How long can a Christian go without sinning?

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I don't think that loving ones self is ingrained in people what you are talking about is self preservation which is primal ALL animals have it.

Loving ones self is a byproduct of self respect,self control and self awareness.

A perfect example is the Native Americans that live on reservations they have sime of the highest suicide rates because awareness of self and everything that goes with that(self respect,self control) is not taught,this is also why it's normal for them to steal everything in site.

Im not racist im Native American and we steal from each other it's perfectly normal athough it shouldn't be.
 
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I don't think that loving ones self is ingrained in people what you are talking about is self preservation which is primal ALL animals have it.

Loving ones self is a byproduct of self respect,self control and self awareness.

A perfect example is the Native Americans that live on reservations they have sime of the highest suicide rates because awareness of self and everything that goes with that(self respect,self control) is not taught,this is also why it's normal for them to steal everything in site.

Im not racist im Native American and we steal from each other it's perfectly normal athough it shouldn't be.
I've been reading a lot of what you've said in many posts and on more than one forum. I think you're an ethnic Christian, not a born again Christian. So, I understand you won't understand me. We're not talking from the same base.
 
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I don't think that loving ones self is ingrained in people what you are talking about is self preservation which is primal ALL animals have it.

Loving ones self is a byproduct of self respect,self control and self awareness.

A perfect example is the Native Americans that live on reservations they have sime of the highest suicide rates because awareness of self and everything that goes with that(self respect,self control) is not taught,this is also why it's normal for them to steal everything in site.

Im not racist im Native American and we steal from each other it's perfectly normal athough it shouldn't be.
JIMBO43........how are you doing today? Haven fun deceiven?
 
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Sirk, did you mean by that that it is actually abuse because of the torment it gives us to know that we treated someone worse than ourselves or worse than what we ourselves would like to be treated by them? In that sense, yeah, I agree we are tormented by our selfishnesses after we meet God. It's hungering for more than just forgiveness. We actually WANT to BE good.
just that self focus leads to bad mental health. Life is small if it doesn't consist of something bigger than self.
 
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On the base of what (for your argument?) And, huh? Totally didn't get this at all.

If you're up to trying to get through to me again, would you base it on the Bible, please? (If you're not up to it, I understand why you wouldn't be.)
I know the Bible better than you ever will. And why would you think my intent is to get thru to you?
 
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just that self focus leads to bad mental health.
And your mission is to be a real life example?

+putting on tinfoil hat+
 
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just that self focus leads to bad mental health. Life is small if it doesn't consist of something bigger than self.
I replied to the wrong post!! Sorry brother.
 
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I would argue that people do a very poor job at "loving" themselves. It may not look like it to a casual observer but selfishness is actually self abuse.
I get it......
 

Desertsrose

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Well said Ben.

We are growing in the Lord's grace that enables us to live and move and have our being in Him. If He's our life and we're abiding in Him we will be fruit bearers. The fruit can't die if we're abiding in Him.

We were once in the marketplace as slaves chained to the slave block. Jesus saw us and paid the price to free us from the bondage of sin and death with His own blood on the cross.

But some of us continue to hang around that old slave block and live as if we're still chained by Satan to the power of sin. We've been set free to go and not live a life of sin anymore. We're freed from the law to live out His life in us through His grace in the power of the Holy Spirit. He's not left us as orphans, He's with us always.

Some of us are beat up from the world, from satan, from ourselves even. And sometimes we forget that we have an enemy.

Satan wants nothing better than to come in to kill, steal and destroy everything we have and hold dear in Jesus.

He attacks our minds and our hearts to think and believe things that are contrary to the Lord and His teachings. He comes to throw temptation our way through the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life. He says just enough truth that we can't discern when it's him and he's lying to us.


And like Ben, I'm not talking about sinless perfection. But we're set free to walk in righteousness, and when we sin He'll convict us to go before the Him to get cleansed and renewed in our spirit through confession and repentance.

And as we keep feeding on His word He renews the mind and helps transform us more and more into His image, into His likeness. We will sin less and less as we mature in Christ.

As we eat the bread of the new covenant, we're feeding on the bread of life.....the food that nourishes that comes by living on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. And the life is in the blood. Jesus is our life, in a sense it's His blood that courses through our veins.


Let's dwell on the truth of scripture. What Ben's saying is the scriptures. Let's pray and have a time of repentance and see what God will do in our lives. We're not slaves to sin anymore so let's live a life of righteousness in Him.


