Can you "hear" God? If you can, describe it.
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I will answer this because I think you mean me. First of all, the quote you gave is about adding to the book of Revelation, that John wrote. If you see me doing that then please show me where. Second, the Bible is just a collection of writings that has been put together to help Christians. They are inspired, but do you really think that people haven't been inspired since the first century?
About your fifth paragraph, I agree we all need Jesus. Find where I excluded Him and I will retract it. My entire premise of understanding is based on Christ's sacrifice, the Holy Spirit, and explaining Christ's teaching as He intended it. It is about Him but if you think it's not about us then I guess you think there was no point for Him to come then. He came to save us. That makes it very personal. We can't save ourselves but that doesn't mean we just read the Bible and think wow, what a great a story, now we get resurrected for eternity. We only get one shot at this temporal life, I'm not guessing. I want to know everything that there is to know. I'm in construction and do you know what I do when somebody tells me go ahead and cut this pipe, the water is turned off? I go check myself! He isn't the one cutting the pipe, I am. If I'm willing to take the extra time and go double check to prevent a little mistake, you better believe that I will spend every minute making sure I don't make one that effects me for eternity.
Exactly what part of anything that I wrote sounds deceptive? I'm not picking on you just responding, but this is exactly the attitude of body of believers. If something sounds weird it's wrong. Many left Christ because He said some pretty strange things. Every week pastors all over the world interpret scripture in a fashion that people can understand and relate to it. They aren't adding to it, just explaining. This is no different.
About your fifth paragraph, I agree we all need Jesus. Find where I excluded Him and I will retract it. My entire premise of understanding is based on Christ's sacrifice, the Holy Spirit, and explaining Christ's teaching as He intended it. It is about Him but if you think it's not about us then I guess you think there was no point for Him to come then. He came to save us. That makes it very personal. We can't save ourselves but that doesn't mean we just read the Bible and think wow, what a great a story, now we get resurrected for eternity. We only get one shot at this temporal life, I'm not guessing. I want to know everything that there is to know. I'm in construction and do you know what I do when somebody tells me go ahead and cut this pipe, the water is turned off? I go check myself! He isn't the one cutting the pipe, I am. If I'm willing to take the extra time and go double check to prevent a little mistake, you better believe that I will spend every minute making sure I don't make one that effects me for eternity.
Exactly what part of anything that I wrote sounds deceptive? I'm not picking on you just responding, but this is exactly the attitude of body of believers. If something sounds weird it's wrong. Many left Christ because He said some pretty strange things. Every week pastors all over the world interpret scripture in a fashion that people can understand and relate to it. They aren't adding to it, just explaining. This is no different.
Sorry i guess I skipped this page earlier. "passion for everything but God" auto correct.
"Restrain for this life" means like not having to indulge every pleasure continually. Just eat....not dine every meal. Enjoy the company of a spouse without hoping for sex every night, or for the ladies....a foot rub. I'm just teasing, I know women like sex too. It's just hardwired more into the ego of males I think.
"Restrain for this life" means like not having to indulge every pleasure continually. Just eat....not dine every meal. Enjoy the company of a spouse without hoping for sex every night, or for the ladies....a foot rub. I'm just teasing, I know women like sex too. It's just hardwired more into the ego of males I think.
God shows no favoritism. God communicates to His children through the written Word, and we communicate to Him through prayer. Jesus Himself said scripture was finished. There are no more revelations from God to be revealed, and no private interpretation of scriptures are given. Through scripture, prayer, and my conscience, God guides me. But I do not literally (physically) hear His voice. And trust me, I am a genuine Christian, well studied, and have grown much in Christ.
I was told by someone who studied for years in the school of biblical studies (college) that being in Bible class with me has revealed to them that I know more than what they've been taught. I'm not saying that to toot my own horn. Even Jesus, the humblest of all, when it was nessesary, said yes- He was the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Not to toot His own horn, but because it was the right thing in the right situation. And I'm telling you, I have studied many religions and how well they match the Bible, and I have a genuine personal relationship with God, and I know He does not speak directly with His children now like He did with Moses. God no longer has prophets to tell us what He says, because His Word to us is now complete.
