The False Science of the Evolution Theory

[Zmouth]

A question primarily for Trofimus, but for anyone who holds to long ages:

How do you account for soft tissue, blood cells, and DNA being found in dinosaur bones, when scientific experiments confirm that these things could not last millions of years?

Like Jesus said, if you can believe then all things are possible to him that believes.


Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained

Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained

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[followjesus]

1 Timothy 6:[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Science is about what can be observed and thus can be proven. Science also includes the theoritical, sometimes derived from what has been observed like the theory of gravity, but not always, like the theory of macroevolution which is basically what the theory of evolution is about which can never be observed and thus can never be proven.

This false science tries to steal a page from the Law of Biogenesis by citing microevolution from it and even go so far as to rewrite the law of Biogenesis as if it does not entail that life begets similar life at all so as to make macroevolution believable. The irony is that as this Law of Biogenesis disproves spontaneous generation, they blur that line of truth in science by waving a magic wand of millions of years as if spontaneous generation can happen outside the realm of observation and provability.

If you look all across the internet at evolution sites, universities, and online dictionaries, the definitions for micro evolution and macro evolution are not consistent as some will have it stand apart, and yet some will blur the lines and be one and the same.

Then you really see the theory of evolution for the false science that it is when Stephen Jay Gould developed the Theory of Punctual Equilibrium or "Rapid Macroevolution" because of the huge gaps in the fossil records for transitional fossils. He, and other leading evolutionary scientists today favor this theory and Gould had theorized that the explosion in the fossil records happened in around a specific period per the evolutionary timetable and declared that a global flood had to be the cause for tapping that capacity.

Wow. So close and yet so far, as they will never see the truth as long as they look at the evidence only according to the theorized evolutionary timetable.

As it is, all that you have heard about gradual macroevolution being a fact; that there was so much evidence for transitional fossils in the fossil records as hyped for the evolution theory to be true when it never was true; because that was why the Theory of Punctual Equilibrium was developed, because everything they had said about Gradual Macroevolution was never a fact, let alone observed, and thus never proven. And guess what? Neither is this new favored theory for macroevolution; Punctual Equilibrium. It is still in the realm of the theoritical. of the mind; which cannot be observed nor proven.

Hence a fairy tale running amok in science; as it always has been and always will be.

Yes... you will come across the ignorants & mockers in this false science that will tell you both are true while ignoring why Punctual Equilibrium was theorized so as to disprove gradual macroevolution.

No one can prove how old the earth is by science. They can only theorized.

We can prove how old the earth is by the Bible; as we trust the Lord to tell us the truth through the prophets as moved by the Holy Ghost.

Uncorrupted science agrees that what can be observed and proven is real science and since the evolution theory cannot be observed nor proven, then it is a false science and believers should heed Paul's words to Timothy not to heed false science or false knowledge, especially when it goes against the written word; His words as scripture.

2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

So believe His unchangeable words in the scripture over the ever changing words of false science in the evolution theory.

Hebrews 13:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

Do not listen to those that try to compromise His words for the false science that is the evolution theory. Believe Him.

May those that have gone astray, go before that throne of grace and listen to Him & His words to see the evolution theory for what it is; a false science.

it really to me seems as if the "false" applies to most every theory in the World, or "of" the world from science, to humanistic views of religion. and everything in between, even false prophets that use the true word of God to gather support as satan did way back in eden, by twisting and omitting things from it. If you look back through even recent History people Like Jim jones, david koresh, and even charles manson used bits of scripture and then twisted minds and led people astray. I believe that it is why Gods declaration of Jesus, "the way the truth and the Life" is the rock upon which we must stand firm.

as far as evolution goes, i dont think human science is able to comprehend that Our God is able to do a billion years of work in a week, and still have a full day to rest. what their minds calculate to take billions of years God can do in the time it takes to say " let there be..." no matter how many layers of rock exist or how many galaxies we see through telescopes, still he set the firmaments is place and spun the universe into motion with His Words. many scientists dismiss faith as silly, but they too have faith it is just in the abilities of thier ability to "prove" what happened a billion years ago......seems silly, and totally contrary to what they define as scientific evidence.

