If you love only those that love you, what reward will you get? Even the tax collectors do that! I'm not easily swayed by any opinion, or people who question things deeply. Aren't we supposed to inspire faith in those who have lost faith, or guide those who are misguided? If single entities are such a threat, then is it that those who may be weak in faith here, are not surrounded by anyone here who makes them strong in faith? No-one here to protect those weak in faith, or have patience for those who have none?
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The following is just one part of the zeitgeist attempt to obfuscate and deceive.
The Zeitgeist movie makes these claims about the Egyptian god Horus:
• He was born on December 25 of a virgin (Isis Mary)
• A star in the East proclaimed his arrival
• Three kings came to adore the new-born “savior”
• He became a prodigious teacher at age 12
• At age 30 he was “baptized” and began a “ministry”
• Horus had twelve “disciples”
• Horus was betrayed
• He was crucified
• He was buried for three days
• He was resurrected after three days
If true, this would certainly be unsettling to followers of Christ. However, examining each point in detail is quite revealing. First, it is true that Egyptian legend has Horus being born to Isis. But where did the trailing name of “Mary” that is used in the movie come from? No mention in any Egyptian literature links the name Isis to the name Mary. Isis was also not a virgin. No account of Horus’ birth makes this statement. Rather, Isis was the widow of Osiris, another Egyptian god with whom Isis conceived Horus. Finally, Horus was supposedly born during the month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov), and not on December 25, a fact which does not help their claim of marrying the stories of Horus and Jesus, anyway, because the Bible never assigns a birth date to Christ.
Next, the film states that a star in the East announced Horus’ birth and that three kings came to bring gifts to the “savior.” However, when stories detailing the birth of Horus are examined, there is no star or three kings who come to visit him. Trying to link this to Christianity fails in any event, as the account of Christ’s birth in Matthew has magi (wise men, not kings) coming to Jesus with their actual number not being stated. Clearly, the movie is using the traditions of December 25 and three wise men, not the Bible, to link Jesus and Horus. Finally, the movie calls Horus a “savior.” There are no descriptions of Horus being a savior to anyone or serving in that capacity.
This is an important point: the movie takes extreme liberty in the quick and subtle uses of Christian words and phrases that in no way accurately describe the actual pagan god or his attributes. This is seen again in the statements of Horus being “baptized” and starting a “ministry.” The only accounts remotely related to Horus and water are the stories told of Osiris (his father who is sometimes combined in ancient accounts with Horus to form one individual) whose body was cut up into 14 pieces by his enemy, Set, and scattered throughout the earth. Isis supposedly found each part of the body and after having Osiris float in the Nile, he came back to life or became the lord of the underworld, depending on which account is read. In any event, stating that Horus was “baptized” is simply playing fast and loose with Christian terminology and is another obvious attempt to link mythology and the Bible.
In addition, Horus had no “ministry.” Horus becoming a teacher at age 12 (mimicking the account of Jesus at the temple as a youth) is nowhere to be found in accounts of Horus; neither are there any statements to the effect that he had 12 “disciples.” According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers and some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. No accounts of Horus being betrayed are found in his portrayals and he certainly did not die by crucifixion in any account. There is an incident described in one story of Horus being torn to pieces, with Isis requesting that the crocodile god pull him out of the water, but the movie does not mention this, as it does not fit their agenda. Further, the movie puts the account of Horus as originating in 3000 B.C., which predates the invention and practice of crucifixion, so there is another historical problem that must be overcome.
The claims of Horus being buried for three days and resurrected are not to be found in any ancient Egyptian texts, either. Some accounts have Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and going to be the lord of the underworld. But there is no mention of a burial for three days and no mention of his physically coming out of a grave in the same physical body he went in with and never dying again. And there is certainly no account of Horus dying for others as Jesus did.
In the end, the attempt to prove Horus was a picture/forerunner of Jesus simply fails from lack of any historical evidence. The movie continues in this same vein with all the other mythological pagan deities that pre-dated Jesus (Attis, Krishna, etc.) As just another simple example, the Zeitgeist movie says that Hindu’s Krishna was also crucified and resurrected. However, Hindu teachings clearly state that Krishna was killed by an arrow shot from a hunter who accidentally hit him in his heel, and after he died, he ascended to be with Brahman. None of the pagan deities, when accurately examined, mirror the Son of God recorded in the New Testament Gospels. https://www.gotquestions.org/zeitgeist-movie.html
The Zeitgeist movie makes these claims about the Egyptian god Horus:
• He was born on December 25 of a virgin (Isis Mary)
• A star in the East proclaimed his arrival
• Three kings came to adore the new-born “savior”
• He became a prodigious teacher at age 12
• At age 30 he was “baptized” and began a “ministry”
• Horus had twelve “disciples”
• Horus was betrayed
• He was crucified
• He was buried for three days
• He was resurrected after three days
If true, this would certainly be unsettling to followers of Christ. However, examining each point in detail is quite revealing. First, it is true that Egyptian legend has Horus being born to Isis. But where did the trailing name of “Mary” that is used in the movie come from? No mention in any Egyptian literature links the name Isis to the name Mary. Isis was also not a virgin. No account of Horus’ birth makes this statement. Rather, Isis was the widow of Osiris, another Egyptian god with whom Isis conceived Horus. Finally, Horus was supposedly born during the month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov), and not on December 25, a fact which does not help their claim of marrying the stories of Horus and Jesus, anyway, because the Bible never assigns a birth date to Christ.
