But the question at hand is believing in the bible not just reading it this why i said not believing in the bible is not believing in God himself. It's one thing to have not read the bible but if the believer believes in God they believe in the bible as he will naturally teach them what the bible teaches
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The scriptures are God's written word and hold God's creation, His history, His love, His wisdom, His redemption, His authority, His justice and etc. within its pages.
The Beareans were not willing to accept Paul's teaching until they read the words for themselves to see if what he was teaching was true.
So the early church had the written scriptures at their disposal.
Acts 17:10-12
The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
As for the New Testament, the early church had the advantage over us because they were reading the original manuscripts. (The apostles letters)
Also, if they had questions, they had the living epistles among them to ask questions.
They passed the letters around to other churches to read and later copyists or scribes began copying them down.
We need the scriptures to authenticate any and all teachings. We need them more today than ever before.
The Beareans were not willing to accept Paul's teaching until they read the words for themselves to see if what he was teaching was true.
So the early church had the written scriptures at their disposal.
Acts 17:10-12
The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
As for the New Testament, the early church had the advantage over us because they were reading the original manuscripts. (The apostles letters)
Also, if they had questions, they had the living epistles among them to ask questions.
They passed the letters around to other churches to read and later copyists or scribes began copying them down. We need the scriptures to authenticate any and all teachings. We need them more today than ever before.
These other posters have a point that is valid to the matter. Some in Jesus' time never DID learn to read, but the illiterate were not excluded from saving. They heard the gospel, were saved, went to gatherings to listen, and had the same Holy Spirit to guide them into a closer walk and growing conformity to the Son.
Having said that, I would look on it as insane to never read my bible. Why on earth would I do that? Although, if He doesn't come to teach me, I usually put it down and stop because I'm not going to sit there and argue and insist I'll just use my OWN mind to understand it. In fact, if He has gone silent for a bit, I actually can't even FORCE myself to pick it up until I look at it and don't feel unpeaceful at the thought of picking it up but get excited instead.
Most Christians don't read the Bible, but they're still Christian. But why not read it? It's like having front row seats to every concert you've ever wanted to attend but you never go. Doesn't make sense. Now, if these peeps are saying you don't have to believe what is written in the Bible then they're full of dumplings.
excellent thread idea!
imo, it's not required to become a Christian, but very helpful for growth.
consider the Athenians in acts 17. Paul gives not a single Scripture,
THE ACTS 17:32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, We will hear you again about this.
THE ACTS 17:33 So Paul went out from their midst.
THE ACTS 17:34 But
some men joined him and believed,
among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them.
imo, it's not required to become a Christian, but very helpful for growth.
consider the Athenians in acts 17. Paul gives not a single Scripture,
THE ACTS 17:32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, We will hear you again about this.
THE ACTS 17:33 So Paul went out from their midst.
THE ACTS 17:34 But
some men joined him and believed,
among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them.
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Can I know you if I never read what you say?
Can I know you, if I never listen to what you say?
Am I even interested in knowing you, if I will not read what you say or listen to you?
Pretty much, THAT is the deal we have in God. If we're not interested, we won't. If we are, we will. These people aren't, and yet you defend them?
Can I know you, if I never listen to what you say?
Am I even interested in knowing you, if I will not read what you say or listen to you?
Pretty much, THAT is the deal we have in God. If we're not interested, we won't. If we are, we will. These people aren't, and yet you defend them?
Read some of this guys blogs, and the reason why he doesn't like all of the Bible's content is he wants to justify sin. He plays the homosexuality that Paul is talking about, is Roman pederasty (men with boys), or UN-consensual homosexual sex, game.
He believes committed homosexual relationships, even homosexual marriage is not only right, but Christians that say otherwise are un-christian and hateful. He also vigorously defends transgenderism and other sexual deviancies.
One of his biggest pushes is evolution.
Strange that he does in fact have a grasp on the Gospel. Usually people with such warped ideas are wrong in some way about THE Gospel. So either he doesn't really believe it, or the Holy Spirit has yet to refine the dross in his heart.
So in one sense I think he's right on what is necessary to be a saved Christian, but he is wrong on just about everything else. I will let God judge whether he is truly born again or not.
He believes committed homosexual relationships, even homosexual marriage is not only right, but Christians that say otherwise are un-christian and hateful. He also vigorously defends transgenderism and other sexual deviancies.
One of his biggest pushes is evolution.
Strange that he does in fact have a grasp on the Gospel. Usually people with such warped ideas are wrong in some way about THE Gospel. So either he doesn't really believe it, or the Holy Spirit has yet to refine the dross in his heart.
So in one sense I think he's right on what is necessary to be a saved Christian, but he is wrong on just about everything else. I will let God judge whether he is truly born again or not.
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So, the Old Testament disappeared?
The way I've seen it happen is God descends, eyes open, ears hear, and then everyone gets into a frenzy to learn as much about God as they can.
Considering Pentecost happened outside of Jerusalem then "as much about God as they can" sent them flying to learn what we now call "The Old Testament." They weren't out inventing a God of their choosing. They were finding out who did that to them! Who is that God?
The way I've seen it happen is God descends, eyes open, ears hear, and then everyone gets into a frenzy to learn as much about God as they can.
Considering Pentecost happened outside of Jerusalem then "as much about God as they can" sent them flying to learn what we now call "The Old Testament." They weren't out inventing a God of their choosing. They were finding out who did that to them! Who is that God?
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Bupkis! The epistles were written between 40 AD - 90 AD. Jesus died in the 30's (AD style.) Most were written in the 40s-60s, so 10-30 years after AND mostly by eyewitnesses. The one written 50-60 years later was from "the kid" - John the Beloved.
You may have been taught otherwise, but this is the reality. They knew how important those letters were so actually scribed often quickly to pass it along.
You may have been taught otherwise, but this is the reality. They knew how important those letters were so actually scribed often quickly to pass it along.