The False Science of the Evolution Theory

[trofimus]

sorry the theory of evelotion is a direct contradiction of the Christian faith.

what preytell is [The evolution of bodies] ?

No, only atheistic evolution is a contradiction, because it is atheistic Evolution as such is only a description what happened/happens in nature. Like gravity or the theory of relativity. You can see God behind it or not.

Everything evolves, planets, our souls, our bodies. Thats why I specified the evolution of bodies.

An atheist can say "God does not exist, because we know that our planet orbits the sun because of the motion laws".
An Christian can say "God is the architect of those laws".

The same applies to evolution. The perspective is important.

 

[prove-all]

Did It All Start With a Big Bang?

Science has proven that the universe did not always exist. It had a beginning.
Just a few generations ago, general consensus was that the universe had no beginning
and no end—it just always was. Evolutionists found this convenient, as it contradicted
the biblical creation account.

Evidence began to refute this idea in the 1920s. Data showed that distant objects were
drifting away from our galaxy. Edwin Hubble, by measuring the wavelengths of light
coming from other galaxies, determined that the universe is expanding in all directions.

This discovery set the scientific world on fire. After all, if the universe is moving apart,
then at one time it must have been compressed in a single location. It must have had
a beginning.

The big bang theory was born.

The idea is that, somewhere between 10 and 15 billion years ago, the entire universe came
to exist suddenly, dramatically, in an infinitesimally brief moment. Theoretical physicist
Brian Greene describes the “inflationary” big bang model this way: “[T]he size of the
universe increased by a factor larger than a million trillion trillion in less than a millionth
of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second” (The Fabric of the Cosmos).

Scientists first rejected the big bang concept because it seemed too religious.
Its echoes of “in the beginning” bothered them. Why did it suddenly expand?

Going backward in time from the universe’s current expansion, they say it must have been
more and more compressed—that, in fact, at the start it must have existed within a single
point. This “singularity” is supposed to have been an infinitely small, infinitely hot, infinitely
dense something. Lemaître called it a “primeval atom.”


Now—if that is right, then where did this “cosmic seed” come from? Big bang theorists can’t
explain it. In fact, they don’t even try: The origin of matter is not part of the theory.

And there is another problem. In nature, things decay—they move from order toward disorder.
Greene says this natural law suggests that the universe in its infancy began “in an extraordinarily
special, highly ordered state of low entropy.” Extraordinarily special? Highly ordered?
Well then, how did it start out in such a state? Once again, science is silent.


Astronomers recognize that the term “big bang” is misleading. According to the theory, the initial
event wasn’t an explosion, but an orderly expansion—more like an inflating balloon. Dr. Hugh Ross explains, “The big bang is not a big ‘bang’ as most lay people would comprehend the term.

This expression conjures up images of bomb blasts or exploding dynamite. Such a ‘bang’ would
yield disorder and destruction. In truth, this ‘bang’ represents an immensely powerful yet carefully planned and controlled release of matter, energy, space and time within the strict confines of very carefully finely tuned physical constraints and laws which govern their behavior and interactions.
The power and care this explosion reveals exceeds human potential for design by multiple orders
of magnitude” (www.reasons.org).

Cosmologists are intently studying the beginning of time. They are staring at the sudden appearance
of energy, time and matter. They are recognizing unimaginable order and accuracy in the event.
They can perceive physical laws controlling it. And these potent and precise forces become more impressive the more they are scrutinized and the more we learn.

They are so complex, so incomprehensibly powerful, so potentially catastrophic, that an
infinitesimal variation in any one of a number of factors would have yielded a cataclysm
rather than the stunning cosmos that exists today.


How can astronomers accept the idea that an infinitely small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense
singularity simply appeared and then exploded in a precise cosmic expansion to produce the
entire universe—from the largest supernovas to the smallest subatomic particles, with all
their physical properties perfectly governed by laws of physics and chemistry

—all coming from nothing? It takes more faith to believe that than it does to believe in
an eternal, superintelligent, all-powerful God.


“The real big bang was a well-planned, deliberately executed act of creation!”
The creation of the universe was accomplished with a glorious display of light, heat,
matter and energy—a display that still reverberates throughout space .…”

 

[prove-all]

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. … By the word of the Lord
the heavens were made, and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. …
For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast”

When you study the biblical accounts of God creating the universe, the most common
description is that God “stretched out” or “spreads out” the heavens.