Next, the film states that a star in the East announced Horus’ birth and that three kings came to bring gifts to the “savior.” However, when stories detailing the birth of Horus are examined, there is no star or three kings who come to visit him. Trying to link this to Christianity fails in any event, as the account of Christ’s birth in Matthew has magi (wise men, not kings) coming to Jesus with their actual number not being stated. Clearly, the movie is using the traditions of December 25 and three wise men, not the Bible, to link Jesus and Horus. Finally, the movie calls Horus a “savior.” There are no descriptions of Horus being a savior to anyone or serving in that capacity.
This is an important point: the movie takes extreme liberty in the quick and subtle uses of Christian words and phrases that in no way accurately describe the actual pagan god or his attributes. This is seen again in the statements of Horus being “baptized” and starting a “ministry.” The only accounts remotely related to Horus and water are the stories told of Osiris (his father who is sometimes combined in ancient accounts with Horus to form one individual) whose body was cut up into 14 pieces by his enemy, Set, and scattered throughout the earth. Isis supposedly found each part of the body and after having Osiris float in the Nile, he came back to life or became the lord of the underworld, depending on which account is read. In any event, stating that Horus was “baptized” is simply playing fast and loose with Christian terminology and is another obvious attempt to link mythology and the Bible.
In addition, Horus had no “ministry.” Horus becoming a teacher at age 12 (mimicking the account of Jesus at the temple as a youth) is nowhere to be found in accounts of Horus; neither are there any statements to the effect that he had 12 “disciples.” According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers and some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. No accounts of Horus being betrayed are found in his portrayals and he certainly did not die by crucifixion in any account. There is an incident described in one story of Horus being torn to pieces, with Isis requesting that the crocodile god pull him out of the water, but the movie does not mention this, as it does not fit their agenda. Further, the movie puts the account of Horus as originating in 3000 B.C., which predates the invention and practice of crucifixion, so there is another historical problem that must be overcome.
The claims of Horus being buried for three days and resurrected are not to be found in any ancient Egyptian texts, either. Some accounts have Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and going to be the lord of the underworld. But there is no mention of a burial for three days and no mention of his physically coming out of a grave in the same physical body he went in with and never dying again. And there is certainly no account of Horus dying for others as Jesus did.
In the end, the attempt to prove Horus was a picture/forerunner of Jesus simply fails from lack of any historical evidence. The movie continues in this same vein with all the other mythological pagan deities that pre-dated Jesus (Attis, Krishna, etc.) As just another simple example, the Zeitgeist movie says that Hindu’s Krishna was also crucified and resurrected. However, Hindu teachings clearly state that Krishna was killed by an arrow shot from a hunter who accidentally hit him in his heel, and after he died, he ascended to be with Brahman. None of the pagan deities, when accurately examined, mirror the Son of God recorded in the New Testament Gospels. https://www.gotquestions.org/zeitgeist-movie.html
I can kinda helps ya out on this particular question concerning "ancient mythology"......First off...is the ancient greek mythology true?...Yeah?....It has been revealed to me, that indeed it is true! And you more then likely have ever heard of this "take" concerning "mythology".....This occurred towards the tail end of the previous earth/heaven age! At a time of the "katabol" (hebrew) or attempted conspiracy/overthrow of the Spirit of Gods' throne, and authority. The guy they called zeus?...Well, that's none other then that 'ol seprpent, the devil, or you might wanna call him beelzebub. Are those stories of perverted "birthings" true?...Yep, and they even continued over into this current earth/heaven age, after, the garden of eden incident. And would have been just as perverted afterwards, had not GOD caused the flood in Noah's days, typically called "Noah's Flood", after which a "bargain" to tone things down, had been recieved by GOD and delivered unto Noah, by way of an olive branch in the mouth of a dove. In essence telling the overthrowers: "I killed off this earth and heaven (age) onced before, and I'll frigging DO IT AGAIN, if you are just too impatient to wait your 70 weeks!!" I had heard those 70 weeks were finished up some time ago, so those overthrow guys are so screwed! 
So, the question to you dear "can't pronounce yer name", is which side of judgement, you wanna be on? Eh?
So, the question to you dear "can't pronounce yer name", is which side of judgement, you wanna be on? Eh?
Ok what about
Deuteronomy 7:25
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
7:26
Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.
Deuteronomy 12:27
And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.
Deuteronomy 7:25
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
7:26
Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.
Deuteronomy 12:27
And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.
