Of course it is possible. Have you ever decided to do something and then tried to talk yourself out of it? Oh, or you one of those non existent specimens that never talk to themselves? Do you know, also, that Jesus explicitly said He said things for OUR benefit? He wanted us to know that He suffered. He suffered for US!!! How would YOU feel knowing you were going to be whipped to close to death and then crucified? Crucifixion is acknowledged as one of the most cruel forms of putting someone to death. He did it out of His great love for us. It was the reason why He incarnated (took on flesh to walk this world) in the first place. If you do not understand that, you understand nothing of Christianity.
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This may be a reason you are confused about the Word of God, But NOT the reason you are no longer a Christian. What happened?
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DiscipleDave
What happened to cause you, Once being a Christian, to now you are no longer a Christian? What happened?
This may be a reason you are confused about the Word of God, But NOT the reason you are no longer a Christian. What happened?
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DiscipleDave
I hear you DiscipleDave,but Jesus being the only begotten Son refers to His humanity,for He was the only human to ever be conceived by the Spirit,so He is the only begotten Son of God,where the saints are adopted in to the kingdom,and when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and made according to the flesh.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
God said there was no God formed after Him,so Jesus cannot be a created God,and also if Jesus is a created God,and God the Father is above Him,then Jesus is not a God,but a created being,because God means supreme being,which if Jesus was created He could not be that supreme being,anything that God created no matter how awesome,and powerful,and intelligent,is not a God,for there can only be one God,who ever is the greatest being.
There was no God created after God,for where would he fit in,for if God is an omnipresent Spirit that fills all space,where is there room for this God,for all that is created by God,is only a created being,and not God.
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Jesus' goings forth have been from of old,from everlasting,which means Jesus has no beginning,and is the visible manifestation of the invisible God,and God's own personal human body.God's Spirit cannot all fit in a human body,but God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,has the Spirit without measure,and it pleased the Father than in Him all fulness shall dwell,so Jesus is God Himself,who has no beginning,an invisible God that showed a visible manifestation of Himself,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
God said there was no God formed after Him,so Jesus cannot be a created God,and also if Jesus is a created God,and God the Father is above Him,then Jesus is not a God,but a created being,because God means supreme being,which if Jesus was created He could not be that supreme being,anything that God created no matter how awesome,and powerful,and intelligent,is not a God,for there can only be one God,who ever is the greatest being.
There was no God created after God,for where would he fit in,for if God is an omnipresent Spirit that fills all space,where is there room for this God,for all that is created by God,is only a created being,and not God.
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Jesus' goings forth have been from of old,from everlasting,which means Jesus has no beginning,and is the visible manifestation of the invisible God,and God's own personal human body.God's Spirit cannot all fit in a human body,but God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,has the Spirit without measure,and it pleased the Father than in Him all fulness shall dwell,so Jesus is God Himself,who has no beginning,an invisible God that showed a visible manifestation of Himself,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
Exodus 20
I Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
It is apparent the Nazarene is claiming he is "God." So where does that leave Jehova?:
Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Here he is obviously referring to himself]
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Now "Jesus" is God?
Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth...
You say he is human, he says he is god, but he also says he is not
John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.
That's the confusion mate
I Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
It is apparent the Nazarene is claiming he is "God." So where does that leave Jehova?:
Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Here he is obviously referring to himself]
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Now "Jesus" is God?
Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth...
You say he is human, he says he is god, but he also says he is not
John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.
That's the confusion mate
Where is the justice in punishing Jesus for our sins? If our courts of law were to accept the punishment of someone else in the place of the criminal, we would not say that justice has been done, but that injustice has been added to injustice. Would the church have me believe that two wrongs make a right?
i answered many thing you asked, but is it my fault that you have ears but can't hear? i ask you a question, and you still have not answered me, yet you think Everyone should answer your questions but you don't have to answer ours. Have you ever read what is called the Golden Rule? If then you want answers from the question you ask, then should you not give answers to the questions asked of you? That is how conversations work. You ask a question, i answer, i ask a question you answer. But it seems you are not keeping your part of the conversation active.
What happened to cause you, Once being a Christian, to now you are no longer a Christian? What happened?
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
This may be a reason you are confused about the Word of God, But NOT the reason you are no longer a Christian. What happened?
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DiscipleDave
What happened to cause you, Once being a Christian, to now you are no longer a Christian? What happened?
