I know the arguments that came up in the past, but
are they now still there. I think not.
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
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You have got to be kidding?...it goes on here 24/7.....the bible declares many people to be righteous, you all say none can be righteous, then go on to impugn there characters...believe it or not that is arguing in favor of sin, In fact it is your forgone conclusion of the matter, whereas the forgone conclusion in scripture is righteousness...
God told Cain he could rule over that man of sin seeking to rise up in his members...you say its impossible..that's arguing in favour of sin
God told Cain he could rule over that man of sin seeking to rise up in his members...you say its impossible..that's arguing in favour of sin
Let us take the question the other way. If you are saying we can walk righteously in
Christ, filled with the Spirit and in communion with God, then Amen we are in agreement.
The next question is at what point this takes place and what defiles the believer.
If you say no this is impossible, then by definition you are saying sin is always dominant
in one form or another.
A negative or a positive affirmation is the same in a binary question.
You would argue it is irrelevant the state of the believer because they are counted as
righteous which in part is true.
This is the same issue Jesus dealt with. Either you are for Him or you are against Him.
Passivity is actually animosity. The reason being we are born in rebellion, a broken
communion, so therefore our natural state is animosity.
So either you believe in Christ we conquered sin, literally as part of our inheritence or
it is just imputed. I know there is a third option, the new spirit has conquered sin, but
the flesh is bound in sin, so we are a split personality. The Lord does not deal with split
personalities, which is why you sin, sent to hell.
Christ, filled with the Spirit and in communion with God, then Amen we are in agreement.
The next question is at what point this takes place and what defiles the believer.
If you say no this is impossible, then by definition you are saying sin is always dominant
in one form or another.
A negative or a positive affirmation is the same in a binary question.
You would argue it is irrelevant the state of the believer because they are counted as
righteous which in part is true.
This is the same issue Jesus dealt with. Either you are for Him or you are against Him.
Passivity is actually animosity. The reason being we are born in rebellion, a broken
communion, so therefore our natural state is animosity.
So either you believe in Christ we conquered sin, literally as part of our inheritence or
it is just imputed. I know there is a third option, the new spirit has conquered sin, but
the flesh is bound in sin, so we are a split personality. The Lord does not deal with split
personalities, which is why you sin, sent to hell.
Our belief has to be right as you are stating, because satan is working very hard to deceive as many as possible. Many are blind to that fact and ignore all of the warnings meant to keep us safe. They still see as in the days of horeb. They have yet to learn Gods Word is for us, not against it is life and not death. the deception caused our minds to turn against Gods word. if you look at what He said he makes it out like God is keeping something Good from adam and eve when he forbids the fruit be eaten. its actually like telling your kid " dont drink the poison or you will die". and then came the first false doctrine....Truth sets free. sorry for interupting you. Just wanted to share that thought along with the many good points you are making
If that's true you have absolutely nothing to worry about, for the readers would see that.
Both sides have to be viewed to make a proper decision, yes?
Somebody has to show the other side, because the majority doesn't want the readers know it does exist.
some are motivated by self promotion , some by financial gain, some want power. Those few out there who are simply giving the message " Go to Jesus, believe Him and follow where he leads" they are not popular, not always liked or well received, but Gods word has never been since Moses began speaking it to the people. they always complained and accused moses, then the prophets came and the people rejected and persecuted them, stoned them drove them away from thier cities, then Jesus came with the very Words of God Himself, and look how he was treated, and then the martyrdom of the apostles and the church after Jesus. the thing that causes that is Gods Word. because oit has always been repent of your sin, and follow my word.
Even moreso now because of the cost paid for us By Jesus on the cross.
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I may be wrong, but from reading you and a few others, ye believe that no one can be perfect and morally upright like we are called to be, and that no one is righteous not even Daniel. If this is your belief, and I think it is, it is contrary to scripture and arguing that no one can make a clean departure from the vile sins of the flesh in a season of godly sorrow in repentance.You think man MUST always sin until he gets his new body, Paul says differently.. From what you have stated, I think this is your foregone conclusion of the matter. This sir is arguing in favour of sin...I don't think you are even aware of it..
Always remember they will speak & do the opposite of the truth. They cannot receive truth. That's one of the ways we can see apostates. Once the truth is hidden from them, there's no way to persuade them.
Folks see strength in their numbers, thinking they're the side of the right. But their fruits will always give them away.
Those that can't see that are well on their way to being deceived.
We are here to persuade only those readers looking for truth.
Folks see strength in their numbers, thinking they're the side of the right. But their fruits will always give them away.
Those that can't see that are well on their way to being deceived.
We are here to persuade only those readers looking for truth.