Good post

my favorite part

"Believe Him."<<<<< can never fail once that is accomplished with steadfastness

 

[BeyondET]

it really to me seems as if the "false" applies to most every theory in the World, or "of" the world from science, to humanistic views of religion. and everything in between, even false prophets that use the true word of God to gather support as satan did way back in eden, by twisting and omitting things from it. If you look back through even recent History people Like Jim jones, david koresh, and even charles manson used bits of scripture and then twisted minds and led people astray. I believe that it is why Gods declaration of Jesus, "the way the truth and the Life" is the rock upon which we must stand firm.

as far as evolution goes, i dont think human science is able to comprehend that Our God is able to do a billion years of work in a week, and still have a full day to rest. what their minds calculate to take billions of years God can do in the time it takes to say " let there be..." no matter how many layers of rock exist or how many galaxies we see through telescopes, still he set the firmaments is place and spun the universe into motion with His Words. many scientists dismiss faith as silly, but they too have faith it is just in the abilities of thier ability to "prove" what happened a billion years ago......seems silly, and totally contrary to what they define as scientific evidence.

Good post

my favorite part

"Believe Him."<<<<< can never fail once that is accomplished with steadfastness

I look at things in multiple ways, was it billions, was it a week or was it in one single breath surely not in breaths!
A million years is like a minute and a minute is like a millions years.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.

 

[HQ]

Everything evolves, planets, our souls, our bodies. Thats why I specified the evolution of bodies.

No, planets do not evolve (ie improve)...they change. Likewise our souls do not evolve (even though our attitudes, beliefs and feelings might).

 

[Jimbone]

With some specific theological view of Bible (day must be 24 day, the Universe is 6000 years old etc) it is probably not possible.

But such views are hold by a small minority of Christians, only... So there is no problem for the rest of us

Broad is the way to destruction and MANY enter it. It may be " no problem for the rest of us", that is unless you're wrong. If you are saved and believe this then good on you, but if you are teaching this and is causes someone to stumble, that's where it's dangerous. I do not personally believe in common descent, that is we all come from a single cell organism at all. I do not think any of the evidence supports that either. I also do not believe in deep time, I think the whole concept is built on faulty assumptions, the foundation is sand. Look I am not a scientist and do not have any letters behind my name, but what I can do is research the origins of these beliefs and conclusions that all this is built on. The fact is they had all these "millions and billions of years dates" laid out long before any kind of radiometric dating, and the whole thing is built on the "layers" concept and that the layers have dates. It doesn't make any logical sense to me off the bat because that is saying "for this many million year only Redwall Limestone was laid down, then for this many millions of years only Tapeats Sandstone was laid down. Logically why would it be layered that way if it was laid down over billions of years? Why would it not all just be random built up, all the same basic color, maybe slow shifts over time, or really fast one when something big may have happen.

To me personally all the deep time assumptions, and proofs that animals can generate highly specific instruction to built new and better abilities are lacking to say the least. To be honest all science shows, all we OBSERVE here on earth, is the degradation of the genetic code, new the addition of information there would have to be for life to grow, spring out new animals in every direction, and make every bit of the genetic code in every living thing, that we only observe degrading, and our best scientist in a lab can't get to "change" anything into anything else. To me personally the evidence supports the biblical world view FAR better than the "goo to you" theory.

 

[BeyondET]

Broad is the way to destruction and MANY enter it. It may be " no problem for the rest of us", that is unless you're wrong. If you are saved and believe this then good on you, but if you are teaching this and is causes someone to stumble, that's where it's dangerous. I do not personally believe in common descent, that is we all come from a single cell organism at all. I do not think any of the evidence supports that either. I also do not believe in deep time, I think the whole concept is built on faulty assumptions, the foundation is sand. Look I am not a scientist and do not have any letters behind my name, but what I can do is research the origins of these beliefs and conclusions that all this is built on. The fact is they had all these "millions and billions of years dates" laid out long before any kind of radiometric dating, and the whole thing is built on the "layers" concept and that the layers have dates. It doesn't make any logical sense to me off the bat because that is saying "for this many million year only Redwall Limestone was laid down, then for this many millions of years only Tapeats Sandstone was laid down. Logically why would it be layered that way if it was laid down over billions of years? Why would it not all just be random built up, all the same basic color, maybe slow shifts over time, or really fast one when something big may have happen.