God “created the heavens, and stretched them out” (Isaiah 42:5). “He stretcheth out
the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7).

This is highly unusual terminology. What exactly does it mean? The phrase spreadeth out
comes from the Hebrew natah, which means to stretch or spread; it can mean to extend in
every direction. Scripture refers to the heavens in this way a total of 11 times, by the pen
of five different biblical writers: Job, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Zechariah.


Based on observable evidence, scientists believe there was an initial rapid stretching out
of cosmic material—and there has been an ongoing expansion ever since.
God’s revelation in Scripture seems to corroborate that view. Four verses (Isaiah 45:12;
48:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15) use a form of natah that literally means the action was
completed some time ago. Seven instances use a form of the verb natah that implies continual
or ongoing stretching (Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 51:13; Zechariah 12:1).

Both of these aspects of this stretching can be seen in Isaiah 40:22, which says that God
“stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.”

Stretches out comes from natah and implies something continuing today, while spreadeth
comes from the Hebrew mathach (this word’s only use in the Old Testament)—meaning
to stretch out and implying something that God has already done and completed.

Job 9:8 tells us that “[God] alone spreadeth out the heavens.” This is an ongoing process
for whichGod claims sole responsibility. Interestingly, scientists really don’t fully understand
the workings by which the universe is expanding. They do recognize that something is causing
it—but it is invisible and cannot be specifically measured. Only its effects can be measured.


“Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created. …
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names” (Psalm 148:4-5; 147:4).

Our Milky Way galaxy alone is estimated to have 200 billion stars. If we could count them
at a rate of about two stars a second, it would take 4,000 years without rest to complete the
count. This is only one galaxy among billions of galaxies in this universe.

God has every single star numbered and even named.

Scientists have absolutely no explanation of where the “primeval atom” came from that they
suppose existed before the big bang. Whether or not such an “atom” existed, God reveals
that the existence of spirit essence preceded His creation of physical matter.

There was a moment when God used that invisible spirit energy to bring into being matter that
didn’t exist before. “By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God,
so that what is seen [physical matter] was made out of things which do not appear” .

The physical universe is visible—we can see it and measure it. But it was made from
the invisible: things we cannot see and cannot measure.

 

[Zmouth]

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so

While that in no way answers the question regarding your doctrine of what constitutes living matter. In consideration of the fact that creationism is the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation then living matter naturally evolved from non-living matter since God did not create seed, he allowed it to evolve naturally.

Moreover, since the earth was without form and void according to Genesis 1:2, (void implies the earth was without any living matter) then if God said let the non-living matter (earth) bring forth living matter then the issue of whether living matter can naturally evolve from non-living matter without any specific act of divine creation then the validity of creationism should be resolved.

 

[prove-all]

It is important to understand that there is a chronological gap—of probably millions or billions
of years—between the spectacular creation event described in Genesis 1:1 and the state of
disorder and decay (Hebrew tohu and bohu) described in Genesis 1:2 (which preceded the rest
of Genesis 1, in which God renewed the face of the Earth—Psalm 104:30).


In Isaiah 45:18, God says He did not create the Earth in vain (Hebrew tohu). Other scriptural
passages show the cause of this Genesis 1:2 desolation: the angelic rebellion led by Lucifer,
which caused a violent war in heaven (see Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19).

Science has proven that the universe and Earth are more than 6,000 years old.
A true understanding of the biblical creation account confirms these observations.

 

[prove-all]

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[prove-all]

• Genesis 1:25 (KJV)
  
  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

• Genesis 1:12 (KJV)
  
  And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit,
• whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

• Genesis 1:24 (KJV)
  
  And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle,

and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

• Leviticus 11:29 (KJV)

These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth;
the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,

• Genesis 6:20 (KJV)
  
  Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth
• after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

• Genesis 1:21 (KJV)
  
  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,
• after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

• Genesis 1:11 (KJV)
  
  And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit
• after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
  
  
  
  Genesis 7:14 (KJV)
  
  
  They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.​
  
  Leviticus 11:22 (KJV)
  
  Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after hiskind,
  and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.