I was told by someone who studied for years in the school of biblical studies (college) that being in Bible class with me has revealed to them that I know more than what they've been taught. I'm not saying that to toot my own horn. Even Jesus, the humblest of all, when it was nessesary, said yes- He was the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Not to toot His own horn, but because it was the right thing in the right situation. And I'm telling you, I have studied many religions and how well they match the Bible, and I have a genuine personal relationship with God, and I know He does not speak directly with His children now like He did with Moses. God no longer has prophets to tell us what He says, because His Word to us is now complete.
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I'm sorry I don't have time to search for an exact quote right now. When I do I will PM you if you want so you don't have to keep checking back. When Jesus is explaining that God is the Heavenly Father, it makes people less reverent, than they ought to be. I'm not saying He doesn't love us like a Father but people are way too casual about the Almighty.
Scriptures off of the top of my head that make me think that energy plays a role is two in agreement makes the Father listen more. Without faith of some people Christ couldn't heal. Miracles used to be more numerous and grand. Certain types of energy can cause us harm and certain energy cause us to heal. Even people who aren't Christian who are convinced that they will get better, beat the odds and others who suffer minor things who are negative remain sick. It's not just one thing, it's a big picture. Think about this and answer me if you don't mind; why do you think we were made? Why did God bother with any of it?
Scriptures off of the top of my head that make me think that energy plays a role is two in agreement makes the Father listen more. Without faith of some people Christ couldn't heal. Miracles used to be more numerous and grand. Certain types of energy can cause us harm and certain energy cause us to heal. Even people who aren't Christian who are convinced that they will get better, beat the odds and others who suffer minor things who are negative remain sick. It's not just one thing, it's a big picture. Think about this and answer me if you don't mind; why do you think we were made? Why did God bother with any of it?
1 Cor 12
Spiritual Gifts Bestowed1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: andthat no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.Many Members, One Body12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.14For the body is not one member, but many. 15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole bodywere an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
Jesus never said scripture was finished. The whole new testament was written after Christ. I agree, Yahweh has not spoken to anybody face to face as he did Moses, that I know of. Electricity comes into your house. The same power manifests itself in different appliances to produce different results. It causes some things to heat up and others to cool down. It can cause music to play and lights to shine. The appliances and fixtures all have power buttons on them which allow the electricity to flow into them. The Holy Spirit is everywhere and brings out different manifestations through us, all to serve and glorify God. We all are different and can choose whether or not this switch gets flipped in us or not. Now, just like the inventions in our homes, we are created. My point is that our bodies have built in functions that react with the Spirit of God. Why do you suppose Christ fasted and told the apostles that fasting helps get rid of some demons. He prayed early in the morning. Sure talking to God is a great way to start the day but our body and our minds are effected by food and glucose metabolism. What I'm telling people isn't a revelation, it's an experience. My original post was to find out if others had the same experience. I was a Christian for over a decade thinking I had it all figured out but dug deeper to discover more. It's in the Bible, we just don't focus on these things.
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Hungry- You are on track, there is so much more than receiving salvation and then resting there, and you are growing
as He would have you grow. He is looking for those who would be available to grow, to learn His ways.
We don't know if G-d only spoke to Abraham 5 times, we know that there were 5 times in our Bible that are laid out for us
to learn from. Job 33-14 tells us He speaks first one way, then another, though we don't perceive it. We need to learn to perceive Him in all the ways He speaks to us.
Bless you
as He would have you grow. He is looking for those who would be available to grow, to learn His ways.
We don't know if G-d only spoke to Abraham 5 times, we know that there were 5 times in our Bible that are laid out for us
to learn from. Job 33-14 tells us He speaks first one way, then another, though we don't perceive it. We need to learn to perceive Him in all the ways He speaks to us.
Bless you
It seems the Word says this in part at least when He teaches us not to be anxious for tomorrow b ecause tomorrow is anxious for itself, let the day's own problems be sufficient therein. There is no profit in adding to the present day's chellenges, be theyspiritual or everyday challenges of this age.
I have found that even challenges of this age are cared for by the Lord when we leave them to Him.
I have found that even challenges of this age are cared for by the Lord when we leave them to Him.
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I would reword it as being passionate for God and godly pursuits and losing a passion for anything that goes against God's will. The Bible describes it as tearing down strongholds that war against the knowledge of God.
2 Corinthians 10 v. 4
For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.
Perhaps instead of "for" you mean "from"?
To clarify, you mean that we should not indulge in excess of this life. I believe the Bible talks about the lists of the fleah, eyes and pride of life.