To me personally all the deep time assumptions, and proofs that animals can generate highly specific instruction to built new and better abilities are lacking to say the least. To be honest all science shows, all we OBSERVE here on earth, is the degradation of the genetic code, new the addition of information there would have to be for life to grow, spring out new animals in every direction, and make every bit of the genetic code in every living thing, that we only observe degrading, and our best scientist in a lab can't get to "change" anything into anything else. To me personally the evidence supports the biblical world view FAR better than the "goo to you" theory.

This makes some sense to me until I get to the science thing, of coarse your house, your plumbing, your electricity, your car, your phone, your computer and a whole line of science that you believe in because you have such things do you not? yet can't grasp any thing else of the sciences is quite humorous you live by science that helps you daily To make your life comfortable and then pick and choose your belief in them.

should God take away these things?? since folks seem to think science is of evil, they shouldn't be tempted any longer by supporting such a grid of sciences in their lives.

Interesting how science is growing human ears and noses in a lab out of simple DNA material to help people who some have lost these to illnesses among other things. Of coarse God wouldn't support/inspire people to do such a thing would He?

 

[Jimbone]

This makes some sense to me until I get to the science thing, of coarse your house, your plumbing, your electricity, your car, your phone, your computer and a whole line of science that you believe in because you have such things do you not? yet can't grasp any thing else of the sciences is quite humorous you live by science that helps you daily To make your life comfortable and then pick and choose your belief in them.

should God take away these things?? since folks seem to think science is of evil, they shouldn't be tempted any longer by supporting such a grid of sciences in their lives.

Interesting how science is growing human ears and noses in a lab out of simple DNA material to help people who some have lost these to illnesses among other things. Of coarse God wouldn't support/inspire people to do such a thing would He?

I don't see how your comment follows at all. What is science? Does science say anything? Nope, science it numbers, observations, and data, science says NOTHING, scientist say things. Why on earth would I want an answer from someone that comes at the whole problem and filters every answer from a preconceived bias? They start at "Everything has to have a natural explanation", which is GREAT and I am very thankful that we have people that study the natural ordered creation to learn about the things that help people, but how does thinking they are pond scum evolved to a higher order help with that at all? Where I depart company is once we get into things that "true science" has nothing to say about. This philosophy of "Science Fiction" we have thrust on us as ultimate, irrefutable, Truth, has these super smart scholars believing everything came from nothing in a "bang" that created shear precision order everywhere we can see, from the universe down to the most "simple cell". I can't buy that, and I don't think any of the data provided here, or that I've ever been show really supports the accepted religion of today, Darwinism.

I don't hate science I just love truth and don't buy the paradigm I was indoctrinated from birth into now that Jesus opened my eye's. please I'm not saying that anyone who believe's different isn't saved, just sharing what I've come to see.

 

[trofimus]

A question primarily for Trofimus, but for anyone who holds to long ages:

How do you account for soft tissue, blood cells, and DNA being found in dinosaur bones, when scientific experiments confirm that these things could not last millions of years?

Sorry, I have not visited this thread since, so I did not notice your question.

Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained

 

[trofimus]

No, planets do not evolve (ie improve)...they change. Likewise our souls do not evolve (even though our attitudes, beliefs and feelings might).

In that case its just a definition issue. For me, everything what changes is evolving to something else. Universe or your body or whatever else.

 

[trofimus]

Broad is the way to destruction and MANY enter it. It may be " no problem for the rest of us", that is unless you're wrong. If you are saved and believe this then good on you, but if you are teaching this and is causes someone to stumble, that's where it's dangerous

Actually, the propagated idea that the Earth is 6000 years old is what is the main stumbling block for unbelievers today.