 

[CLee622]

I understand they've made up names for different ape like species, and the fossils of deformed humans / humans with maladies have been falsely attributed names of our "ancestors" ... I said I wrote that a while back - I might write it differently now but if that's all you took issue with perhaps you should open that mind back up finish reading and explain the actual questions I pose instead of assuming things by my meant-to-be humorous introduction.

I looked at your page and first saw big picture with suggestive question that evolution teaches we are from apes, then I started to read until I got to "So we came from monkeys…no big deal…", which proved you do not know even basic teachings of the evolution theory.

If you want to write on some topic from the Christian perspective, get the facts first, because you are representing Christianity in such a moment, take it seriously, not just only as an agenda.

 

[dcontroversal]

I do find it interesting that God did say let the waters and the earth bring forth abundantly..............most miss the fact that the birds came from the water.........

 

[Enow]

While that in no way answers the question regarding your doctrine of what constitutes living matter. In consideration of the fact that creationism is the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation then living matter naturally evolved from non-living matter since God did not create seed, he allowed it to evolve naturally.

Moreover, since the earth was without form and void according to Genesis 1:2, (void implies the earth was without any living matter) then if God said let the non-living matter (earth) bring forth living matter then the issue of whether living matter can naturally evolve from non-living matter without any specific act of divine creation then the validity of creationism should be resolved.

Reading Genesis like this:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That was the topic and the following verses begins by how God did that in verse 1.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void;...........

That means the earth was not existing yet....thus starting at the beginning on how God created the heaven and the earth, starting with the earth first.

............and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The first day was created with evening and morning that first day by the light appearing in that darkness and that light was the Word of God aka the Son of God. see John 1st chapter.

Continuing in Genesis 1st chapter....


[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

From what has been described above, the earth has not been created as a water planet with an upper atmosphere on that second day.


[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.[SUP]10 [/SUP]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Now the earth has been created with as one land mass aka Pangaea as theorized by scientists to have been at one time but wrongly estimated it as being billions of years ago.


[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.

God created plants bearing seeds that third day and said it was good; ergo.. finished as not evolving into anything else.

That was all done on the same third day when land appeared; thus was when the earth was created first.


[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

That was when God created the heavens so that the lights would govern the earth that fourth day.

That means no matter how long it takes light to reach the earth, God had set up the universe and filled in the gap with that light to govern the earth that evening and morning that fourth day.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.[SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Do note the significance of evening and morning after each day of creation; it does not give any leeway for billions of years to occur inbetween any of those days when everything happening in creation is happening in consecutive order as each day after the other by the evening and morning marking each day of creation.

No one can say that the heaven and the earth was created suddenly in the very first verse because the heavens were not there yet until the fourth day to give light to govern the earth for times & seasons for which they were created.

So to say that the earth was there but void is not according to the truth in His words which is why the first first was the topic, and the following verses was explaining how God created the heaven and the earth.

This topic actually ends at Genesis 2:3 before it starts another topic on giving the specification as to what had happened on that sixth day from whence all the generations of man had come from in Genesis 2:4.

Genesis 2:[SUP] 4[/SUP]These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,[SUP]

And so begins the second topic in Genesis on a more detailed event on that sixth day when the generations of men were created from.

5 [/SUP]And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

So this is a recap of the sixth day about where the generations of men came from in a more detail account as it states at the end of verse 5 that men was not created yet to even till the ground.

6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Verse 6 describes how the earth was being taken care of before man was created and in detail as from the dust of the ground; not climbing out of the sea macroevolving from species to species before God finally got it right in creating a man. That would also testify that man was not responsible for bringing death in the world if the evolution theory is true.

Which the evolution theory is not.

Jesus validated scripture as something that cannot be broken.

John 10:35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Jesus validated the first marriage in scripture of that sixth day in Genesis.

Matthew 19:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,[SUP]5 [/SUP]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus even validated the creation of the seventh day.

Mark 2:[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

So... there is no room for the evolution theory in the written word of the Bible. You need to ask Jesus to help you trust His unchanging words over the ever changing words of the evolution theory, because it is a lie and no lie can be of the truth so why bother to even compromised His words to make it true when His words says it is not true at all?