1 John 2:16 ►
New International Version
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
2 Corinthians 10 v. 4
For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.
Perhaps instead of "for" you mean "from"?
To clarify, you mean that we should not indulge in excess of this life. I believe the Bible talks about the lists of the fleah, eyes and pride of life.
1 John 2:16 ►
New International Version
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
Hungry-
Todays video from Andrew covers a lot of how to work in agreement with G-d and what He wants to do
in each of our lives.
Best wishes
This Week's TV Archives - Andrew Wommack Ministries
Todays video from Andrew covers a lot of how to work in agreement with G-d and what He wants to do
in each of our lives.
Best wishes
This Week's TV Archives - Andrew Wommack Ministries
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Something in this thread reminded me of our pastor's sermon from Sunday.
He has started the Lenten sermon series called "Boot camp for the soul". He mentioned that many people skip the 40 days of fasting and praying into the desert to the temptations of the devil. He made a point of asking that we imagine the spiritual power that accumulates if we prayed and faster for 40 days. He said the power wasn't just behind reciting words from the Bible. The power was found through prayer and fasting and aligning our hearts and mind with God and His Holy Spirit.
He has started the Lenten sermon series called "Boot camp for the soul". He mentioned that many people skip the 40 days of fasting and praying into the desert to the temptations of the devil. He made a point of asking that we imagine the spiritual power that accumulates if we prayed and faster for 40 days. He said the power wasn't just behind reciting words from the Bible. The power was found through prayer and fasting and aligning our hearts and mind with God and His Holy Spirit.
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I'm not feeling this reply hungry.
Is there a reason you cannot simply answer me without going dark? You are hinting at this and that but you are providing a verbal maze and I'm one of those people who just like straightforward answers.
I would have been surprised if you had just answered.
Kindly do not pm me.
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There are several portions of the bible, perhaps the whole thing, that require 'special' revelation before you can understand them. I put special in quotes because it really isn't special. Its just regular revelation. But regular revelation, in my estimation, is special.
2 Corinthians 3:6 [FONT="]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[/FONT]You can't understand this by reading the letter over and over. You can only understand this by the Spirit. Right?
Ephesians 2:8-9
[FONT="]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This is another one that requires revelation. You can't know it unless its been revealed to you. Its in the bible. Its 'common knowledge'. But people, even christians, don't get it.
2 Corinthians 3:14-15
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[FONT="]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
This is telling you, even by the letter, that you absolutely must have a revelation of Christ or you will just flat out not understand the bible.
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Maybe there is something to this 'special' revelation thing???[/FONT]
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2 Corinthians 3:6 [FONT="]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[/FONT]You can't understand this by reading the letter over and over. You can only understand this by the Spirit. Right?
Ephesians 2:8-9
[FONT="]8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This is another one that requires revelation. You can't know it unless its been revealed to you. Its in the bible. Its 'common knowledge'. But people, even christians, don't get it.
2 Corinthians 3:14-15
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[FONT="]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
This is telling you, even by the letter, that you absolutely must have a revelation of Christ or you will just flat out not understand the bible.
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Maybe there is something to this 'special' revelation thing???[/FONT]
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Desires are something God placed in Man as much as he placed two eyeballs in us. Desires are not a bad thing, unless they are corrupted. And sin did corrupt ours. BUT when God gave us new life he also gave us proper desires.
[h=1]Mark 12:30-31English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][FONT="]30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”[/FONT]
To stay neutral by not feeding desires makes you incomplete with God. There is no difference between that and what was other than resignation that you can't change yourself. You can't. But the other half is GOD CAN! You aren't your dog!
Honestly, I'm hearing the words of a man who has given up thinking there is anything apart from submitting mindlessly to the day-to-day grind, because you feel that's the best you get with God. Now you're just hoping it is enough if you can just accept that.
[h=1]Mark 12:30-31English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][FONT="]30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”[/FONT]
To stay neutral by not feeding desires makes you incomplete with God. There is no difference between that and what was other than resignation that you can't change yourself. You can't. But the other half is GOD CAN! You aren't your dog!
Honestly, I'm hearing the words of a man who has given up thinking there is anything apart from submitting mindlessly to the day-to-day grind, because you feel that's the best you get with God. Now you're just hoping it is enough if you can just accept that.