 

[BeyondET]

I don't see how your comment follows at all. What is science? Does science say anything? Nope, science it numbers, observations, and data, science says NOTHING, scientist say things. Why on earth would I want an answer from someone that comes at the whole problem and filters every answer from a preconceived bias? They start at "Everything has to have a natural explanation", which is GREAT and I am very thankful that we have people that study the natural ordered creation to learn about the things that help people, but how does thinking they are pond scum evolved to a higher order help with that at all? Where I depart company is once we get into things that "true science" has nothing to say about. This philosophy of "Science Fiction" we have thrust on us as ultimate, irrefutable, Truth, has these super smart scholars believing everything came from nothing in a "bang" that created shear precision order everywhere we can see, from the universe down to the most "simple cell". I can't buy that, and I don't think any of the data provided here, or that I've ever been show really supports the accepted religion of today, Darwinism.

I don't hate science I just love truth and don't buy the paradigm I was indoctrinated from birth into now that Jesus opened my eye's. please I'm not saying that anyone who believe's different isn't saved, just sharing what I've come to see.

Here yea, though God taught many of folks in the bible about science, Noah being one of them mechanical engineering. The proper setting of a boat keel isn't written in scripture yet we know the boat did float right?
You yourself was just a was pool of soup in a egg then a tadpole looking thing swam up stream and give you life and you yourself your own body evolve from a soup of nothing to a new born baby. and this process has been well documented.

looking at the early stages of your life you didn't look much different than any a bird a fish a rabbit.

 

[BeyondET]

Actually, the propagated idea that the Earth is 6000 years old is what is the main stumbling block for unbelievers today.

As well the 6000 year old earth in seven days is a major stumbling block for the believer today. Most can't reason with a billion old universe and sea coral to man as being a real process.

 

[trofimus]

As well the 6000 year old earth in seven days is a major stumbling block for the believer today. Most can't reason with a billion old universe and sea coral to man as being a real process.

I know that the young earth creationism is such a big issue practically in the USA only. Theistic evolution is what is the most hold view world-wide...

 

[BeyondET]

I know that the young earth creationism is such a big issue practically in the USA only. Theistic evolution is what is the most hold view world-wide...

Huh I didn't know that I've lived in the same place in the US for almost my whole life, so I'm not to knowledgeable on people's thoughts on this topic outside of the US.

 

[trofimus]

Huh I didn't know that I've lived in the same place in the US for almost my whole life, so I'm not to knowledgeable on people's thoughts on this topic outside of the US.

There are many fundamentalists in the USA.

But when you realize that the roman catholic church accepted theistic evolution, that most of the orthodox Christians accepts theistic evolution, anglicans, lutherans etc, then you can make your maths...

YEC is accepted mainly in small, independent churches. And those decentralized churches are main force in the USA, imho. Or the most loud? I do not know, you may know better.

 

[HQ]

In that case its just a definition issue. For me, everything what changes is evolving to something else. Universe or your body or whatever else.

But evolution isn't analogous to change. Change can be an improvement but can also be a turn for the worse. Evolution is continual, incremental improvement. The two are not the same.

 

[Jimbone]

Here yea, though God taught many of folks in the bible about science, Noah being one of them mechanical engineering. The proper setting of a boat keel isn't written in scripture yet we know the boat did float right?
You yourself was just a was pool of soup in a egg then a tadpole looking thing swam up stream and give you life and you yourself your own body evolve from a soup of nothing to a new born baby. and this process has been well documented.

looking at the early stages of your life you didn't look much different than any a bird a fish a rabbit.

I really can't understand why you're using a picture that debunks Haeckel drawings and exposes them as fraudulent as a evidence for embryology. The top ones are Haeckel original drawings, the bottom are actual pictures, you may disagree but I don't think they look anything alike at all and are definitely nothing like his fraudulent drawings on top.

What was your point again? Listen as long as you are truly saved then really this is small peanuts really, if it makes you feel better to believe everything the worlds "experts say", even though they come at all problems as if it can only have a natural explanation, which is fine and true with ALL true science. The thing is that when science starts trying to explain things outside of scientific study, like origins, or what happens over millions of years, things we can't observe, and in my opinion everything we do observe seems to contradict these scientific philosophies that say everything is on the upswing and getting better and more complex. How do we mesh the two? I mean no matter how you slice it, if we really have a common ancestor and that's how we got here, then death was here before sin, and that means the world was corrupt before Adam and Eve. If we can't believe that the why read a word past there?