That is correct, Scripture identifies Jesus Christ as God. Many Scriptures affirm it. John 1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
if i answer will you hear it? Nonetheless:
satan is a Master Deceiver, he is very efficient at what he does. He causes confusion and doubt. If there is a TRUTH about the virgin Mary, what would be satans best tactic to try to disprove such a thing? i will tell you one, and that is to cause myths all over the world in all kinds of different religions to teach of their own suffering Saviors. Heck the Muslims have Mohammed. The Hindus have many Saviors.
Who has told you that they don't? There is nothing in Scriptures that teach Mary was the ONLY person to have a virgin birth. Scriptures ONLY teaches that Jesus would be born to a virgin. So you do error in thinking that All Christians believe that there was ONLY ONE virgin birth.
i will answer this question if you answer my question: How did Jesus walk with sandals on his feet, when the pagans have been walking with sandals also? Also How did Jesus eat with plates when the pagans eat with plates too? Was Jesus evil because He sat around a fire, because the pagans did the same thing?
For the same reason the ritual of animal sacrifices existed since Adam and Eve.
NO, here is why. Did you know that pyramid type buildings existed all of the world, without any of those other tribes visiting them. The same type of pyramid structure popped up all over the world, without them even communicating with each other, or having the ability to travel around the world, yet all have the same type of pyramid structures. Now you are saying that because other pagan cults had certain rituals like the Christians do, that YOU THINK the Christians copied them, right? Could not the Christians have come up with their own rituals through the man called Jesus Christ? Just as those pyramids popped up all over the world, without anyone copying them. To say that answer is NO, is just, well, wrong.
Let me see if i understand your logic here. If the pagans did something, it is evil and wicked if Christians do that too? Did the pagans eat with utensils. Therefore according to this logic, if a Christian eats food with utensils like the pagans do, they commit sin, right? Pagans danced. Well according to your logic, if a Christian dances, because the pagans danced too. They commit sin. You do error in this logic.
IF the pagan gave gifts to their own pagan friends.
And Christians think that is a very good thing for us to do, and then Christian start giving gifts to people in the name of Jesus Christ, how are they evil and wrong to do so, just because the pagans did it before.
Pagans wear clothes, should we stop doing what they do and all of shed our clothes? God forbid.
Pagans sing, should we stop singing because that is something the pagans do?
Are you not seeing how illogical your reasoning is?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
satan is a Master Deceiver, he is very efficient at what he does. He causes confusion and doubt. If there is a TRUTH about the virgin Mary, what would be satans best tactic to try to disprove such a thing? i will tell you one, and that is to cause myths all over the world in all kinds of different religions to teach of their own suffering Saviors. Heck the Muslims have Mohammed. The Hindus have many Saviors.
Who has told you that they don't? There is nothing in Scriptures that teach Mary was the ONLY person to have a virgin birth. Scriptures ONLY teaches that Jesus would be born to a virgin. So you do error in thinking that All Christians believe that there was ONLY ONE virgin birth.
i will answer this question if you answer my question: How did Jesus walk with sandals on his feet, when the pagans have been walking with sandals also? Also How did Jesus eat with plates when the pagans eat with plates too? Was Jesus evil because He sat around a fire, because the pagans did the same thing?
For the same reason the ritual of animal sacrifices existed since Adam and Eve.
NO, here is why. Did you know that pyramid type buildings existed all of the world, without any of those other tribes visiting them. The same type of pyramid structure popped up all over the world, without them even communicating with each other, or having the ability to travel around the world, yet all have the same type of pyramid structures. Now you are saying that because other pagan cults had certain rituals like the Christians do, that YOU THINK the Christians copied them, right? Could not the Christians have come up with their own rituals through the man called Jesus Christ? Just as those pyramids popped up all over the world, without anyone copying them. To say that answer is NO, is just, well, wrong.
Let me see if i understand your logic here. If the pagans did something, it is evil and wicked if Christians do that too? Did the pagans eat with utensils. Therefore according to this logic, if a Christian eats food with utensils like the pagans do, they commit sin, right? Pagans danced. Well according to your logic, if a Christian dances, because the pagans danced too. They commit sin. You do error in this logic.
IF the pagan gave gifts to their own pagan friends.
And Christians think that is a very good thing for us to do, and then Christian start giving gifts to people in the name of Jesus Christ, how are they evil and wrong to do so, just because the pagans did it before.
Pagans wear clothes, should we stop doing what they do and all of shed our clothes? God forbid.
Pagans sing, should we stop singing because that is something the pagans do?
Are you not seeing how illogical your reasoning is?
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
If you are banned, it is not because you were asking questions, but because you accuse God Himself as being this or that. This is going to get you banned, NOT your questions.
Everyone here on ChrstianChat.com believes in God, anyone who comes in here calling God names, or any such thing like that is going to get banned. So then it has nothing to do with your question that you ask, so don't make the mistake in believing it is that, if you get banned.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Everyone here on ChrstianChat.com believes in God, anyone who comes in here calling God names, or any such thing like that is going to get banned. So then it has nothing to do with your question that you ask, so don't make the mistake in believing it is that, if you get banned.
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DiscipleDave