This may be a reason you are confused about the Word of God, But NOT the reason you are no longer a Christian. What happened?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Brother it doesn't make since to you now, because you are still in your carnal mind. If you think carnally, you won't be thinking Spiritually. Do you not see and understand that you are not even asking a question here. Notice what you say
this is a statement, not a question. Here would be a question.
I do not understand, nor does it make sense to me, why the entire theme of the Christian mass/church service seems to be that of a simulation of a human sacrifice, could someone please explain to me and help my confusion on this matter?
Now that would get you a whole lot of responses from Christians who are eager to answer that question for you. But in the above example you ask NO Question at all, and then wander why your questions are not being answered. Do you see the problem here?
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DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave
lol, reveal to me one question that YOU asked that i did not answer. just one will prove you are not full of it
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DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and is the personal human body of God,and visible manifestation of the invisible God,which all of God's Spirit cannot fit in a body,but this is the only way we can see invisible God,and the fulness of God's attributes given to the man Christ Jesus,that no other human can receive,makes Jesus qualified to be God Himself showing a visible manifestation,which no other human with the Spirit can make that claim having partial attributes.
Jesus is both God and man,and could speak either as God or as a man,which in the garden He spoke as a man,but He was always in line with the God.
Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Jesus said not His will,but His Father's will,but according to His flesh as a man He prayed,but would never go against what the Father wanted,for it was impossible for Him to do so.He might of been saying,Father if it is possible for mankind to have salvation other than Me going to the cross,can it be done,and if not,I am going to the cross.
Jesus is both God and man,and could speak either as God or as a man,which in the garden He spoke as a man,but He was always in line with the God.
Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Jesus said not His will,but His Father's will,but according to His flesh as a man He prayed,but would never go against what the Father wanted,for it was impossible for Him to do so.He might of been saying,Father if it is possible for mankind to have salvation other than Me going to the cross,can it be done,and if not,I am going to the cross.
They don't like it, cuz the future for them is the lake of fire. Poor unfortunate human that you are, that you allow these unholy counselors, into your fingers, and your thoughts, which have rendered your mind unacceptable. You see good people here striving to help this poor soul. You have deflected all the love and prayers away from this poor guy and still he stays here seeking help! I, myself, have grown weary of this verbage, and am now, to be truthful and honest flat out Pissed Off!......Be gone you workers of unholy counsel! In the name of Only Begotton! Jesus of Nazareth! You want someone more yer size to "play" with? C'mere!....Closer...no...Closer!...C'mere!
1. The Greek meaning of hate stated in this passage.
3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.
Lk 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, 'love less' than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (NASU).
Also, one thing to understand was in their culture if someone chose to follow Christ that man/female's family would more than likely disbanded them for following Jesus. And you can not hold on to people that will bring your life in Christ down dark and confusing paths. Jesus wants to renovate and not just a makeover. He wants to completely demolish the house and build his temple in its place.
2.
Matthew 12:8Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Jesus was the whole reason for the Sabbath.
3. Jesus was setting the crowd up for a miracle. By telling them the girl is not dead had to of been very confusing when the family could see the girl was gone. Jesus tells them the girl is alive because he has the power to conquer death. As he himself rose from the dead very much alive.
3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.
Lk 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, 'love less' than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (NASU).
Also, one thing to understand was in their culture if someone chose to follow Christ that man/female's family would more than likely disbanded them for following Jesus. And you can not hold on to people that will bring your life in Christ down dark and confusing paths. Jesus wants to renovate and not just a makeover. He wants to completely demolish the house and build his temple in its place.
2.
Matthew 12:8Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Jesus was the whole reason for the Sabbath.
3. Jesus was setting the crowd up for a miracle. By telling them the girl is not dead had to of been very confusing when the family could see the girl was gone. Jesus tells them the girl is alive because he has the power to conquer death. As he himself rose from the dead very much alive.
Also (new question) how can sacrificing Jesus on behalf of the sinner atone for another's sin? This would be like killing my child to reconcile for the misbehavior of my neighbor's child. I have the capacity simply to forgive and forget without demanding compensation for small offenses. Why can't God do this? Does he simply want blood?
Still NO Questions asked here either.
How do they say it? Your singing to the Choir. i know Jesus is NOT the Father, i have written an article concerning that very topic. Click HERE to see that article concerning that particular topic.
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DiscipleDave
How do they say it? Your singing to the Choir. i know Jesus is NOT the Father, i have written an article concerning that very topic. Click HERE to see that article concerning that particular topic.