 

[CLee622]

I do find it interesting that God did say let the waters and the earth bring forth abundantly..............most miss the fact that the birds came from the water.........

Everything we see came from water. ("Spirit hovered over face of waters") and that's why everything will (eventually) be dissolved by/in water. The tools of creation and the explanation for time space matter and life are laid out in Genesis 1.

 

[trofimus]

I understand they've made up names for different ape like species, and the fossils of deformed humans / humans with maladies have been falsely attributed names of our "ancestors" ... I said I wrote that a while back - I might write it differently now but if that's all you took issue with perhaps you should open that mind back up finish reading and explain the actual questions I pose instead of assuming things by my meant-to-be humorous introduction.

Most of your questions and problems with evolution can be satisfied with 5 minutes of googling, so do your job You dont have to "wait" for answers from readers.

But you also said this interesting challenge:
"All I have to say here is that when someone shows me a fossil record of where one creature evolved into another creature, I will change my stance."

There are so many transitional fossils that it is impossible to list them there, So for example these four:

Transitions between species of Phacops, Sinosauropteryx prima (between dinosaurs and birds), oviraptorosaurs (also the same line) or - to make it from another area - Ambulocetus (between land mammals and whale).

Will you change your stance now? I guess not

 

[trofimus]

I do find it interesting that God did say let the waters and the earth bring forth abundantly..............most miss the fact that the birds came from the water.........

And you know what? All young earth creationists miss the fact that God did not form all creatures from nothing, but said to earth and waters to do it, i.e. by natural laws.

 

[chickenkiller]

Chickenkiller I would be honored if you read my blog post above and got back with me.

And really. Chickenkiller? Didn't enjoy typing that. I don't want to be rude... so I won't say anything else at you directly <3

I mean my great grandmother used to enjoy killing not just chickens... but chicks. BABY CHICKENS. She got in trouble one day as a kid for somehow...popping their heads off. Yeah lovely family story there (sorry everyone) So your name is extra "ugh" to me XD

Chicken killin is another way of saying "Killing or Wasting Time". Im very PRO Chicken so i mean them zero disrespect.

Where is your blog at?

 

[dcontroversal]

Everything we see came from water. ("Spirit hovered over face of waters") and that's why everything will (eventually) be dissolved by/in water. The tools of creation and the explanation for time space matter and life are laid out in Genesis 1.

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust.

How do you get water from DUST?

There is an obvious distinction made concerning what came forth from the water and what was brought forth from the dirt....

 

[chickenkiller]

I have to say that water is by far our most valuable resource. It is what keeps us alive. As a caver I can see the power that water has. Water is truly amazing.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have to say that water is by far our most valuable resource. It is what keeps us alive. As a caver I can see the power that water has. Water is truly amazing.

We have a lot of caves around me....been in a few...even been in a cave in Australia<--Jenolan Caves West of Sydney....

 

[CLee622]

No. No they cannot be solved with google and that's why I wrote the blog in the first place.

No no you won't change my stance not really trying to change anyone's myself just chat and - I hope you're born again more than I hope you toss the evolution hoax

Most of your questions and problems with evolution can be satisfied with 5 minutes of googling, so do your job You dont have to "wait" for answers from readers.

But you also said this interesting challenge:
"All I have to say here is that when someone shows me a fossil record of where one creature evolved into another creature, I will change my stance."

There are so many transitional fossils that it is impossible to list them there, So for example these four:

Transitions between species of Phacops, Sinosauropteryx prima (between dinosaurs and birds), oviraptorosaurs (also the same line) or - to make it from another area - Ambulocetus (between land mammals and whale).

Will you change your stance now? I guess not

 

[CLee622]

Chicken killin is another way of saying "Killing or Wasting Time". Im very PRO Chicken so i mean them zero disrespect.

Where is your blog at?

ha!!! I didn't think you did. I just didn't realize I had that strange connection in my brain to my grandmother's sordid story til I read your name

here ya go again :: transformed, not [con]formed: Correct me if I'm wrong..?

 

[chickenkiller]

We have a lot of caves around me....been in a few...even been in a cave in Australia<--Jenolan Caves West of Sydney....

No i have never left the country but ill google that. Lots of nice caves in your area! Onondaga is one of my favs. Fisher at Meramec SP is awesome too.