That's just the way I've come to see it, but I am truly not trying to just bicker or act like you can't be saved if you don't believe the exact same as me. I do appreciate the conversation though.

 

[BeyondET]

There are many fundamentalists in the USA.

But when you realize that the roman catholic church accepted theistic evolution, that most of the orthodox Christians accepts theistic evolution, anglicans, lutherans etc, then you can make your maths...

YEC is accepted mainly in small, independent churches. And those decentralized churches are main force in the USA, imho. Or the most loud? I do not know, you may know better.

Well to be honest I don't really follow what churches in America say about creation. Ive been taught to look at things in scripture in a logical manner. For example the mentioning of 7 days of creation, I've looked beyond my own language because logically I know the English language wasn't around way back when and a lot of modern minds think like this that morning and evening is a period of only hours, morning is 4am to 10am and evening is 10pm to 4am roughly. not much different than how Jewish people use words. the word for day the Jewish people use today and along time ago is the word "Yom" which can be used in multible ways depending on context. I've come to my own conclusion that in the Genesis account it was a general statement not really set in stone to mean a 24 hour period. For man wasn't around when God made the universe to now exactly what that meant. scripture does a say a day can be like a thousand years, which tells me that a minute can be like a million years. as well as scripture says He created the universe from his breath singular not plural as in breaths. IMO I don't doubt it was seven days nor do I doubt He did all that in one breath nor do I doubt He did it in 14.4 billion. IMO God can be in any time at the same time.
God ls in the infinite realm why would He do anything so quickly there would be much more joy in creating life over a period of a Godzillion years well beyond the time frame us humans know. Our bases of time comes from the observation of the sun rise and set and the sun reflection on the moon as well as devises that measure light speed and distance among other things like even the flicker within a certain atom that being the atomic clock that it is built around, folks who lived many years ago wouldn't have known nothing about a atomic clock.

range of Yom
The range of Yom is well known. The word has five meanings:

i. a period of light in a day/night cycle;

ii. a period of 24 hours;

iii. a general or vague concept of time;

iv. a specific point of time; and

v. a period of a year.

By contrast, the English word ‘day’ has fourteen different definitions. There are many biblical occurrences of yôm: it appears a total of 2291 times with 1446 being in the singular (a slight majority, 729, appear with a preposition), and 845 in the plural (only 213 appear in a prepositional phrase).

 

[BeyondET]

I really can't understand why you're using a picture that debunks Haeckel drawings and exposes them as fraudulent as a evidence for embryology. The top ones are Haeckel original drawings, the bottom are actual pictures, you may disagree but I don't think they look anything alike at all and are definitely nothing like his fraudulent drawings on top.

What was your point again? Listen as long as you are truly saved then really this is small peanuts really, if it makes you feel better to believe everything the worlds "experts say", even though they come at all problems as if it can only have a natural explanation, which is fine and true with ALL true science. The thing is that when science starts trying to explain things outside of scientific study, like origins, or what happens over millions of years, things we can't observe, and in my opinion everything we do observe seems to contradict these scientific philosophies that say everything is on the upswing and getting better and more complex. How do we mesh the two? I mean no matter how you slice it, if we really have a common ancestor and that's how we got here, then death was here before sin, and that means the world was corrupt before Adam and Eve. If we can't believe that the why read a word past there?

That's just the way I've come to see it, but I am truly not trying to just bicker or act like you can't be saved if you don't believe the exact same as me. I do appreciate the conversation though.

Well I use that picture because you can go to some hospitals or a medical university and you can see these human,bird,fish, chicken, early embryos stages yourself and see what you look like in these development stages of humans go through during a 9 month period,,, a lot of mothers see this stuff when they are going through pregnancy.
i enjoyed our conversation as well, and by no means will I ever call anybody unsaved for not believing in what I believe

 

[trofimus]

But evolution isn't analogous to change. Change can be an improvement but can also be a turn for the worse. Evolution is continual, incremental improvement. The two are not the same.

How will you decide if any change is either improvement or not? You cannot know. Is smaller an improvement? Or is it when its bigger? Faster? Slower? More weight? Less weight?

Improvement is just a human point of view. Depends on circumstances.