 

Bladerunner

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Would you be surprised to know that it seems a lot of believer's answer to this is hardly but a day? Recently a pastor at my church was asked this question and his response to the question, "Can a Christian not sin for a day, a week, a month, or a year?" was "I don't think so." Of course he left himself open for criticism and said if anyone wants to teach him better to just pull him to the side. He wasn't being definitive, but always keeps an open stance because he believes the Lord can show people stuff that he is missing.

Anyways, I find it peculiar is all. This seems to be a Christian stance on sinning, that we can hardly go a day or a week without sinning. Yet, I don't find this stance in the Bible. We don't get a warning from the apostle Paul or in any of epistles stating something like, "You're not perfect. You're going to keep sinning, but keep going." or, really any statement that you will sin, but rather if you do sin (we have an Advocate with the Father).

We are told to not use our liberty as an occasion or opportunity to entertain the flesh but to serve in righteousness. We are encouraged to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God, because as Christ died and rose, we did we (represented in baptism). You'll see the epistles stating who we are in Christ. Righteous loving people, zealous of good works. All of this speaks to walking in righteousness, even saying that sin doesn't have dominion over us because we are not under the law but grace.

Why is our response to this question hardly but a day when scripture states we've been set free? Why is it so hard for a Christian to believe a believer can go a long period of time without sinning or even a short period of time? Have we not died to sin? Did not this propensity get taken from us, where we have the choice to sin (having had the old man be crucified)?

To think that the leadership in the Church believe that we cannot go any period of time without sinning is baffling. What has happened to sanctification? Does God not chastise? Do we not have the fruit of the Holy Spirit? Did not Christ die to set us free, to make us who were once dead now alive in Him, having been born-again? Where is our liberty, to not sin, but to serve in the newness of the spirit? Aren't we supposed to awake to righteousness and sin not?

This isn't talking about sinless perfectionism, this is talking about the mindset of the Church in relation to sin. They still see themselves in chains, when God says that sin shall not have dominion over you. What is the reasoning for this?
BenFTW...there was once a old wise man stated: I HAVE sinned, I AM sinning and I WILL sin. So will we all be.

As for me, it probably takes an few minutes to an hour or more (probably when I am sleeping). Surprised, well I was surprised at you accurate findings above.Thank YOU!

Besides the major sins, "Murder, fornication, Theft, rape and I could go on, there are many smaller yet just as important Sins like LIES, Lust, Greed, etc. These smaller sins are easier to do and get away from it. It would easy for me to simply just tell you a story (a LIE) that I think you want to Hear in order for me to sell you on a product, church, etc. What about LUST,, WHat about GREED? What about hurting others (not physically assaulting)just to get ahead. These are all and more sins and everybody does them.

I 'know of' only one Adult that ever achieved "Perfection" and that person gives you the opportunity to remove your Past, Present and Future sins by simply believing in him.

For the Major Sins, I suspect and I say suspect that since the Rapture will be within itself a Judgement, some with these large MAJOR Sins may not make it past the rapture. Rather they may be given time to become martyrs for the name of Jesus Christ if they so chose to. The same can be said for those replacement Theology, Preterist, and "other Gospel" believers, etc.who believe in GOD but do not believe what HIS WORD has to say or at least believe in it in parts.
 

Bladerunner

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Well said Ben.

We are growing in the Lord's grace that enables us to live and move and have our being in Him. If He's our life and we're abiding in Him we will be fruit bearers. The fruit can't die if we're abiding in Him.

We were once in the marketplace as slaves chained to the slave block. Jesus saw us and paid the price to free us from the bondage of sin and death with His own blood on the cross.

But some of us continue to hang around that old slave block and live as if we're still chained by Satan to the power of sin. We've been set free to go and not live a life of sin anymore. We're freed from the law to live out His life in us through His grace in the power of the Holy Spirit. He's not left us as orphans, He's with us always.

Some of us are beat up from the world, from satan, from ourselves even. And sometimes we forget that we have an enemy.

Satan wants nothing better than to come in to kill, steal and destroy everything we have and hold dear in Jesus.

He attacks our minds and our hearts to think and believe things that are contrary to the Lord and His teachings. He comes to throw temptation our way through the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life. He says just enough truth that we can't discern when it's him and he's lying to us.


And like Ben, I'm not talking about sinless perfection. But we're set free to walk in righteousness, and when we sin He'll convict us to go before the Him to get cleansed and renewed in our spirit through confession and repentance.

And as we keep feeding on His word He renews the mind and helps transform us more and more into His image, into His likeness. We will sin less and less as we mature in Christ.