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DiscipleDave
Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world to give His life, that we might have a life more abundant through His resurrection to new life. You are complaining against the plan of God. God has taken responsibility for the sins of man. Jesus gave Himself over to death to show us that He has power over death, for He conquered sin by living a perfect life under the law, which condemns all who fail to uphold it in every part, and then He conquered death, through His resurrection to new life. At the end of this age, following the resurrection and judgement of all, any who do not have their names written in His book of life, shall pass into the second death.
By the way...been to Stralia 5 times, spent 4 months down under in the Sydney/Penrith/Blacktown/Blue Mountains/Mulgoa/Paramatta areas.....
Well.....If a King sends an emissary with the authority and backing of the KING, does not the emissary's word carry the same weight as the King.....of if a KING sends HIS SON with the authority and backing of the KING, does not the SON have the same authority as the KING......
God the FATHER is SPIRIT and is INVISIBLE---->HE is represented by the SON who is visible and the SPIRIT is the WORD of both......they carry equal weight, equal authority and that is how I view it....
THE FATHER is GOD-->THE SON IS GOD--->THE WORD of BOTH (HOLY SPIRIT) carries the same weight and authority and IS GOD......
HARD for the finite to grasp the infinite......
To the bolded in my quote
In JOHN's writing the phrase is found....the SPIRIT is the TRUTH<--two definite articles and a "be" verb is why I said the above....and the other phrase...Sanctify them by thy WORD, thy WORD IS TRUTH..so I logically deduce the bolded above....
I know it is mind boggling mate.....but for sure God is one, yet manifested three ways just as you and I are....
NAME is DAVID
My mind<---INTELLECT---->HEAVENLY FATHER
MY BODY<----BODY--->JESUS
My SPIRIT<--SPIRIT-->HOLY SPIRIT
ONE God manifested three ways........
Well.....If a King sends an emissary with the authority and backing of the KING, does not the emissary's word carry the same weight as the King.....of if a KING sends HIS SON with the authority and backing of the KING, does not the SON have the same authority as the KING......
God the FATHER is SPIRIT and is INVISIBLE---->HE is represented by the SON who is visible and the SPIRIT is the WORD of both......they carry equal weight, equal authority and that is how I view it....
THE FATHER is GOD-->THE SON IS GOD--->THE WORD of BOTH (HOLY SPIRIT) carries the same weight and authority and IS GOD......
HARD for the finite to grasp the infinite......
To the bolded in my quote
In JOHN's writing the phrase is found....the SPIRIT is the TRUTH<--two definite articles and a "be" verb is why I said the above....and the other phrase...Sanctify them by thy WORD, thy WORD IS TRUTH..so I logically deduce the bolded above....
I know it is mind boggling mate.....but for sure God is one, yet manifested three ways just as you and I are....
NAME is DAVID
My mind<---INTELLECT---->HEAVENLY FATHER
MY BODY<----BODY--->JESUS
My SPIRIT<--SPIRIT-->HOLY SPIRIT
ONE God manifested three ways........
It is one thing to ask questions, but it is another thing if you NOT are seeking Him and the Truth in His words.
Have you read post #149 in response to your questions in the OP?
You have chosen your nickname for posting in here that represents....
God promised those that seek the truth, they shall find it, but if you are just asking questions to dismiss answers by asking other questions, you may want to ask God if you are really seeking God to know Him through the Son or...just messing around with believers.
Have you read post #149 in response to your questions in the OP?
You have chosen your nickname for posting in here that represents....
God promised those that seek the truth, they shall find it, but if you are just asking questions to dismiss answers by asking other questions, you may want to ask God if you are really seeking God to know Him through the Son or...just messing around with believers.
The Seven Deadly Sins:
Pride
The Nazarene was a very arrogant, selfish and conceited individual. His overwhelming sense of negative pride and self exhaltation was seen in many of the scriptures:
He was arrogant enough to insult his host and leave her with the burden of work while he hogged all of the attention, indicating an extreme sense of self importance
Luke 10: 38-42
38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him. What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, the Nazarene is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance:
Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.
That's not a very perfect life
Pride
The Nazarene was a very arrogant, selfish and conceited individual. His overwhelming sense of negative pride and self exhaltation was seen in many of the scriptures:
He was arrogant enough to insult his host and leave her with the burden of work while he hogged all of the attention, indicating an extreme sense of self importance
Luke 10: 38-42
38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him. What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, the Nazarene is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance:
Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.
That's not a very perfect life