As we eat the bread of the new covenant, we're feeding on the bread of life.....the food that nourishes that comes by living on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. And the life is in the blood. Jesus is our life, in a sense it's His blood that courses through our veins.


Let's dwell on the truth of scripture. What Ben's saying is the scriptures. Let's pray and have a time of repentance and see what God will do in our lives. We're not slaves to sin anymore so let's live a life of righteousness in Him.


Desertsrose,,, The whole amour of God would help a lot here...do you not think so?
 
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ha! I know you do. However, talking to some around here is about as fruitful as arguing with an Alzheimer's patient as to why they're not allowed to use the stove.
 
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I worried that i read your first post wrong.
And I felt guilty a bit thinking I did.
I should of had the perfect answer, with the perfect result.
Worry and guilt are sins, not being perfect is a sin.
Are worry and guilt sins?

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Matt 6:34

Concern about responsibility is a good thing, but excessive concern about
things outside our control, is pointless and self harming.
Most anxious disorders are caused by people getting anxious about being anxious and not
real problems. This is not a sin as so much predicting the future based on conviction and not
accepting our limitations and knowing risk. When we know each day is a blessing, a gift, we
do not expect tomorrow, but are grateful when it arrives.

Guilt. It is right to feel bad and sorrowful about sin. It would be strange if you hurt your
hand, you felt happy about it, rather than acknowledging the pain and problem it is.

"Not being perfect is a sin." This is the route to total rejection and condemnation.

One verse talks about being perfect like the Father, and this is about loving ones enemies
and blessing them.

Such extreme views of sin, ofcourse lead to abdication and defeat.
 
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Would you be surprised to know that it seems a lot of believer's answer to this is hardly but a day?
Hi Ben. This was my point when I first came to cc. It is also why we went through
total inability ideas, what walking in righteousness is or is not, is Christs victory a reality or not.

Now here is the thing. When I first started reading the bible as a teenager, I knew whatever
Paul was talking about, when I read the words it made sense, but as soon as I started thinking
myself, however I expressed it, I got it wrong.

Over the years I have begun to realise it is about dwelling with the Most High, spending time in
thought word and deed in Him. Do we become more Holy, or the Holiness within work through
our frailty?

Sin is just the tip of the iceburg of intensions and desires of the heart, defending hurts and pain
and loss, which the cross and love resolve.

But to capture the glimpse of healing within, and the support Christ gives is faith.
To communicate this to peoples souls is something only God can achieve.

It also appears that within church life it is hard for people to realise this as well.
But without this, how are we to show Christ within, victory over sin and death,
resurrection power.
 
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Have a nice trip see you next fall? IN JESUS amen
 
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I don't think that loving ones self is ingrained in people what you are talking about is self preservation which is primal ALL animals have it.

Loving ones self is a byproduct of self respect,self control and self awareness.

A perfect example is the Native Americans that live on reservations they have sime of the highest suicide rates because awareness of self and everything that goes with that(self respect,self control) is not taught,this is also why it's normal for them to steal everything in site.

Im not racist im Native American and we steal from each other it's perfectly normal athough it shouldn't be.
If you don't believe loving oneself is anything more than a good survival mechanism, why do we have to teach children to NOT be the way they just naturally start being, bonking others over a toy, shrieking if they don't get their way, etc? What, do we harm our children for punishing them for smacking someone over a toy? Is it just a good thing in them that we should allow to develop so that no one ever dares to take something from them? Is it just play like animals play to learn to fight for the prominence?

You begin your post by saying it is just self preservation, then end it by lamenting the fact that Native American parents don't do something about it. Which is it? If it weren't a bad thing, this self love, why try to teach children at all concerning it?

Nice to meet you by the way. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This isn't about excusing sin. This is about reckoning ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God. Shouldn't the answer to the question of whether or not a Christian can go sinless for a day be a definite yes? The apostle Paul said, "God forbid!" to continuing on in sin so that grace may abound. How is it then that people claim we sin daily when the epistles depict it as a choice? Are you saying that Christians, all of them, choose to sin every day and therefore are under sin's dominion?
I think this.

Paul spent his time worrying about others. and who he needed to serve. Not how many times he sinned in a day. Or if he could go a day or two without sinning.

You usually will not see Christians focused on God bringing sin issues up.. You see the pharisee type people bring sin issues up..

so to me it is really not even an issue.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, but please move on down to verse 24.

Galatians 5:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.



true,, But there is still a battle..A non believer has a dead spirit. there is no battle. so the battle pau spoke of earlier is real in a believer..

It must not be taken lightly.. Nor shoud we think we have defeated it, that is when we get into trouble